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BJHanssen, to world in Sweden charges Greta Thunberg for blockading oil port
@BJHanssen@lemmy.world avatar

The purpose and function of the police and the courts is the protection of capital from the people. Some cases illustrate this more clearly than others. This is one of them.

Aceticon,

Turns out that in their demands on Sweden to change the way they apply the law when it comes to PKK demonstations, what Turkey is doing wrong is making it a quid pro quo for approving NATO membership rather than just helping the Swedish upper classes get richer.

Clearly freedom of speech CAN be traded in Sweden, as long as its for cold hard cash.

thoughtorgan,

I could demonstrate to you That every single bank robbery That in every single case practically The cost of the police was more than The actual money that the robbers took from the bank Does that mean, 'Oh, you see There’s really no economic interest involved, then They’re not protecting the banks The police are just doing this ‘cause they’re on a A power trip or they’re macho, or they’re control freaks That’s why they do it’ No, of course, it’s an economic… Of course, they’re defending the banks Of course, because if they didn’t stop that bank robbery Regardless of the cost, this could jeopardize The entire banking system You see, there are people who believe That the function of the police Is to fight crime, and that’s not true The function of the police is social control And protection of property…

Heastes,

Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bmaoNLSHx_w

esheyw,

Let’s make some bacon.

perviouslyiner, to politics in Trump says he expects indictment in election probe

923 days, from doing a crime on live TV, to the police showing up.

ripcord,
ripcord avatar

...They haven't even shown up yet.

Chainweasel,

See, the conservatives are absolutely right, Trump is being treated unfairly! If you or I had done that we would have been laying bloody on a cell floor after “tripping” and “falling” several times the very same day it happened. The fact that he gets to live in a mansion in palm beach until proven guilty proves without a doubt that he isn’t being treated the same way as the rest of us, which would be fair.

aegisgfx877,
aegisgfx877 avatar

Well thats how privilege woks in the US, if you got the money and the right color skin you can avoid charges for literally any crime for an indefinite period. Even these upcoming trials, Im pretty sure trump will be able to push them back and avoid them till 5 or more years go by, then he'll be way to old to put into jail or some insane right wing president will pardon him for all of it, or some insane fake judge that he appointed will drop all the charges... etc, etc, etc

I still doubt he will ever do any real jail time for all these crimes. If he does it will be a miracle.

BigMcLargeHuge,

@aegisgfx877 @Pips @perviouslyiner

Sadly, I agree 100%.

The best thing that could happen to Trump is for his self-entitled, piece of shit ass, to get hit by a meteor.

overzeetop, to news in Human remains thought to be found in Titan sub debris
@overzeetop@lemmy.world avatar

What they’ve found is incredibly detailed. For example, it was determined that Stockton Rush had a fairly serious case of dandruff during the trip. .
.
.
.

They found his Head & Shoulders on the sea floor.

Wreck94,

Another finding on Stockton Rush, it was determined he had blue eyes.

When the sub imploded, one blew this way and the other blew that way!

HotDogFingies,
HotDogFingies avatar

That's an old one.

assclapcalamity,

dreamy blue eyes

Tigbitties,
Tigbitties avatar

Nice

kaboomski,
kaboomski avatar

Ba dum tss

alliswell33, to world in Sweden charges Greta Thunberg for blockading oil port

“We blocked the port in order to stop the use of fossil fuels that are killing innocent people,” she said. “The real crimes continue inside the gate of the port. We are not going to sit and wait while the fossil fuel industry takes our dreams away from us.” Asked if she’s worried about the consequences of the trial, she replied: “I personally am more worried about the horrible harm the fossil fuel industry is doing to the world.” “I’m not going to stop while they are threatening the planet.”

Much of the oil and gas industry says that continued production is necessary in order to meet global energy demands. Cutting oil and gas production would be “dangerous and irresponsible”, the head of energy company Shell told BBC News. The International Energy Agency has said that there can be no new investments in oil, gas and coal now if governments are serious about the climate crisis. UN chief António Guterres recently said investment in new oil and gas production was “economic and moral madness”. This week the world experienced its hottest day on record on Tuesday, topping 17C for the first time.

Our world burns and people suffer so that oil companies can turn a profit. The few are making decisions that will have disasterous effects on the many in the not too distant future.

SpaceToast,

As long as people are buying gas for their cars and flying planes around the world, oil companies will need to exist.

