The answer to this scenario built into the fediverse. You bail on the bad instance and move to a new one. If the problem of profile transfers can be solved, then the whole thing becomes fairly trivial.
The blog post "How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse)" by Ploum discusses how the GAFAM empire controls the internet in 2023, except for a few small villages that resist the oppression and form the "Fediverse"¹. The Fediverse gains fame and attention through debates around Twitter and Reddit¹. The post also discusses how capitalists are against competition and how Facebook has been careful to kill every competition by buying companies that could become competitors¹. However, the Fediverse cannot be bought because it is an informal group of servers discussing through a protocol (ActivityPub) and running different software¹. The post also discusses how Google made XMPP irrelevant by joining the XMPP federation¹.
A luke-warm summary with comical references that only summarizes the first few paragraphs. I hope people don’t only read that summary and think “but that was Google”.
The article is a warning that given a chance, based on the past actions of Microsoft, Google, other corporations and even Meta itself, allowing Meta to participate in any way with ActivityPub will most likely kill ActivityPub. There is no easier way to ensure profits than by killing any hint of competition that might take users away from their services. This is almost always achieved by seemingly “bearing gifts” in the form of users or financial backing. By participating, they will really be trying to prevent users from exploring other options at all. Once they have prevented the majority of users from leaving their platform, and have become “the” largest player in the ActivityPub space, they will have successfully made alternatives irrelevant. They will then kill these connections, excising the competition from participating in the new “ActivityPub”,, forcing projects to be abandoned by the users who want to continue participating where everyone else is. It’s a highly effective strategy that plays off uses FOMO and project enthusiasts aspirations. The fact that people are even considering this might be a good thing is proof that the strategy works, which is why they use it.
I'll admit I can't wrap my head around how many of this works.
I like kbin and the default content it provides for the most part... But I want to branch out a bit.
I know there's a formula 1 community I want to join on lemmy, do I need to sign up for Lemmy now? And do I need to sign up for multiple "instances" whatever those are?
I'm pretty tech savvy but the fediverse makes me feel stupid, i have to assume this could be a barrier to entry for some
There are a couple of active formula1 communities out there on the wider Fediverse. There's a chirp group (https://kbin.social/m/Formula1@chirp.social) which is mostly going to be Mastodon users. And then there's a Lemmy.ml community (https://kbin.social/m/formula1@lemmy.ml). You can subscribe to either, or to both, from kbin.social.
The key thing to know about remote communities, though, is that you're always viewing them locally, no matter which service or server you're using, so their history will only go back as far as someone on your local instance has been subscribed. Servers do not get a full bakc catalogue of content from remote communities (just like how on Twitter, if you follow someone, you don't get flooded with their entire back catalogue of tweets, only because on Twitter you're sharing a websitr, you don't need to go offsite to see their history in their profile). So, even very active communities can look empty if your server has just started receiving posts from it.
Thank you for this! I didn't realize you could form links off kbin to other instances like that, very cool.
Interesting but about the back catalog too... So if I wanted to see the whole post history to the community, I would then have to go sign up for an account with Lemmy?
If you only want to see the back catalogue, you can just brows the community on its host site. If you want to comment on a post there, you can import the post to your own instance the same way you can import a remote community: By entering its URL into the search bar on your local instance.
It's more work than it feels like it needs to be, but there are still nascent products, and up until 2 weeks ago there were only a couple hundred monthly active users here, so...
Kbin is newer, so it has less traffic on its magazines than communities on Lemmy do, at least at the moment. Just like in Lemmy or other fediverse instances, to see kbin magazines someone has had to search for them on your Lemmy instance before they'll show up on your instance. So more people searching for Lemmy communities in your insurance rather than kbin's magazines means less will show up on your feed. That's what they have in common.
Kbin itself is a different software backend to access the fediverse. It supports viewing/subscibing/posting to Lemmy communities in other fediverse instances, but also has microblogging support (basically like random Twitter posts) that supports mastodon (fediverse Twitter). It also has a lot of customization options if you go into your kbin settings. Plus I read kbin doesn't rely on Javascript like Lemmy does, so that's a nice security bonus.
Kbin is much newer but I like the direction it's going. They do need to simplify link aggregation to make it a bit easier to view communities, but it's a work in progress that has a lot of potential.
