derthomas, to random German
@derthomas@metalhead.club avatar

Unseren täglichen @derStandard bashing Artikel gib uns heute.
Die Überschrift suggeriert ja, dass mit den etwas generell nicht stimmt. Die sind aber grundätzlich allen anderen technisch weit voraus.

Das Problem ist aber simpel:
der ist einfach unglaublich hässlich, und verkauft sich deswegen nicht.

https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000216135/mercedes-hat-offenbar-ein-problem-mit-seinen-e-autos?ref=mastodon

textbook, to Hydrogen German
@textbook@social.tchncs.de avatar

Pretty depressing to read all those anti- posts while realizing, their authors had either fallen in love with after mining had sky-rocketed or - even worse - do not have any clue what integrated sustainable chemical engineering is about outside the car-driver sand-box.

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
@Hypx@mastodon.social avatar

Reminder that BEVs do next to nothing to stop emissions. A lot of what we call environmental policy is really just greenwashing.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/05/global-carbon-emissions-fossil-fuels-record

hansbot,
@hansbot@mastodon.green avatar

@Hypx In reality, have several advantages over :
Energy efficient. EVs convert over 77% of the electrical energy from the grid to power at the wheels. Conventional gasoline vehicles only convert about 12%–30% of the energy stored in gasoline to power at the wheels.
Environmentally friendly. EVs emit no tailpipe pollutants.
Performance benefits. Electric motors provide quiet, smooth operation and stronger acceleration
Reduced energy dependence. Electricity is a domestic energy source.

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
@Hypx@mastodon.social avatar

The cost of batteries are still extremely high. Not nearly ready to replace ICE cars. In reality, hydrogen cars are the way to go.

https://jalopnik.com/rivian-loses-33k-on-every-truck-it-sells-report-1850899055

hansbot,
@hansbot@mastodon.green avatar

@Hypx Even in the USA, the prices of battery electric vehicles are coming down. vehicles? Not really. Not to mention the price of .
Also, keep their value much better.
I know you believe that this is going to change at some point in the future. But that doesn’t affect my buying decision today.
Please stop spreading fud on batteries. It’s a losing battle on the short to medium term anyway.

Setok, to TeslaMotors
@Setok@attractive.space avatar

cancels plans to build a dedicated factory. has been racing to cut costs after falling behind and China in the electric car market.

https://techcrunch.com/2023/09/29/vw-bails-on-its-plan-for-a-2-1b-ev-plant-in-germany/

Setok,
@Setok@attractive.space avatar
Hypx, to Hydrogen
@Hypx@mastodon.social avatar

There is simply not that much demand for BEVs. It is mostly a fad driven by subsidies and virtue signaling. It's a matter of when, not if something will give. VW and other car companies will have to cut production and move away from BEVs. Likely towards cars.

https://techxplore.com/news/2023-09-electric-shift-stalls-volkswagen.html

hansbot,
@hansbot@mastodon.green avatar

@Hypx And and get significantly more. Europe has hydrogen IPCEIs, the US has Incentives for Clean Hydrogen Production in its Inflation Reduction Act. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
Nevertheless, demand for massively exceeds demand for . So, what’s the real ‘fad’ here?

hansbot,
@hansbot@mastodon.green avatar

@Hypx Depends where you live. France only uses 12% fossil fuels for power generation, for example. Norway around 1%. China 65%. USA 60%. Germany 50%.
Whichever way you cut it, have a much lower CO2 footprint than throughout the world.
Still, electric trains and buses are better.
And working from home.

mackaj,
@mackaj@mastodon.me.uk avatar

@Hypx

are not lighter than equivalent though.

The kerb weight of a 2023 Toyota Mirai is 1900 kg.

A 2023 Tesla Model 3 Long Range RWD has a kerb weight of 1735 kg.

The is lighter !!!