It’s so strange to me how people will protest oil companies, then go fill up their tank at the gas station. Or fly across the globe for their vacations.

scaryboat,
@scaryboat@lemmy.world avatar

For most Americans, there is no alternative for a car. The tram lines we used 60 years ago were bought and torn up by car manufacturers. We need grocery stores within walking distance, and transit lines to useful places before people will give up their cars.

torres,
@torres@lemmy.world avatar

One relatively recent and quite expensive alternative would be electric cars. But I don’t really see that as a real, permanent solution, for that you would need a good railway/tram system, which sadly isn’t all that common all around the world

zeppo,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

I have grocery stores within walking distance, but even taking a dolly it’s a hell of a lot of work carrying back a bunch of groceries. Plus the way the roads are constructed I risk my life every time I cross the street. Young and fit people should walk to the store but it’s not practical for everyone.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Maybe not everyone, but that’s pretty much the only way it’s done for most denizens of New York City, young and old.

zeppo,
@zeppo@lemmy.world avatar

That makes sense. I feel like probably NYC is constructed better in terms of walkability and public transportation. I live in semi-suburban Denver. There are 7-8 small grocery stores and 2 wholesale food warehouses about a mile from my house, primarily Asian and Central American markets, which is a lot, so it’s feasible for me to walk. 3-4 liquor stores, a couple weed shops and a few convenience stores. For many other areas of the city it wouldn’t be as reasonable to live without a car, though probably one could take the bus or light rail. The problem is just walking to a bus stop is about half a mile so it wouldn’t help that much. I could use an Uber or Lyft, but it would be expensive unless I just went to the store once every 2 weeks.

I’m reasonably fit, in my 40s, but things like “I’ll carry back 4 12 packs of Diet Pepsi from the store for my girlfriend” leaves me feeling pretty worn out. Taking a dolly or cart helps but I’m the only person around here I ever see doing that… not that I mind. I suppose I could do grocery delivery.

jandar_fett,

Grocery delivery is a good stop gap, but you’d need all the various grocery stores to be on board. Municipal and state governments could literally subsidize the costs of maintenance and fueling delivery vehicles to incentivize this method, and even offer rebates for customers who participate, but nah that’s all too hard and will eat at the bottom line so let the world burn I guess.

MercuryUprising,

“You protest society, AND YET YOU LIVE IN A SOCIETY?”

SpaceToast,

“I want to save the planet, but I’d rather go on vacation.”

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Asked if she’s worried about the consequences of the trial, she replied: “I personally am more worried about the horrible harm the fossil fuel industry is doing to the world.” “I’m not going to stop while they are threatening the planet.”

This. This is activism. I’m not brave enough to face a justice system hostile to my existence like she does, so I’m glad she’s there to do it.

vzq,

Also, great job staying on message. Press wrangling is a chore, but it’s so important to get your story out.

MercuryUprising,

Cue the millions of bootlickers who will claim “she’s been coached into this by her parents and Soros!”

Bleach7297,
@Bleach7297@lemmy.ca avatar

Right? Really, tho. I sincerely hope she was coached by somebody and not left in the dark to figure out how to be a figurehead of a movement and lightning rod for abuse all on her own. That’d be kinda fucked up.

MercuryUprising,

She’s been literally protesting for eco solutions since she was like 12 or something. While some kids were busy jerking off to Harry Potter, she found her outlet in becoming an activist and leading one of the largest movements in climate change protests, becoming an inspiration millions of children just like her. I’ve seen the Friday walk-out protests in Europe, and the attendance was always huge and the people involved were very passionate about the cause.

I know people have a hard time understanding that, but that’s why they jerk off to Harry Potter instead. It’s all they got.

Rapidcreek, to news in Donald Trump fraud trial live updates: Former president takes the stand - BBC News

Well, we finally had a courtroom laugh moment. Prosecutor asked Trump about his involvement in financials from end of 2021. Trump said his focus at that time was on China and Russia and “keeping our country safe.” Courtroom laughed. Note: Trump wasn’t president in 2021.

scytale,

I really want to see his reaction to the courtroom laughing at him. I think this is the first time he is experiencing direct humiliation.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar
PugJesus,
PugJesus avatar

The UN also laughed at his face.

AmberPrince,
AmberPrince avatar

That was my favorite part of his presidency.

Sabata11792,
Sabata11792 avatar

I liked the flash cards he found to be very effective.

TropicalDingdong,

I’m somewhat convinced that this moment was when he decided to run for President.

girlfreddy,
@girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

Trump’s revenge moment.