You have to search on kbin the community like this @ereader_community@lemmy.ml. I'm sure kbin will implement a redirect so you don't have to do this all the time. I'm also working on a brower extension to hopefully make it easier
Exactly. I feel like this is one of those instances of "We're spending time thinking about whether or not we could, when we should be thinking about whether or not we should."
Reading criticisms of Lemmy from Reddit and other platforms like HackerNews reminds me of reading criticisms of Reddit from Digg back in 2007-2010, except they're more based on architecture instead of "it looks ugly".
Now there are things that will turn away users. There's obviously a strong leftist culture here, there are less users so less content, and obviously federation is a stumbling block for many people.
But I really think that's ok similar to what people are saying in that Hacker News thread. I wouldn't want all of Reddit to come over, and I think it's better for the culture and growth here to get a self selected trickle/stream of users instead of a deluge.
I don't think Lemmy will necessarily have the same issues as Mastodon because Twitter/Mastodon requires you to know people or know accounts to follow to be useful. Lemmy just requires communities you're interested in and a critical mass of users to drive posting and engagement. We're already seeing greater activity as more users arrive
It's not like there's not a strong leftist culture on reddit either so I don't really see that as a problem unique to Lemmy. If Lemmy can provide a centralized-like decentralized platform, I think it can succeed.
There isn't at all. Reddit is liberal at the very best and even then it's mostly Obama liberal, which is center right outside the most conservative parts of the world.
The leftist communities are much smaller, easily ignored, and often ridiculed in the mainstream subreddits. The gaming spaces complain about "wokeness" and criticisms of female representations among others. Thinly veiled racism and explicit transphobia abounds.
In contrast, Lemmy is full of anarchists, communists, socialists, and other anti capitalist. It has been and remains a dominantly leftist community.
What will the next social media trend be? Seems like the centralized options are done for (FB, TW, Reddit), but they’re not being replaced by any single solutions. Tiktok took mainly genZ. Professionals have been wanting a twitter replacement to move to since musk and have yet to figure it out (bluesky, tribel, post social, takes, mastodon, etc has no apparent frontrunner). Political apps segmented some off like parler and the right stuff. Decentralized and foss apps have all kinds of solutions but won’t likely ever attract a huge crowd. So are we seeing the end of of an era of massive centralized social media?
While it keeps the willfully ignorant out, it can also keep people with learning disabilities out. Accessibility should always be worked on. That being said, Lemmy is certainly easy to access, Even more so than Mastodon IMHO because Mastodon you have to know people whereas lemmy all you have to do is sign up for a community
Problem: organizations pushing a political or commercial agenda will train their agents to overcome modest technical hurdles. Spammers, in particular, will go to extreme lengths to overcome technical hurdles, including hiring people to solve CAPTCHAs.
Agreed, I remember being shocked about a decade ago learning that there were services run in developing countries where you pay about $1 for 1000 CATPCHA solves for your spam bot to pass along and a person solving it.
I also see it as a feature. If instances have a natural active user cap, then server-based communities can't get so big as to outpace moderation. And admins have the ability to moderate local users' behaviour on off-site sublemmies by enforcing their own codes of conduct.
The internet used to be small, but expansive. It became big, but concentrated.
I liked the former. I know many people like the latter. Those people are welcome to their corporate slums.
I liked the former. I know many people like the latter. Those people are welcome to their corporate slums.
You've worded it well. I think the technical nature of it is to its benefit, and many server may not want to make the signup process easier, for the reasons you mentioned.
Yeah, but none of the Twitter people were using hashtags, and a lot of them where hyper-fixated on finding their Twitter mutuals. They were just trying pretend Mastodon was a drop-in replacement for Twitter.
They didn't want to create their own space in the new place, and they didn't want to integrate with those who were already there. They just kind of wanted to ignore the fact that anything was happening, while still, I guess, engaging in slacktivism.
The most disturbing thing I've seen is the evidence that Lemmy.ml is controlled by a genocide-supporting red fascist/third positionists. If that's true, its a massive issue and makes the platform hard to trust.
Very open to learning that this isn't true, if it isn't.
So your "evidence" is 4 different links from a "competing" platform, all of which should be considered "one source" not multiple individual sources, one of which is a user post with no actual evidence shown or linked -- at least not in the body of the post, I didn't care to follow through checking the comments -- and an article from... Vice.
Not exactly what I would call reputable sources. I'm not DENYING what you're saying, I just don't see any specific evidence to support your claim. Just... Be mindful of what you're using as "source material" when you claim there's evidence.
