@chrisshaw You can bypass this in #Windows11 by registering the following user no@thankyou.com and type any password. Trust me I do it all the time setting up #Windows laptops onboard fishing vessels for work.
@JustineSmithies@chrisshaw Did they put in a secret special handling for that email address? What if the owner of thankyou.com (Citibank, apparently) wants to use that email address for real?
@JustineSmithies@chrisshaw Given that thankyou.com exists, does noone@example.com or noone@account.invalid which are explicitly reserved, work just as well? Or does it have to be a domain that resolves with just an invalid user name?
@mcdanlj@JustineSmithies It has to be a valid account on MS, you just type an incorrect password and that causes the laptop to go into local mode setup.
It's total fuckery. Why they don't just have an option of "create a local account" I don't know.
@chrisshaw@mcdanlj@JustineSmithies really?? Damn. You used to be able to bypass by simply not connecting to internet. Or click the sign in options and select offline account. They all removed that?
@JustineSmithies@chrisshaw I ssetup win11 with this no thank you workaround, and eventually I started up one day and it wanted me to go through the process again, which still worked, but having it annoy me every so often is a PITA
If you have to start injecting 3rd party utilities into boot sectors just to log on to a laptop you just shelled out 600 notes for, that's when you need to look for something with less friction
@chrisshaw@angrylinus@JustineSmithies You can set up without an MSA by telling the set up that you're setting up for an organisation then picking "Domain join instead" too
You can also disconnect from the internet and it will give the option to go through a 'limited setup' (i.e. limiting the bullshit) which lets you set up your local user account like the old days with no MSA requirement.
This is a fairly new thing, I know on Windows 11's launch if you had no internet connection on the Home Ed, it would literally just block you from completing setup until you got online and connected up an MSA. Thankfully they have walked that lunacy back.
It's just madness not being able to create local users on an operating system. I mean what happens if you set up an MSA account but then the internet is down at some point in the future? You can't then log in to your laptop and get access your stuff
@chrisshaw@angrylinus Well I've not had it happen yet to any of our customers and believe me the fishermen would certainly let me know if something weird popped up on their screens whilst at sea. I'm not saying it won't happen but so far so good.
@JustineSmithies@angrylinus I can well imagine those fishermen having slightly more colourful feedback than my mum if it suddenly stopped working one day
@JustineSmithies@chrisshaw@MikrotikTrainer This is basically what drove me to run Linux as my daily. If you have to Google for secret workarounds in order to use your system, it’s user hostile.
@chrisshaw There was me thinking Windows 11 was OK after macOS - but I am using it as provided by work specifically in order to access the Microsoft provided email (Outlook), office suite, file sharing (SharePoint) etc.
Can't say I'd want all that on a personal machine!
@chrisshaw Yep. Though making sure the machine is not connected to any network will pop up the "make a offline account" button (on Windows 10 and 11). Windows will keep nagging you about a MS account , though...
@chrisshaw I went through the process recently, and there was definitely a way to avoid doing that, but it required a horribly convoluted setting of not-clicking-the-default-options.
An almost overwhelming push to create an account, for zero reason (for me).
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