Tedesche,

Indeed. And of all the shit he’s done, I think this is what pisses me off most: it worked.

TropicalDingdong,

When Walter became Heisenberg

jballs,
@jballs@sh.itjust.works avatar

I’m sure that’s the case. “We all know about your credentials and breadth of experience.” And the crowd laughs already, before he even gets to the punchline of firing Gary Busey. Dude’s been a complete joke for decades.

aniki,

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  • corsicanguppy,

    Only … ev’ry time I see it. (Paraphrased from memento)

    It’s like a disclaimer in a TV commercial or a warning on a clothes iron (“do not use like telephone”): it’s required to keep us all safer.

    Sir_Kevin,
    @Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Man I miss Obama! I can’t think of another president that was more human.

    Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
    Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

    He's the only president in my lifetime who could actually land a joke

    Deceptichum,
    Deceptichum avatar

    Haha yeah I loved how he caused the deaths of so many innocent people through the largest growth in drone strikes.

    Truely he seems so genuine, I’d love to sit down for a beer with him and Bush and than proceeded to kill myself for being a fucking idiot and having any favourable view on these scum.

    indepndnt,

    What’s more human than murder?

    corsicanguppy,

    and than proceeded to

    Stay in school, kids.

    zzzz,

    People like him cannot experience humiliation.

    xkforce,

    Im pretty sure if we took his wealth and connections away so that hed have to gasp get a normal job to survive hed be very humiliated.

    protist,

    He would never admit feeling humiliated, but I’d wager his entire personality is shaped around covering for his profound internalized shame and insecurity

    Uranium3006,
    Uranium3006 avatar

    He's a massive narcissist. Covering for profound internalized shame and insecurity is the psychological profile of a narcissist

    protist,

    Yes

    agent_flounder,
    @agent_flounder@lemmy.world avatar

    Maybe only if it somehow penetrates their narcissistic mental shields. Then humiliation immediately turns to rage.

    carl_dungeon,

    Nah, I don’t think that’s true. The dude is insecure as fuck, he kinda laughs stuff off, but inside he’s fucking frothing at the mouth and then unleashes it on twitter. In response, he’ll just double down with his bullshit and play it off, but in private, he writes people down on his “list”.

    AmberPrince,
    AmberPrince avatar

    Guarantee he thinks everyone laughed because he had such a great response to the question it made the prosecution look dumb.

    metallic_substance,

    …and by extension, his cultists will believe this too

    CileTheSane,
    @CileTheSane@lemmy.ca avatar

    He had the entire UN laugh at him.

    INHALE_VEGETABLES,

    Yeah where the hell are the clips I thought this one was televised… or allowed cameras?

    Neato,
    Neato avatar

    Is this not perjury?

    I was <blank> then.
    No you weren't.
    No I wasn't.

    Are you allowed to blatantly lie and just walk it back when called out?

    girlfreddy,
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    NAL but I think if Trump had argued he was still the President during that time period instead of admitting he wasn’t, then it would have been perjury.

    Bytemeister,

    Perjury is more than just saying something factually wrong on the stand. Republicans spent years talking about how getting trump in a courtroom was a perjury trap because he would make a small mistake like recall the January 12 of 2011 was a Saturday and then they prosecution would be like, “no it wasn’t and now you go to jail because we hate America”. In reality, perjury basically takes someone knowingly and intentionally entering testimony that is false. Simply forgetting that he wasn’t president at the time would not qualify.

    Aurenkin, to worldnews in The Australian climate protesters cast as extremists

    I’m so glad we have all these new anti terrorism powers to stop all the terrorists like checks notes the ones who don’t want us all to burn and die for the sake of temporary corporate profits. Wait that doesn’t sound right, oh well at least we’re also using the against other terrorists like checks notes again YouTubers exposing government corruption… wait no what about checks notes whistleblowers exposing government corruption… for fucks sake there must be better examples… frantically checks notes …the lawyers of whistleblowers exposing corruption… Fucking hell I give up this is totally fucked

    billytheid,

    And Australians, being the spiteful stupid cunts we are, lap it up. This country will be better off when the Chinese take over.

    Ballistic86, to politics in The 'QAnon Shaman' and other Capitol rioters who regret pleading guilty

    During their hearing “I am a changed person. I would never do something like this again”

    A year later “I don’t regret what I did, I would do it again, we did nothing wrong, Trump 2024”

    reddig33,

    Sounds like perjury.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Apparently not, since none of them are being charged with it. I don’t know how the law is supposed to work, but that doesn’t seem right.

    evatronic,

    Perjury requires that you knowingly lie. And because our justice system demands evidence of guilt and presumes innocence without that evidence, to be convicted of perjury, the prosecution has to prove that the individual knew they were lying, and lied anyway.