There's other posts by the same user - which can be found on Reddit - where that person does confirm being the original dev. I'm also seeing other people from around the platform confirming it. I'm not saying that's 100%, but it does seem as if the genocide-denying Tankie lemmy.ml admin is one of the principal devs.
I know what he is. There used to be a person like this on Lemmy probably 2 years ago, who I shut down. He left with a vow to "destroy Lemmy". There are some unhinged dumpster fires like this.
There is nothing like this even on Lemmygrad. People there do not believe, they prefer dissecting through Cold War parroting. Liberals being Cold War McCarthyist parrots is a common phenomenon and should not be surprising. They are useful idiots.
Marxist-Leninists are not radical leftists. Do you even know what socialism is (no do not parrot the economics definition)? Do you know how many divisions exist between socialist left? What makes you such a pompous and loud person to talk on the subject, when you know nothing about such a deep subject? Westerners are so arrogant, intellectually disgusting and unhinged and do not know when to shut up.
Ziq is not a trustworthy source on shit. That guy is well known for lying and impersonating people to stir up shit, and has a personal vendetta against any leftist message board that he isn't personally capable of manipulating. He impersonated me and a few other members of Hexbear in the very early days when it became clear r/ChapoTrapHouse wasn't going to settle on Raddle.
Fuck, i even didn't notice that the lemmy.ml instance admin, also the Dev of lemmy and the android app has Mao as a profile cover, with Che as avatar....
It stems from the fact that lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml cofederate, that the project leads are communists, and the claim that lemmy.ml and lemmygrad.ml off of the same IP address.
The first two points are not in contention, but I haven't, personally, been able to verify the third.
Now, lemmygrad is absolutely a trollish, auth-left hellscape. And I say that with... well, not respect, but not specific derision, either. That genuinely seems to be the aesthetic they're going for. They're not here to make friends with anyone but themselves, and they'll play apologetics for China, North Korea, and Stalin's takeover of the Soviet Republic all day long.
But even if the project leads are genuinely involved in that, it doesn't really change the fact that the project is not inextricably tied to them. It's an open source project. It can be forked, and forked again. No one actually needs lemmygrad or lemmy.ml. Or lemmy, for that matter. Everyone can hop over to kbin or Friendica and still access all of the same communities.
Shit, they're accessible from Mastodon and Calckey.
And besides, it's not like people avoid using software when it's made by white supremacist capitalist techbros. In those cases, we all basically just go "yeah, but I'm not a white supremacist capitalist techbro" and carry on with our day. And those products generally can't be wrenched from their control or oversight.
Most people chose Elon over learning that multiple websites exist...
And even if it were true, there are other instances. The only reason I'm on lemmy.ml myself is because the one that was recommended to me first was offline when I tried it, I could move somewhere else if this turns out to be true.
What concerns me just now is whether join-lemmy the website is controlled by them or not. So far I don't know if it is- But if the entry points are guarded by genocide-supporting (not denying) left-fascists, then that does pose a significant issues.
BTW, these ifs I'm using aren't rhetoric devices. I'm not stating this as fact. There seems to be indicators of concern- Is what I'm saying.
Having been a lemmy resident for a while (this being my second account and someone who doesnt visit lemmygrad at all) is that in my experience the Devs conduct themselves professionally, impartially and generally have the patience of saints.
If you decide to stay here for a while you might form the same impression.
When I joined Lemmy a year ago (with another user), Lemmygrad was not my piece of cake, Lemmy.ml was too big (similar to mastodon.social), Lemmy.ca was not in my continent, and I didn't notice about beehaw. So, sopuli was the only one standing: small, from Finland and not tankie.
Creating a instance can be difficult, but it's a good way when you don't like what you're offered, and it can help other people to find their home.
So long as the entry points like join-lemmy aren't controlled, then yes it is a possibly good solution. I'm not stating facts at this point, only stating my concern about what I saw.
Marxist-Leninists are not radical leftists. Do you even know what socialism is (no do not parrot the economics definition)? Do you know how many divisions exist between socialist left? What makes you such a pompous and loud person to talk on the subject, when you know nothing about such a deep subject? Westerners are so arrogant, intellectually disgusting and unhinged and do not know when to shut up.
