RL_Dane, to random
@RL_Dane@fosstodon.org avatar

Hey peeps,

What older laptops work best with NetBSD?

I tried Net on my Thinkpad X200 about 18 months ago, and wasn't able to get S3 suspend working (it just rebooted, IIRC).

Is anyone else running NetBSD on a laptop?

Just curious, thinking about trying it out in the future, on something cheap and used. :)

netbsd,
@netbsd@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@RL_Dane x260 with an urtwn

RL_Dane,
@RL_Dane@fosstodon.org avatar

@netbsd

Cool, ordering one now! :D

pitrh, to FreeBSD
@pitrh@mastodon.social avatar

EuroBSDCon 2024 tutorials have been published, https://events.eurobsdcon.org/2024/schedule/
you can register at https://tickets.eurobsdcon.org/eurobsdcon/dublin/

And you can still submit talks! (go to https://events.eurobsdcon.org/)

Important upcoming dates:

2024-06-15: CfP closes (BSDCan closes on 2024-06-01)
2024-06-22: PC finalizes speaker selection
2024-06-31: Early Bird closes
2024-07-15: Schedule published
2024-09-19—22: EuroBSDCon 2024 in Dublin

alfonsosiciliano, to FreeBSD
@alfonsosiciliano@bsd.cafe avatar
borgbackup, to linux
@borgbackup@fosstodon.org avatar

borgbackup 1.4.0rc1 (release candidate 1) was just released!

maybe the last chance to give it some testing before the 1.4.0 stable release, so please check it out and give feedback via github.

https://github.com/borgbackup/borg/releases/tag/1.4.0rc1

#borgbackup #linux #freebsd #openbsd #netbsd #openindiana #macOS

drewdevault, to random
@drewdevault@fosstodon.org avatar

Thanks to Mallory Adams, now supports ! 🎉

SDF, to random
@SDF@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

NetBSD 10 has arrived at SDF for the 7th iteration of our primary fileserver.

netbsd,
@netbsd@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@al1r4d @SDF The same BIOS bootloader is used on 32-bit and 64-bit x86, which is why it just says NetBSD/x86. We usually call the 64-bit variant amd64, since AMD invented it.

The core part of the BIOS bootloader has to be written in 16-bit assembler code, so it's rather irrelevant whether it's running on a 32-bit or 64-bit machine.

netbsd,
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@nirokato @SDF I suspect that I/O operations will be less CPU intensive.

jspath55, to random
@jspath55@chaos.social avatar

Boot device failure. Should install .

jspath55, (edited )
@jspath55@chaos.social avatar

@joshourisman Exprss card shim skimmer?

jspath55,
@jspath55@chaos.social avatar

Support line person said they're doing a software upgrade. I politely didn't ask "well how long will that take?"

jutty, to FreeBSD
@jutty@bsd.cafe avatar

Alas, I have to consider some other hardware that is more BSD friendly than what I currently have for my main laptop. Wifi worked great on NetBSD, whereas it was flaky on FreeBSD, but the audio input was the flaky one.

A ThinkPad, maybe? I'll gladly accept hardware recommendations for BSD-friendly models from at least a decade ago (read: cheap).

Current status: Deciding between Void and Alpine for the next episode of The Main Machine Trials®

#BSD #NetBSD #FreeBSD #hardware #VoidLinux #AlpineLinux

netbsd,
@netbsd@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@greggyb @jutty Sadly most from Lenovo have BIOS whitelists by default, forbidding you from changing the card, though there's the option of getting an X230 with Coreboot pre-installed from various vendors.

I've been using an X260 for the past years, though I use an USB WiFi device (urtwn) or ethernet for reliability.

greggyb,
@greggyb@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@netbsd @jutty Yeah, that is a pretty lame part about Lenovo machines. I loved my x260 and its dual batteries, but I've recently moved to a #FrameworkLaptop and I couldn't be happier.

ParadeGrotesque, (edited ) to random
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/penkesu ... When?

Penkesu Computer - A Homebrew Retro-style Handheld PC | penkesu
https://penkesu.computer/

(OK OK, that's probably more NetBSD arm64 unless I am mistaken) :netbsd:

This is from: https://kbin.social/m/technology@slrpnk.net/t/1044402

pitrh, to Ottawa
@pitrh@mastodon.social avatar

BSDCan - North America's Largest BSD Conference - is in less than two weeks!