    That’s relatively easy to do when the subject of a lie is some material fact like, say, the defendant says, “I was wearing a blue shirt” and there is photographic evidence of the defendant wearing a green shirt, or something. It’s a lot harder with the thing in question is what the defendant was thinking.

    Watch this fictional defense:

    Prosecution: “You lied when you said you would never do something like that again.”

    Shaman: “I said that yes.”

    Prosecution: “Caught you!”

    Shaman: “In the year since, I have changed my mind. At the time, I was telling the truth as I saw it.”

    Judge: “Tap tap tap, case dismissed. I lost my judge hammer.”

    keeb420,

    i hate the fact so many of these asshats got a slap on the wrist for what they did. it was obvious from 2000 miles away they were lying their ass off.

    332, (edited ) to world in Turkey leader Erdogan will back Sweden joining Nato - Stoltenberg
    @332@lemmy.world avatar

    You can’t fool us Erdogan, we’ve seen this move before.

    By tomorrow he’ll have new demands. He’ll demand Sweden form a space agency and plant the Turkish flag on the moon or something like that, mark my words.

    Deestan,

    Yes yes I signed it just need to find my stamps to put it in the mail. Just one more thing it is very important please can you arrange to hold the Eurovision in Ankara next year instead?

    stoly, to news in Jewish students sue Harvard over 'rampant' anti-semitism

    I’ll reserve judgement until more information comes out, but this really strikes me as a group of lawyers and agitators latching on to the zeitgeist.

    givesomefucks,

    Yeah, OPs summary says they’re doing it to multiple schools.

    If their claims are true, then yeah, Harvard (and the other schools) should be held accountable.

    But we’ll probably never know if a settlement happens.

    stoly,

    That’s my assumption–it’s basically legal extortion.

    I will say that I believe that there is antisemitism in most places because there are humans in most places. Whatever happens at Harvard is probably not exceptional or notable in any way.

    Omegamanthethird,
    @Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world avatar

    Universities encourage critical thinking. For a lot of young adults, it’s the first time being exposed to a lot of new ideas in their infancy. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was higher simply because they are processing new concepts and sometimes come to unfortunate conclusions.

    stoly,

    Critical thinking doesn’t make people racist, though. I work at a university and have seen many people be edgy. Some do it for effect because they are, frankly, very immature and like that attention. Most who are actually racist were brought up that way or went down the rabbit hole sometime in high school.

    admiralteal,

    And it doesn't help that, as of late, the term "antisemite" is aggressively being expanded to include those who show any criticism whatsoever of the current Bibi administration.

    It's crazy to me. On October 6th, 2023, the Bibi administration was largely viewed as a far right, antidemocratic, religiously extreme collection of intensely corrupt lunatics. On October 7th, so many otherwise totally-reasonable people just forgot how they felt the day before.

    themeatbridge,

    That’s how people respond to terrorist attacks. Look at what America did after 9/11, rallying behind Giuliani and Bush to attack Iraq because… Then you had bigots attacking Sikhs on the streets, Freedom Fries because France opposed indiscriminate bombing, and just about the most ridiculous performative security measures for people wanting to travel in a plane.

    History will remember. We will look back on this time as a dark period of bigotry, violence, oppression, and genocide.

    stoly,

    It’s true. And we didn’t fix anything, we just made travel so much more miserable and put in laws to let the government spy on people. As we saw with both 9/11 and Oct 6, high surveillance isn’t the answer. We need to move beyond security theater and retribution.

    themeatbridge,

    I forgot about the spying! That’s another good example, further emphasized by the fact that I forgot about it entirely.

    stoly,

    It took 20 years for the GOP to realize that the PATRIOT Act was used mostly against them and not brown people lol.

    spider,

    Freedom Fries because France opposed indiscriminate bombing

    Speaking of which, he was apparently a slow learner.

    thisorthatorwhatever,

    Your last paragraph can describe almost any time period in human history.

    stoly,

    I have also found that some people become very angry when you point out that Palestinians and Arabs in general are actually Semites. There were actually a whole lot of Semitic groups in history.

    gedaliyah,
    @gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

    Antisemitism has nothing to do with whether or not someone is of an ethnicity related to the Semitic language group. My guess would be that you are upsetting people not by pointing out that Palestinians are Semites, but by incorrectly claiming that antisemitism is in any way connected to the - very real - discrimination against and hatred of Palestinians and Arabs.