Have you ever considered analysing the TV news you consumed from western propaganda news outlets regarding "communism"? Or is it just parroting without criticising the source of "communism bad" propaganda, or trying to self criticise your position? Have you ever considered what is critical thinking, or does it feel nice to have trolling privileges while you relax in your gaming chair slinging shit on leftists?
That depends on what instance you create an user on. For example, Lemmygrad.ml and Lemmy.ml are not the same thing, despite both belonging to Lemmy. The issues I see are having a tankie culture, and not having more points of view.
There are less users so less content
That's something we can help with, although it's not so easy. I mean, the users that are already here, we can create more content and interact more with each other, so eventually more users will come. It can be boring and tiring, but it's not impossible.
Federation is a stumbling block for many people
That's something absolutely new for the vast majority of people. I felt myself confused the first time I joined the fediverse too. But after some time, I felt myself less confused. Some clarifications, tutorials and support can do the real trick.
I have to hope that main instances will stop federating Lemmygrad at some point. There's no place, IMO, for genocide denial/affirmation and authoritarian extremism on platforms like these. Or any platforms.
Edit: Seems this is unfortunately unlikely as the lemmy.ml instance appears to be moderated by a genocide denier and authoritarian.
The Apollo dev (/u/iamthatis) estimated that the new pricing would cost him $20m per year. I raised this with Reddit -- they said that his calculations were "totally wrong", but they were unable to discuss why. Given that the Apollo dev literally just multiplied the cost by the number of requests, I have trouble seeing how this could be wrong.
The only possible explanation I can see for why the Apollo dev's number could be "wrong" is if reddit plans to charge on a sliding scale, i.e. the more requests, the more the price is reduced per request. Or the other possibility would be that they "negotiate" a rate with the app developer, i.e. "determine how popular your app will be based on the cost barrier to entry".
Christian would not make this mistake, he has been careful with this and have been tracking it for a while. It’s a make or break thing for Apollo, and all 3rd party apps and I am pretty sure an intentional move from Reddit. They will try to gaslight everyone until the make it to the ipo.
My guess is that Reddit is alluding to the stupid suggestion of "just make your app more efficient with requests bro" (paraphrasing) that I saw an admin make. Reddit's already said they're not open to negotiations.
And then the Apollo dev proceeded to packet sniff the official app and found their API call usage to be something like 50% higher than his own lol. The gaslighting by Reddit is another layer of insult on top of the already insulting price for API requests.
Yeah the gaslighting is really off-putting, especially after seeing the Snazzy Labs interview with the Apollo dev (Christian) where he said they used to have a great working relationship. I don't understand how this went to shit so fast.
That's hilarious. What a cluster. If they want more performant API calls than maybe they should expose something like a graphql endpoint. Otherwise there's only so much you can optimise through a REST interface.
@butter@caos in my own experience, it seems to depend what you want your feed to look like. Account central gives you a Twitter like feed of every individual account you follow, whereas something like Lemmy is going to be focused on following communities as a whole.
Personally I use mastodon and subscribe to the lemmy communities I’m interested in seeing in my account-centered feed, good middle ground to get both in one place
@caos@butter All depends on what you're looking to get out of it. I've been quite happy with Friendica but it took me trying ~10 other things to learn that. I landed on it because it gave me the most compatibility with other fediverse things. Hubzilla or Streams are two others that offer even more compatibility but I haven't yet gotten comfortable enough with either to make a decision. Everything has slightly different features to offer, so I'd recommend give em all a ride. The main base models are going to be Mastodon, Pleroma, and Misskey. Each of those have a handful of forks to look at as well. If you're looking to self-host any of them, none are overly difficult as far as I understand.
These pages should provide you with more info than you probably want on em all.
My take in this would be the following: It is simply a different paradigm, focusing on a different approach to engagement.
On Lemmy, you follow communities (topics) and you are supposed to be interested in what happens in the world regarding that topic. In Mastodon, you follow mostly users, content creators, people (yes, you can follow hashtags, too). You are not interested in open source (a community/topic) in general, rather, you are interested in what particular your favourite developer is currently working on, and so on. You either want both of these worlds, so you make an account on Lemmy to follow topics that interest you within a UI optimized for that. And you create a Mastodon account to follow those specific people.
Alternatively, you use only one platform and follow the content from the other platform, too, but in a UI that is not optimized for such type of content. It all depends on what are you comfortable with and what do you enjoy.
