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Wow, @kev of Fosstodon goes in for the kill in an email exchange about with . https://fosstodon.org/@kev/110592625692688836

kev, to Futurology
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  • darnell,
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    @kev I believe is undecided about the name because they were unable to secure the premium domain (https://threads.com) & they do not want to launch on the domain they own (https://threads.net).

    That said, the good thing about Meta joining the is that it might inspire other major players (, , , , maybe ) to join (albeit partially—as in allow people to follow accounts but not interact).

    atomicpoet, (edited ) to random

    It’s highly likely that will build search for the . That is, if doesn’t do it first.

    atomicpoet,

    You think (a.k.a, ) will be built without one of the most essential features of most modern social networks?

    Most users—who will be the primary audience for Threads—will expect search. No, they won’t just expect it. They’ll assume it’s coming.

    And would be foolish to not give them search.

    shauny, (edited ) to internet

    I was hesitant to add anything to all the Meta talk because honestly this place is just people complaining about Twitter and complaining about Meta

    BUT I have one important thing to add that no-one seems to be saying?

    If your instance decides not to block Meta straight away, ** you are free to block Meta’s instance yourself, so you can stay where you are and Meta won’t ever bother you **

    Do people not know this? Why all the harassing of instance owners when the power is in your hands?!

    Edit: added screenshot of how to do it.

    darnell, to Facebook
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    This is a very interning interview with the founder of :

    📹 https://youtu.be/cpYSGyXtQEM

    Zuckerberg discussed how he helped & surpassed the billion user thresh hold.

    Also, another good interview about (it does not have a name or domain yet).

    📹 https://youtu.be/HSde_mIJ7Vw

    I wonder if this will launch this month or if it is being pushed back‽

    darnell,
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    @rmdes previously had a project called . It failed. Perhaps this is there way of resurrecting a brand‽

    darnell,
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    @rmdes Also, will have to buy the farm before the other site sells: https://threads.com/

    matthieu_xyz, to internet

    Ideally I’d say I (and IMO the average user) might want to be in the middle group aka "I want to connect with my friends and family but I don’t want trolls in my replies."

    But I don’t mind making an alt-account in the first group, I already have an Instagram account it cannot be worse than being on the actual platform. What’s great is that the second part of our handle is a literal advertisement. I’ll interact the hell out of meta users and show off my cool handle (bonus points if I can find a very funny domain name).

    I will also subscribe to the actual Threads with my actual instagram account as soon as I can. Why? Not to create content for meta, but because I like trying new stuff, being an early users and reporting back here. The same I do for Bluesky.

    Of course that doesn’t mean that I support Meta. Meta is an adversary to the community-led fediverse. There is a choice to make between safety and connectivity with friends, there are multiple strategy to get people off meta and onto the fediverse. There are a lot of in-fighting here and disagreements.

    But the simple truth is that no one likes meta, they have no ally here.

    RE: https://calckey.social/notes/9g8ah2zatfnwn546

    offby1, to Futurology
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    With the conversation about eyeing the Fediverse by way of , I really like the take by @kev on the subject: https://hub.fosstodon.org/facebook-fosstodon-fedi

    I think it makes way more sense to see how Meta's participation plays out in practice, rather than immediately jump to most extreme possible response.

    I believe that wandering.shop is here for our users, and if our users want to connect with their friends and fam on Meta, then I believe we should give that system a chance.

    chris_hayes, (edited ) to internet
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    This is where I'm at too.
    https://daringfireball.net/linked/2023/06/19/not-that-kind-of-open

    Feels like the part of Mastodon that was obsessed about twitter's demise is now obsessed about killing Meta's ActivityPub project.

    I just enjoy using Mastodon. I don't care what Twitter is doing, I don't care what Meta is doing. If they want to join us on ActivityPub, then feel free. It's an open-standard for a reason.

    dragfyre, to internet
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    Many of those I see arguing against defed'ing argue that staying federated will allow people to be attracted away from the -based solution onto the rest of the .

    ...but IIRC I've only seen a few people mention that it's already possible for people to be attracted away without needing to federate with them at all. Everybody here who wants to help people leave P92, just create accounts there and link them to servers, just like with :birdsite: :thonking:

    dragfyre,
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    ...after all, / is a new app, and apparently people will have to sign up for it separately. Why not just get a few stalwarts on there and tell people "hey, want to remove the ads without a premium subscription?"