    ArtieShaw,
    ArtieShaw avatar

    Thank you.

    I don't have the patience or tact to offer thoughtful and gentle explanations (as you did) when it's "pointed out" that many people from the region could be considered Semitic.

    It's very much the sort of argument my clever nephew might make. He's a smart kid, but he hasn't gotten to the point where he can understand that a clever fact is not necessarily in any way relevant to a complex problem. And certainly not a devastating argument that can simply stop everyone in their mad mutual desire for destruction.

    "Well, shit. We were all Semites the whole time????"

    In any case, thanks.

    chitak166,

    to include those who show any criticism whatsoever of the current Bibi administration.

    I’m not sure why you’re specifically mentioning one man’s administration.

    The main conflation of anti-Semitism has been with anti-Zionism, which dates back far before Bibi came into power.

    SeaJ,

    They do not really give any details at all about the claims so it is kind of hard to have any sort of opinion on it.

    gedaliyah,
    @gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

    The entire complaint is linked in the third paragraph. It goes into some detail about specific incidents of harassment of Jewish students and some of the ways that the university is systemically hostile to Jewish students, particularly those who express support for Israel, which, “is a crucial component of Kestenbaum’s and SAA members’ Jewish identities, and many of them are descendants of survivors of the Nazis, with family and friends in Israel.”

    admiralteal,

    Not to mention that Harvard will likely settle just to avoid going through discovery simply because they know there is an entire political movement looking for ANY excuse to go for blood with them.

    Sumpfkraut,

    With the information about the organzied harassment campaign that is openly available, I feel confident in judging that group as agitators and lawyers that terrorize human rights advocates.

    lolcatnip,

    It’s really quite sad that the Israel simps have abused the idea of antisemitism to the point that when I see accusations of antisemitism, I genuinely have no idea if they’re taking about serious bigotry or if they’re talking about people saying it’s bad to murder civilians.

    Altofaltception,

    The picture that the BBC included in the article seems like it may be the latter.

    gedaliyah,
    @gedaliyah@lemmy.world avatar

    No need to speculate; the allegations are linked in the article:

    Harvard students and faculty harass, discriminate, and assault Jewish students—including on October 18, when a mob of protesters attacked a Jewish student, and the next day, when a mob trapped a group of Jewish students in a study room

    Subjected to intense anti-Jewish vitriol, including from their own professors and Harvard administrators, Kestenbaum and other Jewish students, including SAA members, have been deprived of the ability and opportunity to fully participate in Harvard’s educational and other programs and have been placed at severe emotional and physical risk.

    Moreover, over the past ten years, Harvard has instituted admissions policies that have severely reduced—by as much as sixty percent—the number of Jewish students, an enormous decline that evinces an intentional effort, much like Harvard’s quotas one hundred years ago, to exclude Jews.

    qdJzXuisAndVQb2,

    Surely a drop in Jewish students would be a normalization of their previously tremendous over-representation in the Ivy league?

    stevehobbes,

    Now this is definitely antisemitism.

    qdJzXuisAndVQb2,

    Can you pinpoint why? I don’t agree, but I do believe the statistics show there is overrepresentation. Do you not agree?

    lennybird,
    @lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

    That’s still speculative; for it’s merely one side making allegations without demonstrating substantive evidence in front of a court.

    chitak166,

    when a mob of protesters attacked a Jewish student, and the next day, when a mob trapped a group of Jewish students in a study room

    The important part here seems to be left out: did Harvard punish the students responsible for this? I find it hard to believe that they got away with this if they actually did it and we know who they are.

    ferralcat,

    He showed up at a pro Palestinian protest to try and dox the students there. They asked him to leave. He ignored them and was then escorted out. People did not say nice things to him.

    I’m not sure there was a lot to punish.

    ferralcat,

    I start d (slowly) reading this and… Is this how legal briefs are written? It seems like a reddit blog post. For instance in the examples section they write “SJp … is one of the most vitriolic antisemitic networks on college campuses. SJP was founded by the chairman of American Muslims for Palestine (“AMP”), the leadership of which overlaps with the leadership of organizations that have been shut down by federal authorities, whose assets were frozen by the U.S. Treasury Department, or that were found liable in civil actions for providing material support to Hamas. SJP receives funding and training from AMP as well as from universities. SJP and its affiliates sponsor antisemitic events, host antisemitic speakers…” All of which I’m reading expecting a citation somewhere… Anywhere. It seems like easily verifiable stuff. But there is none. Is this how legal briefs are written?