He joined Universodon during one of the Twitter exoduses a couple years back. Elvira also joined Universodon without knowing it was a space themed instance. Not sure if she’s still there.
I don't consider being on Threads as being "on the fediverse". My definition of the fediverse is servers that follow the Activity Pub protocol to interact with each other. You might disagree with that definition, but Threads only lets us "follow" (view-only) certain of their accounts (only about 2000 out of millions) from Mastodon. Those accounts do not see any replies to their post from the fediverse, or any fediverse posts at all for that matter--we are invisible to them. So no, he's not "on the fediverse", he's on Threads. I doubt he knows the fediverse even exists.
If Google killed XMPP, how come some enterprise communication products (off the top of my head I can name two that are successful at least in Europe) use it?
There is XMPP the protocol which is indeed still widely used by commercial entities, and there is XMPP the open federated network, also called Jabber, which is still alive but Google did kneecap it pretty hard back then.
XMPP as used in the enterprise communication product my employer uses (AFAIK based on the common open source implementation) sucks as much on mobile as Xabber which I used back in the day. I get notifications 30 minutes late if at all. That thing killed itself by not adapting to smartphones.
That’s a bad implementation then. Modern open-source XMPP works great on mobile, no problems with notifications at all on Android. iOS is more of a mixed bag, but that is solely Apple’s fault and applies to all messengers other than iMessage.
That’s a bad implementation then. Modern open-source XMPP works great on mobile
The issue was the state of mobile clients when XMPP died in the mainstream and state of the art was crap like Xabber. Conversations was better but too little, too late.
iOS is more of a mixed bag, but that is solely Apple’s fault and applies to all messengers other than iMessage.
Telegram works flawlessly pretty much everywhere, including iOS which my mom uses.
Well, Monal on iOS doesn’t work worse than Telegram on iOS, so then apparently it’s flawless as well. I am not an iOS user, but I heard complaints about Telegram on iOS as well regarding notifications.
Well, Monal on iOS doesn’t work worse than Telegram on iOS, so then apparently it’s flawless as well.
Again: The current state is irrelevant when discussing the time frame when Google allegedly killed it. The state of Jabber and its clients was just abhorrently bad back in the day. That was the reason the world moved to WhatsApp. Google Talk has always been a niche product. That’s why it’s dead.
Also WhatsApp is using a slightly modified version of XMPP
Obviously modified enough to work better with mobile when it launched than Jabber’s state of the art back then.
Again: Google did not kill Jabber. Jabber achieved its downfall on its own by being bettered by proprietary services that just worked better on mobile devices BACK THEN.
Google Talk was never Jabber. The Google Jabber integration was way before that in Gmail. Google Talk was what came after Google decided to abandon Jabber.
And yes Google very much held Jabber back by having the largest user-base in their Gmail integration and refusing to even implement SSL for that let alone supporting any other innovations like better mobile support. If Google had actually supported Jabber instead of sabotaging it, we would not have this discussion.
Google Talk was never Jabber. The Google Jabber integration was way before that in Gmail. Google Talk was what came after Google decided to abandon Jabber.
Wikipedia says otherwise.
If Google had actually supported Jabber instead of sabotaging it, we would not have this discussion.
Google kills messaging services all the time and launches new, incompatible ones. Google did not sabotage Jabber, they sabotage their own chat services all the time.
Wikipedia is not a good source on this. By the time Google’s XMPP based messaging product was renamed “Google Talk” it had long ceased to be compatible with the wider Jabber federation.
While I agree that Google does also sabotage their own messengers, it was deeply involved in XMPP specs development and other stuff around the ecosystem in the beginning, and then just quietly began to blockage urgently needed changes as they were unwilling to implement them in their system.
But I guess this discussion has reached the end of being useful as you clearly have a lack of understanding what actually happened back then.
Thing is, for federation to work, his team had to opt into it. The fact that his statuses and profile render natively in Mastodon and Akkoma are a pretty strong start.
I’d like to see Meta put their money where their mouths are, and finish the integration. I think we’ll probably see that happen sooner rather than later.
Personally I hope they never do, though it does look likely. Like many pre-November '22 old-time Mastodon et.al. fedizens, I came to the fediverse specifically because I didn't want to have anything with FB/Meta/Twitter or the other commercial, "engagement"-based, enshittified social media.