    They've just signed up for a new account anyway, if they don't like it, they might be tempted to try a second, right? 🤷

    jemal, to mastodon
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    The latest / conspiracy theory I read revolves around the app being good and well-moderated in order to lull us into a false sense of security and then Meta convinces everyone to update the ActivityPub protocol to do nefarious things and everyone agrees because they’re fools, and all the instances update to support it because of head trauma, and all the clients update for the lolz, and then… some unspecified bad thing happens.

    Terrifying!

    Lazarou, to internet
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    tokyo_0, to internet
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    mastodonmigration, (edited ) to internet
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    June 20, 2023

    So, here are a few tech news tidbits...

    PC Magazine: Meta's Twitter Alternative Will Probably Be Called 'Threads' >>> https://www.pcmag.com/news/metas-twitter-alternative-will-probably-be-called-threads

    • the final name likely Threads
    • Instagram users can automatically transfer over
    • celebrities Dalai Lama, DJ Slime, and Oprah, have committed
    • will use ActivityPub
    • speculates not interoperable with Mastodon
    • speculates easy for Mastodon users to migrate to Threads, but not Threads/Insta users to Masto

    jo, (edited ) to internet
    panos, to internet

    The more I'm trying to understand the call to block 's , the less sense I think it makes. Let's see some of the arguments:

    • "Meta is evil": Yes they are. Don't sign up to their new service. I don't think all of their users are evil though. I still have my facebook account.

    • "There are privacy concerns". Yes there are - for their users, not ours. For us, as admins of communities that are willingly federated, what are the privacy concerns? Most of the stuff we do is public anyway. We're federated to hundreds/thousands of servers. Do we know who owns each of them, and what they do with whatever data they get from us? If you think there are privacy dangers from federating with servers that you don't know what they do with their data, then we should defederate from everyone we're not 100% sure about - so basically from everyone. Saying that federating with a Meta server is dangerous is like saying that an open federation was a bad idea all along.

    • "We have to protect our users". From what? I get defederating from nazi servers, and then we are actually protecting users. If Meta doesn't completely screw up moderation, I don't think we can seriously claim that interaction with Meta users in general will be abusive and harmful. If your users don't want any interaction with Meta users, they can block them at user level.

    • "We have to protect the Fediverse". From what? From being an open space for communication? From not being a walled garden? By pushing people to actually use Meta's platform, if they want to communicate with other Meta users? Do you realize that the biggest obstacle for mass adoption is that most users need social media to communicate with their friends, and if they can't do it from fedi, then they'll stick with Twitter or Meta? And if you don't want "mass adoption", then what are you even doing using an open protocol? Just set up a defederated instance or forum. I use an open protocol because I want users of the platform I provide to be able to communicate with more people on other platforms. I don't have to agree with the other platforms on everything - if we did, we'd just make one platform instead of thousands of different ones. I'll use fediblock to protect users from abuse and harassment, not from communicating with whoever decides to use a "free" platform (and "pay" by viewing ads and giving up their privacy). I think they're getting ripped off, but hey, it's their choice. It's definitely not the same as being a nazi.

    • "We have to stop Meta's plans". Sorry to break it to you buddy, but you can't do that by blocking them. ActivityPub is an open protocol and they have every right to use it. They will attract users for a number of reasons: They'll have celebrities on board, they have the money to provide a smooth service, and they can provide communication with their already enormous userbase on Facebook and Instagram - and with the fedi servers that will choose to federate with them. If you think that the current active fedi userbase of a few million people worldwide is such a selling point for Meta... it's not. It's not what will convince people to sign up. If someone wants access to the fedi userbase, they can already do that by just signing up on a Mastodon, Calckey etc server.

    I'm all for blocking the new platform if it causes actual practical problems for us. But declaring you'll block them anyway because you don't like Meta (I don't like them either)... to be honest, this kinda feels like an admin power trip to me. It could be even perceived as an asshole move to your own users. You're not "protecting" them from Meta. If they want to be protected from Meta, they can just not sign up to Meta. If they don't want any communication with Meta users, they can block them on a user level.

    I'll be discouraging anyone from using Meta's services, as I already do. But forbidding fedi users to interact with Meta users is not the same thing.

    Chill down, fedi. ​:blobhaj_sunglasses:​

    darnell, to fediverse
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    I believe many from who abandoned will probably embrace by (many are already using Instagram like for what it is worth).

    I will try to reintroduce them to the , but this time promote & as viable options.