    Cocodapuf,

    Being anti Israel is just not the same as being antisemitic. I’m not sure why that is such a hard thing for people to understand. Israel and Judaism are different things.

    goferking0,

    It’s because it makes it so much harder to be critical of Isreal if they can continue having anything labeled as antisemitic.

    Chariotwheel, to world in BBC journalists held at gunpoint by Israeli police

    They were dragged from the vehicle - marked "TV" in red tape - searched and pushed against a wall.

    Mr Tutunji and Mr Abudiab said they identified themselves as BBC journalists and showed police their press ID cards.

    While attempting to film the incident, Mr Tutunji said his phone was thrown on the ground and he was struck on the neck.

    Fuck, and here I thought "okay, maybe a honest mistake, tensions are running high". But nope, pure malice.

    stopthatgirl7, to worldnews in Elon Musk says X will fund legal bills if users treated unfairly by bosses
    stopthatgirl7 avatar

    He wanted a headline, and he got it.

    I honestly rolled my eyes the second I saw this. Dude is getting tiresome.

    stempo,

    Beyond sick of this clown

    stopthatgirl7,
    stopthatgirl7 avatar

    Dude won’t even pay rent or severance, and he expects us to believe he’ll pay the legal fees for other folks? Ok sure bro 🙄

    jordanlund, to worldnews in Donald Trump indictment: Ex-president charged with bid to overturn 2020 election

    This seemed to be popular information when I posted it (ahem) “elsewhere”. Thought it might be welcome to have here.

    If you’re trying to keep track of where we’re at in the Trump prosecutions:

    Updated 8/1/2023

    Washington, D.C. - 4 felonies, January 6th Election Interference
    Investigation
    Indictment <- You Are Here
    Arrest
    Trial
    Conviction
    Sentencing

    Georgia - Election Interference
    Investigation <- You Are Here
    2 new grand juries impaneled 7/11/2023.
    Indictment - July 11th to September 1st.
    (Grand Jury work expected July 31 to Aug. 18)
    Arrest
    Trial
    Conviction
    Sentencing

    New York State - 34 felonies, Stormy Daniels Payoff
    Investigation
    Indictment
    Arrest <- You Are Here
    Trial - March 25th, 2024
    Conviction
    Sentencing

    Florida - 40 felonies, Federal documents charges
    Investigation
    Indictment
    Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
    3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
    Arrest <- You Are Here
    Trial - May 20, 2024
    Conviction
    Sentencing

    Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, have not been announced.

    The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a crimimal one.

    McrRed,

    Thank you. You’re doing the good lord’s work @jordan

    Chetzemoka, (edited ) to worldnews in Kevin Spacey cleared over all sexual assault charges
    Chetzemoka avatar

    WOW the number of people in this thread immediately jumping to the accusers being "false" and deserving jail. Because no actual sexual predator ever got away with it in court...

    (Sex crimes are extraordinarily difficult to prove beyond a reasonable doubt because the actions are taken in private without a lot of physical evidence. Which sexual predators rely on to get away with their crimes, by the way.)

    Perhaps we should review the sheer volume of young men from all over the US & UK reporting that Spacey was at best inappropriate with them. One of the youngest being 14 years old:

    https://people.com/tv/kevin-spacey-controversy-timeline/

    And just in case some of us need a refresher course, the rate of false rape accusations is low:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21164210/

    And the rate of sexual assault is high:

    https://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/sexualviolence/fastfact.html

    soft_frog,

    Yeah this whole thing isn't simple. Even if he's cleared of charges, these allegations are old and that makes them hard to prove or disprove.

    Further, the quantity is concerning. Maybe he's just prolifically sexual but my gut can't really get passed how many accusations there are over such a long span of time. Even if innocent, still creepy is my opinion.

    Givesomefucks,

    In general, any multimillionaire that gets off of a serious charge doesn't mean they're innocent.

    It just another example of having ridiculous amounts of money in our legal system means it's really hard to be hel accountable.

    Hell, trump got off of beating and raping his wife, because of an old ass New York law that said a husband can't rape his wife under any circumstance.

    shalafi,

    Also, being a multimillionaire puts a target on your back. I’ll never forget the story about a man who already had a couple of million winning a huge lottery and how lawsuits, among other ever worse things, destroyed his life.