It feels like the fediverse is being gentrified, with half of it eagerly welcoming their new overlords (why don't they just join Threads?) and the other half resisting. The half that doesn't federate with Meta will move on, like people priced out of their own neighborhoods by gentrification, and become the new "real fediverse" where people can go to live free from corporate interference.
As someone who has repeatedly seen cities become gentrified (first Peoria, Illinois, then San Francisco, then Phoenix), I get what you’re trying to say, but also don’t think it’s an appropriate metaphor.
The half that doesn’t federate with Meta will move on, like people priced out of their own neighborhoods by gentrification, and become the new “real fediverse” where people can go to live free from corporate interference.
Frankly, I think this is a bit melodramatic. The Anti-Threads part of the Fediverse will stay in their isolated bubble with little to no change, while the rest of the network continues to grow or change. It’s not like operational costs are skyrocketing, or that hosting will become any more scarce or more difficult. It’s not like the servers have to move to a different neighborhood. Gentrification is predicated on the finiteness of physical space and affordable places to live.
and become the new “real fediverse” where people can go to live free from corporate interference.
This is probably news to you, but there’s not even a coherent, all-encompassing definition for what the Fediverse even is. The idea that there’s a “real Fediverse” vs “Fake Fediverse” glosses over all kinds of history and nuance. The best anyone’s gotten to defining it is by specifying protocols and interoperability, but even that doesn’t quite cover it.
The Fediverse isn’t just the parts you like, minus the parts you don’t like.
It’s not like operational costs are skyrocketing, or that hosting will become any more scarce or more difficult.
That remains to be seen. There are multiple ways a single huge instance could drive up costs for everyone else, especially when there isn’t organic growth that allows developers to find creative workarounds to firehose problems.
Lemmy has been seeing federation-desync issues over the last couple of weeks due to a bug in kbin being amplified by Lemmy.world. I imaging a similar issue but with a fully federated Threads would simply ddos most fediverse instances out of existence.
I get what you’re trying to say, but also don’t think it’s an appropriate metaphor.
You’re also screamingly White; do you really think you have any latitude, any ground to opine on what is and isn’t gentrification when the odds err closer to 1 that you’ve uncritically participated in this process before?
Y’know, if I had a watch on, I’d be looking at my wrist really condescendingly right about now.
Just because I have privilege doesn’t mean I haven’t experienced harsh realities that are relevant to this context. The idea that a person’s race automatically qualifies or disqualifies them to speak on a subject without context or nuance is just silly.
You’re out here mad because a dude expressed that it’s stupid to compare server hosting for commodity open source communication software to societal decay caused by landlords, real estate developers, and people with four times the local income all rushing into a place and pricing out the people who already lived there. Y’know, something that actually has a real and tangible material effect.
Who said ‘mad’? I asked you a question; "do you really think you have any latitude". Can’t say your response surprises me either. I think your privilege absolutely disqualifies you from speaking without immense disclaimer-- which you didn’t provide-- because you people can never be trusted to even properly parse the difference between prejudice and racism in definition, theory, or practice; so why should I trust you to properly define what is and isn’t ‘gentrification’? Especially considering the list of cities you give only gives me even more reason to believe you’ve participated in meatspace gentrification just as eagerly as you preach it over here? Tuhhhhhh.
Fact of the matter is, you and your little redditor weasel friends have done an admirable job at scuzzing the place up in State Department rot and water-bearing for all manner of genociders, war criminals, and merchants of death-- Meta included among at least two of three in that count. Their presence alone on the fediverse spreads that same Five-Eyed rot. That you either can’t perceive, or won’t perceive that, leads me to believe that yes. ‘Gentrification’ is exactly what they’re doing. What you’re doing. Just virtual this time; and if you believe corporate takeover of the digital commons doesn’t count, you’d just be proving my point even more about your lack of standing or right to speak on the subject. They will embrace, extend, and then extinguish the fediverse as we know it, and expect you to pay for what comes after. Enjoy your dystopia, settler. You’re no longer invited to discuss with me; not 'til you’ve done any kind of meaningful self-crit and preferentially some objective learning about the sociological place from which you speak.
If I can follow some mainstream entertainment accounts from Mastodon, I’m fine with that. I dislike having to log onto Twitter or Threads just to find out what some motorsports teams are up to.
Any social networks that have non-censored participants are. Usually, China’s presence in social networks outside of its borders are for propaganda purposes.
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