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
@Hypx@mastodon.social avatar

Reminder that BEVs do next to nothing to replace fossil fuels. You need a true alternative, such as green hydrogen, to actually reduce fossil fuel use. Also, nuclear makes sense too.

https://www.constructionworld.in/energy-infrastructure/coal-and-mining/india-plans-40--more-coal-use-in-thermal-power/44631

hansbot,
@hansbot@mastodon.green avatar

@Hypx You’re wrong. While most gas-powered cars get between 20 and 30 mpg, electric cars can easily get around 100 MPGe on average. In reality, more and more electricity is generated from renewable sources.
And are widely available today.

tagesschau, to random German
@tagesschau@ard.social avatar

Was Auto-Aktien über die Lage der deutschen Hersteller aussagen

Die Position der deutschen Autobauer auf dem Weltmarkt ist längst nicht mehr so glänzend wie einst. In Sachen E-Mobilität hinken sie hinter den Rivalen aus China hinterher. Das zeigt sich an den Börsenkursen. Von Stefan Wolff.

➡️ https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/autokonzerne-aktienkurse-boersenwert-iaa-100.html?at_medium=mastodon&at_campaign=tagesschau.de

c6h12o6,

@tagesschau Wieso sollte hier sein? Die bauen brauchbare und bezahlbare , das kann ich doch nur begrüßen?

adamjcook, to random

I want to celebrate this more (as a huge proponent of US ), but I disagree with the ’s point-of-sale rebates for .

Advanced manufacturing credits for some domestic production? Sure.

Not POS vehicle rebates.

And I believe that the POS rebates will ultimately be far more than the CBO scoring suggests.

It was a missed opportunity to allocate those funds to broaden US manufacturing competency.

https://emoltzen.substack.com/p/a-year-into-the-ira-billions-are

elaine, to random

Wait until you hear about the environmental destruction that the cobalt mining needed to produce the batteries used in electric cars causes. Invest in hydrogen fuels and hydrogen cars.

kkarhan,
@kkarhan@mstdn.social avatar

@elaine +9001%

() are even worse than or !

Whereas - espechally - can provide a good drop-in replacement!

derthomas, to random German
@derthomas@metalhead.club avatar

"Das Auto wird elektrisch – egal, was die alten Maschinenbauingenieure lästern. Der Verbrenner ist ein Auslaufmodell."

https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000182105/so-ver228ndert-das-e-auto-europa?ref=mastodon

Ich kann nur nickend zustimmen.

itnewsbot, to cars
@itnewsbot@schleuss.online avatar

EV startup Lordstown Motors files for bankruptcy protection - Enlarge (credit: Bloomberg)

Lordstown Motors has filed for ban... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1950208

itnewsbot, to tesla
@itnewsbot@schleuss.online avatar

Leaked Tesla report shows Cybertruck had basic design flaws - Enlarge (credit: Jacqui VanLiew; Getty Images)

In November 201... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1946489

itnewsbot, to random
@itnewsbot@schleuss.online avatar

EV market share is growing because the vehicles keep getting better - Enlarge (credit: https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/recharging-st... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1946308

msquebanh, to random
@msquebanh@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

is the first stop for hundreds of new built in Vietnam .
More than 750 vehicles arrived in May 16; part of initial shipment of 1,879 vehicles exported to according to Port of Nanaimo press release. VinFast is a newly sale-certified with its production based in

https://www.saanichnews.com/business/vietnamese-made-electric-cars-arrive-at-port-of-nanaimo-for-sale-in-canada

cazabon,

@gatesvp @chris @msquebanh

I have no problem with encouraging the use of . As you say, people who never leave a dense urban area won't have range issues and probably have lots of fast chargers to choose from.

The problem is people in such areas, like our federal government, telling us that everyone will have to do with BEVs in 10 years or so.

[...]

itnewsbot, to random
@itnewsbot@schleuss.online avatar

Welcome to Normal: The town that holds the keys to Rivian’s future - Enlarge / Rivian pick-up trucks on the assembly line in Normal, Illinoi... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=1937410

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