    Duamerthrax,

    Because Ari Behn was just a clout chaser looking for a quick buck.

    masquenox,

    In general, any multimillionaire that gets off of a serious charge doesn’t mean they’re innocent.

    Don’t forget the flip-side of that - the prisons are full of poor people who do not deserve to be there. It’s almost as if the system was designed to be like this…

    roguetrick,

    the quantity is concerning

    And also not admissible in a criminal court. That's part of the problem. If you look at the big picture, it's obvious he did it, but it's not as easy to prove it in criminal court.

    Shdwdrgn,

    Is it really obvious that he did something, or is it obvious that he’s another gay man being attacked for daring to publicly admit that he’s gay? Sure there’s a lot of allegations, but many of them were dropped by the accusers, and as the article points out there was a huge rush of “me too” allegations brought out against many people at the same time because it was the trending get-rich-quick scheme. Even in Spacey’s case, why did most of these allegations not come out until he admitted he was gay?

    IMHO if Spacey is actually guilty of these crimes, he’s going to be blackballed by all the studios and won’t ever be seen on the screen again. Although the courts didn’t prove him guilty, the studios know who is doing what, and in today’s market any further allegations will cost them money.

    aaaa,

    Even in Spacey’s case, why did most of these allegations not come out until he admitted he was gay?

    I think it went the other way around, didn’t it? At least the first accusations came out, and he used the occasion to say “I didn’t do that! But now that I’m talking about this stuff, by the way I’m gay.”

    It wasn’t a great look, because it came across that he tried to deflect the accusations by coming out as gay.

    Shdwdrgn,

    True enough, and he caught hell for the timing of that announcement. There’s also the issue of there just being such a different culture of what’s “acceptable” in Hollywood. I think it’s great that it finally came to light and those activities were at least tempered somewhat, but I also remember reading a lot of claims a decade ago and just thinking to myself that this is something you’re claiming ‘everyone’ in Hollywood is doing, but you chose to specifically target this one actor? The “me too” train was real, and a lot of people were going after big name actors, so I got burnt out on the whole thing and just stopped paying any attention to it.

    soft_frog,

    Even if it were all legally fine, something is wrong if that many people are coming forward.

    Zippy,

    Yet suggest Pee-wee Herman is creepy and you get downvoted. Even though without question he was caught with illegal material.

    Internetexplorer,

    So you think he’s guilty, because there’s no evidence proving he is?

    Insanity.

    steakmeout,

    Your posts are shit. Go back to Reddit. Its dense like you.

    Duamerthrax,

    Three people died after his “Kill Them With Kindness” youtube video.

    Chetzemoka,
    Chetzemoka avatar

    I refuse to believe you're actually this stupid. There's a universe of difference between "it didn't happen" and "it couldn't be proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court" and you know there is.

    Unless you really think OJ didn't murder his wife either

    capt_deez_nuts,

    I refuse to believe you’re actually this stupid. You’re throwing these statements as if you have first hand experience of knowing these things happened. Like were you there in person when Spacey was assaulting these people or were you a witness when OJ killed his wife? You don’t wanna believe the witnesses, you don’t wanna believe the jury, you don’t don’t wanna believe in the legal systems (cops/courts and whatever have you). But you believe in some people accusing someone of something. EVEN if they cleared themselves of these accusations.

    Are you actually this ignorant to not know that all people are all not down to earth and sometimes people can and do crazy shit. Why do you think there’s zero percent chance that these people were bad, but Kevin Spacey is 100 percent bad without a shadow of a doubt for seemingly just being rich?

    Chetzemoka,
    Chetzemoka avatar
    Shardikprime,

    It is not, that’s his whole point. What is even happening here are you not capable of reading

    FaceDeer,
    FaceDeer avatar

    Indeed. In a thread a couple of days back on a different (though related) subject I was accused of being a rape apologist because I was insistent on the presumption of innocence and the beyond-reasonable-doubt standards that need to be overcome when accusations like this are slung. But it works the same in the other direction too - we can't assume that an accuser is guilty of fraud or libel or filing false reports or whatever just because they failed to prove their case.