    I believe the window of opportunity for this will be short, as I assume (I have not evidence for this, so be skeptical) Threads will launch managed hosting options within months of entering the Fediverse.

    darnell,
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    @orthoheterodox1 With the amount of annoying screen shots to newsy events I see on my page, I am very sure will be a hit. I plan on opening an account as well & promote posts from & .

    darnell,
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    @atomicpoet Yeah, I am highly suspicious of anything does nowadays. I think that is one of the reasons why they are building , as it is an attempt to regain trust with half of the planet who hates them.

    I noticed that Threads also uses as a login & not (which probably shows how much people hate Facebook).

    atomicpoet, to internet

    Yet another question people are asking me: "How can I, a common person, help hasten the demise of through ?"

    Again, I want to re-emphasize this. is not an all-purpose tool. It's useful as a hammer. But in this scenario, we don't just need a hammer. We need drills, pliers, saws, and blowtorches.

    That said, we must protect communities that choose to defederate from Meta. Which means that if those servers don't want to receive messages from any Meta-owned services, we must not only be respectful of that, we should make damn sure that those servers are quarantined from Meta. So much of the success of fighting Meta will require safe spaces from Meta.

    The next thing we need is lots and lots of nodes. Currently, we only have ~25,000 nodes on the Fediverse but we need more. Preferably, these nodes should be small, agile, and well-moderated. If you have the finances and/or skill to run a node, it's important that you do so. To compete with Meta, we need to build scale -- and the easiest way to build scale is by adding more nodes to the Fediverse.

    What will also be key is lobby servers. These will be servers specifically set up for migrants from Meta-owned services to help onboard them towards the rest of the Fediverse. To run such a lobby server, they need to be welcoming, moderated well, and free of the elitists and gatekeepers that poison so much of the Fediverse currently.

    How to get people from Meta to try out the rest of the Fediverse? We need people willing to be ambassadors on who are ready and willing to evangelize the rest of the Fediverse. Folks like @tchambers are very good at this on Twitter, and I have no doubt that we can do the same with P92. Except this time we'll have the benefit of federation already happening 😉

    Now if there's one thing I've learned about the growth of the Fediverse it's that bad corporate decisions pay dividends. We've already experienced waves of migration from Tumblr, Twitter, and Reddit. And I have no doubt that it's only a matter of time before Meta makes another corporate mistake -- as they tend to do.

    In which case, we need to strike fast. When another Cambridge Analytica happens, we need to remind everyone on Meta about the lobby servers that are on standby, and ready to take them on. Unlike previous migrations, let's not be unprepared for this. Let's be especially prepared since Meta plans to join the Fediverse.

    Finally, we need more devs. Specifically, we need devs willing to build innovative server and client software that takes aim at Meta. And to do that, we need to support the devs that currently exist -- show evergreen devs pondering whether they should invest here that we, as a community, are appreciative of our current devs.

    If you like , , , , etc., it's important that you open up your hearts as well as your wallets and fund the next stage of Fediverse development.

    This will take a lot of work. But if you want to fight Meta, challenge their dominance of social media, this is what must be done.

    Personally, I'm hyped about the future of the Fediverse -- regardless of whether Meta eventually lives to tell the tale.

    darnell,
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    @jdp23 I am not sure where you are getting your info from, as employees via leaks for weeks have made it clear that will communicate with , as well as other apps.

    👉🏾 https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754304/instagram-meta-twitter-competitor-threads-activitypub

    Virtually every leak I have read implies Threads will be able to communicate with the . But I guess we will find out this month when it launches (I wonder if it will launch this week‽ Or maybe today‽)

    darnell,
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    @jdp23 From what I read, users will need an account to login, but they will be able to communicate with the overall. I am not sure if they will be able to communicate with Instagram posts, but I would not be surprised if they could.

    darnell,
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    @jdp23 I think they will tolerate me doing this, as I already pay for . My account has been a target for hacking for years, so having access to human tech support is critical.

    But may not be thrilled with other people doing it. 😂

    darnell,
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    @jdp23 I think one of the reasons contacted admins was to see which instances should ban. Threads is going to be heavily moderated, & I would not doubt if they already have analyzed my solo instance.

    darnell,
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    @malin We both understand that is not our friend. They seek world domination of the socialverse—nothing more & nothing less.

    However, embracing is an opportunity to expose millions—if not billions to the greater .

    When launches , it will be a pivotal moment. We will either thrive or fail. There really is no other path before us.

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