Go to https://www.bsdcan.org/2024/, check out the schedule https://www.bsdcan.org/2024/schedule/ and register at https://www.bsdcan.org/2024/registration.php

jutty, to firefox
@jutty@bsd.cafe avatar

After a search in the NetBSD packages for lightweight web browsers, the winners are: vimb, dillo, luakit and netsurf.

Dillo's new release 3.1.0 still hasn't landed, so no HTTPS there. Luakit is very neat, extremely lightweight, minimal, has vim-like bindings and would be perfect if it weren't for the constant white flashing between each pageload when using a custom, darker CSS. NetSurf is also quite neat, with tab support for heavier sessions.

The winner for me is vimb, which although leaving tabs to the window manager, has vim-like bindings, is pretty minimal and does not cause flashing when switching between pages on a custom darker CSS setting.

Honor mention to Arctic Fox, a Pale Moon clone that hits peak nostalgia with the pre-omnibar Firefox look. No theming, not as lightweight, but going strong at 29.5k commits since 2018.

netbsd,
@netbsd@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@jutty Arcticfox is notable for being one of the few "heavy" browser engines that officially supports NetBSD upstream.

kubikpixel, to gentoo
@kubikpixel@chaos.social avatar

Gentoo and NetBSD ban 'AI' code, but Debian doesn't – yet

The problem isn't just that LLM-bot generated code is bad – it's where it came from.

🐧 https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/18/distros_ai_code/


#gentoo #netbsd #debian #ai #llm #LLMs #bsd #linux #opensource #oss #bot #it

kubikpixel,
@kubikpixel@chaos.social avatar

🧵 …although I tend to favour OpenBSD and Linux for personal reasons, I find this decision OK. Certain open source projects lack clear, reasoned positions and decisions.

»NetBSD’s New Policy – No Place for AI-Created Code:
NetBSD bans AI-generated code to preserve clear copyright and meet licensing goals.«

🚩 https://linuxiac.com/netbsd-new-policy-prohibits-usage-of-ai-code/


jbzfn, to ChatGPT
@jbzfn@mastodon.social avatar

🤖 NetBSD’s New Policy: No Place for AI-Created Code
@linuxiac

“New development policy: code generated by a large language model or similar technology (e.g. ChatGPT, GitHub Copilot) is presumed to be tainted (i.e. of unclear copyright, not fitting NetBSD’s licensing goals) and cannot be committed to NetBSD.”

https://linuxiac.com/netbsd-new-policy-prohibits-usage-of-ai-code

etchedpixels, to gentoo
@etchedpixels@mastodon.social avatar

Nice to see and catching up with which has had a

"Microsoft co-pilot laundered code is not accepted in this project"

for a long time. Possibly I need to generalize the rule these days.

fabio, to ai
@fabio@manganiello.social avatar

joins the ranks of software projects that ban generated code.

How they are going to enforce such ban is an obvious question lingering in the air.

Does it include only cases like “hey write a suite of unit tests for this class”? Or also cases where simply autocompletes a for loop while I’m typing it?

In the latter case, how would a hypothetical reviewer enforce the ban? How would the for loop autocompleted by Copilot, or the boilerplate population of hashmap values, look any different than one I would write myself?

And if the issue is with any code that isn’t directly written by a human, then why stop at modern AI generation? Why not include LINTers and traditional IDE autocomplete features?

I have no doubt that the projects that are announcing these no-AI policies have good intentions, but it’s probably time for all of us to have an honest talk.

Code completion isn’t a clear cut binary feature. It’s a big spectrum that goes from the old exuberant ctags to ChatGPT writing whole classes.

And code completion shouldn’t be banned. If it makes a developer more productive, and if the developer understands the code that is being completed, then such bans are akin to a “drivers should only use cars with manual transmission because we feel that it’s more manly”. It’s a conservative and elitist act of shunning out new productive tools because we can’t understand them and regulate them properly.

And more people need to call out the bluff: in cases where the AI only completes a few lines of code, its basically impossible to tell if that snippet was written by a human or an AI assistant.

https://tech.slashdot.org/story/24/05/17/007240/netbsd-bans-ai-generated-code?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed

netbsd,
@netbsd@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@fabio It is enforced by legal contract that every committer is required to sign.

BSD projects have historically had very strict rules on the copyright of submissions for very good reasons - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX_System_Laboratories%2C_Inc._v._Berkeley_Software_Design%2C_Inc.

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