    It would not be good for justice if these situations ended up being "now that the accusation has been made someone is going to go to jail, either the accused or the accuser." The Thunderdome is not a good model to emulate.

    mycorrhiza, (edited )

    accused of being a rape apologist because I was insistent on the presumption of innocence

    Good thing to insist on, but be prudent. Keep in mind that, at least on reddit, there’s a tendency for every thread about rape to become a thread about false accusations. I wasn’t there, but in general, sometimes people object not to the presumption of innocence but to people bringing it up.

    EchoVerse, to unitedkingdom in UK weather: hottest June since records began - Met Office

    It’s madness how everyone is very worried about this, yet there is nothing really serious being done about it.

    Ni,
    Ni avatar

    It is maddening, we seem to be stuck watching this happen in slow (well faster now) motion. I think a lot of people don't know exactly what to do, and while we try and make personal changes really we need government to regulate, cut subsidises etc.

    DarkNightoftheSoul, to unitedkingdom in Jewish theatregoers felt 'unsafe' at comedy show - BBC News
    @DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz avatar

    😢 Poor bibis. I feel so sad for you. You got your fee fees hurt by the mean man saying genocide bad. Have you tried not supporting genocide? That’s been working for me.

    z00s,

    Read history

    DarkNightoftheSoul, (edited )
    @DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz avatar

    Your post history is utterly unremarkable.

    Edit: Oh, I see. You weren’t encouraging me to check your post history, you were suggesting that there was something objectionable in mine. I observe that you do not choose to be more specific than that. I think that makes you a whiny bitch who lacks the courage of their supposed convictions, whatever they’re supposed to be.

    Edit 2: OH. I see now. You’re not objecting to my post history like a bitch.

    You’re saying I’m stupid and/or ignorant with a very polite suggestion to educate myself, because apparently my pithy little comment about “dont support genocide” is somehow lacking important historical nuance.

    Wow, no wonder I didn’t get that vague stupid throwaway line. What a braindead take. Eat the block you fucking troll.

    z00s,

    Lol Read history

    DarkNightoftheSoul, (edited )
    @DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz avatar

    “lol hey everyone look at this guy’s history he said something… I don’t choose to be specific because im a bit of a cowardly whingebag, do it yourself you lazy cunts”

    Nougat,

    woooosh

    DarkNightoftheSoul,
    @DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz avatar

    You wanna fucking clue me in guy? I’m clearly not getting whatever this shitty meme is or missing some context that makes this make sense.

    Nougat,

    No.

    DarkNightoftheSoul, (edited )
    @DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz avatar

    Cool bro. Love these little chats. Have fun circlejerking each other.

    Nougat,

    Make sure your homework is done before bedtime.

    DarkNightoftheSoul, (edited )
    @DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz avatar

    Actually, you know what? You don’t need to know what I originally wrote, and you don’t deserve to either. Infantilizing shrivel-prick.

    Nougat,

    k

    themeatbridge,

    I mean, it kind of sounds like the guy called them out of the crowd and incited a mob against them.

    You’re not going to encourage a cease fire by targeting random Jewish people in the audience of a comedy show.

    NoneOfUrBusiness,

    He called them out because they're supporting genocide. That's a very valid thing to call someone out for, crowd or no crowd.

    Tweak,

    No he called them out because they remained seated. He asked them if they were Israeli, they said yes, then he told them to leave (which he can’t do to paying customers) and set the crowd against them. Their views on genocide or Israel’s actions weren’t even determined, it was just the fact they were Israeli and didn’t give him a standing ovation.

    NoneOfUrBusiness,

    He then asked him whether he enjoyed the show, to which the audience member replied that he had enjoyed it until he had taken the Palestinian flag out.

    You ignored this part. There are few reasons one would object to the Palestinian flag being taken out and not the Ukrainian flag.

    FullFridge,

    Based on the article he called them out after they didn’t show support for Palestine at the end of the show. The comedian also is from Belfast which explains why he has such a strong opinion on this.

    I would hope that any Israeli citizen is against the genocide that their government is doing and would show support to stop people being killed. If they disagree publicly in an open place like this I’d expect them to be called out on it.

    DarkNightoftheSoul,
    @DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz avatar

    I think the overwhelming majority of audience members who stood in solidarity with palestine would disagree.

    BumbleBeeButt,

    Exactly, very Kristallnacht vibes coming from some of these people.

    DarkNightoftheSoul, (edited )
    @DarkNightoftheSoul@mander.xyz avatar

    the fuck would you know about the vibes around kristallnacht. fucksake

    BumbleBeeButt,

    Here’s an example of violent emotive outbursts trying to silence discussion. Is your shirt brown?

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