still less hassle then using linux like dont get me wrong if all u wanna do is internet browsing or maybe do some office work sure its fine but for any else its a huge pain in the ass if its even possible.
Basically every steam game just works, most other stuff just works with lutris, all retroarch emulators I’ve tried just work, there are obviously oodles of native linux games particularly Indies. Nvidia drivers mostly just work if you install proprietary (blurgh).
plenty of multiplayer games dont work because their anti cheat disallows it including literally the only multiplayer game i play regularly. also tons of older games dont work.
Which ones don’t? I don’t play many MP games but non of the ones I have played have issues. Easy anticheat works for example, and you can run it in ring 3 and lie which is nice.
its not about if anticheat works or not some developers just adverbially decided to disable the ability to play on linux, it sucks but it just is what it is.
Weird, I suppose you could also VM it but it tends to have a performance hit without optimised hardware. I wonder how they check the environment it runs in and if you can just lie to the checks.
at that point probably easier to just dual boot if u must use linux, but this is exactly the kind of annoyances that make it a deal breaker for me. its just not there yet for my use case.
literally my whole steam library with 80 something games works with linux. just saying. and they are not some linux specific games either. fallout 4, mafias, baldurs gate 3, the forest, rdr 2, gta v etc.
your opinion is from 5 years ago. when have you last even tried to game on linux? and what are you even doing in linuxmemes with these comments? :D kernel level anti cheat is a different thing though
just go check protondb if you need some proof it has all the games on steam listed with info how well they work
last time i tried was when microsoft announced windows 10 would stop getting updates, because windows 11 looks dreadful and i wanted to know how viable linux was. answer not at all atleast for me.
lmao. the fact that kernel-level anti cheat multiplayers don’t work don’t work on linux don’t mean you can’t game on linux or that it is bad experience. a lot of people don’t play those and they are mostly put on competitive game. steam has literslly brought thousands of games to linux in just a few years
out of 1000 top games on steam 77% has either platinum or gold rating in terms of woking. I’m sorry linux isn’t viable for gaming?
and we literally have linux gaming handheld, steam deck. which has over 4000 games with steam verified status and something like 14000 gold or platinum status games
edit: sorry didn’t notice the “at least for me” part which makes your comment valid if you happen to play those kernel anticheat games
not only was i talking about my use case and experiences, lets be very clear “gold” rating is unacceptable and the fact that “it works when u fuck around with it a bit” is the gold standard for linux gaming and the state of half the games is already terrible. the fact that when i say doing anything in linux besides absolute basic tasks is a pain in the ass yalls response is u that u can make it work which is bizzare making it work IS a pain in the ass.
in my experience gold games work almost alwaus just fine. I don’t expect platinum rating on a lot of games since a lot of modern games are just as unstable on windows as they are on linux. In my opinion the meaning of gold rating has changed a lot. 2010s with wine gold used to have quite a lot of tinkering but with proton nowadays it’s usually either just fine or solved with 1 or 2 launch commands copy pasted from protondb. some games have even slightly better performance on linux with the right hardware.
sorry for starting the whole argument but I also don’t know what kind of answers you expected when you came to linux community trash talking linux with things that a lot of linux users don’t agree with. your use cases happens to be one of the worst though on linux.
but the fact that you cant use professional cad software and play games that are specifically made impossible to play on linux don’t mean that you can’t do anything but use office and browser and I still do think that statement is stupid as hell.
but sorry again for getting so heated, I’m going to stop arguing now since neither of us are going to change their minds and this contributes absolutely nothing
Id like to know what means “too much fiddling”. So far in my steam library of 400+ games, there has only been one that didn’t work with my Steam Deck, and it was because the Devs chose Kernel Level Anticheat over making the game available to Linux users.
Hell, the most “fiddling” i do, is “Add game as a non-steam game” through lutris so my controller works in gaming mode. Or maybe I have to change the graphics preset from high to low? If thats too much fiddling than yeah, I guess I’d be curious what you do on windows that isn’t considered fiddling.
The last time I ran Linux on my main gaming rig I had a couple of key problems that largely made me call it quits:
Games with gold and platinum ratings on WineDB (this was about the time Proton was newly released) would require far too much fiddling to get working if I could get them working at all.
A couple of fairly uncommon games I played a lot at the time had weird issues with user-generated content related to filesystem and library case-sensitivity differences.
Game crashes from content conflicts more often than not created system crashes, which both obscured crash dialogues which would normally point me to the content to explore why it was crashing, and extended the amount of time needed to troubleshoot an install and get it working
I’ll probably try it again at some point in the next handful of years, especially since the Linux desktop has come so far in the 3 years or so since I last tried it out. I already run Linux on about half of the systems I use regularly, so its not like I’m completely out of the game.
yeah I definetly know what you mean. with wine it definetly was pain in the ass to make the configuration by yourself to every game. luckily we now have proton doing excellent work for that. and if it’s not a steam game we have lutris doing excellent work for that with their install scripts.
we even have glorius eggroll releasing wine-ge and proton-ge where they apply plenty of game specific patches
in steam I feel like maybe 2 out of 10 gold rated games have some little issues, and even then I just have to copy paste launch comand from proton db, no need to fiddle around too much
it’s all about learning a new workflow. having to go to a website amd downloading exe and going trough an installation wizard from the most basic things like programming language compiler or a web browser seems so backwards for me now after using only linux for 3 years
what are u even talking about getting used to linux wont suddenly make autodesk and a million other software vendors start making linux versions of their software, nor will it make game publishers make linux versions of their games much less stop them from being assholes about drm and anticheat.
just addressing your “paim in the ass” statement. it is true what you’re saying about propiertary software that is not available to linux but there are linux alternatives. which like I said, is the matter of a new workflow. work enviroment is a different though if they require certain software to be used. what comes to gaming, huge steps are made towards gaming on linux and most games work just fine with proton. games with heavy kernel level anticheats are a different thing though.
edit: and everything except browsing internet and office work is a big fucking strech
there are no linux alternatives for some stuff i use, i would need to use wine or emulate and whether it works properly if at all its basically random. and sure gaming on linux is the best it has ever been but considering the starting point that says basically nothing its passable at best, and sure u could just decide not play certain games but like u could also just use windows and play what u want.
also sure internet browsing and spreadsheets or writing stuff, just basic office work is the entire use case for a lot of people which is why i clarified that its fine for that but thats just not the use case for me.
I would like to know what software are you using that don’t have linux alternatives.
and you’re still downplaying linux a lot. programmin is huge thing on linux and propably most people use it for that. there are a lot of digital art software which is made for linux. you can do cad work with freecad, altough it has quite different workflow than a lot of other cad software
just autodesks suit of cad programs. and free cad is not an acceptable replacement at all much less the free versions of autocad and revit, not only are alternative versions less powerful, most of them fuck up when exporting in the file formats for the programs most people use which creates problems for them which is just not acceptable.
then theres stuff i need for school like lockdown browser and multisim are the main ones multisim has a web version but its borderline useless. plus a bunch of other weird ancient software ill used for like one semester cuz the professor was feeling it and its very hit an miss whether those have a native linux version or not.
look im sure u could make it work but thats my point in windows everything just works, u could fuck around with these programs and get some of them working and get adequate replacements for other and dualboot for fucking lockdown browser, but thats my point exacly its more of a pain in the ass to make this shit work and make everything else in the future work than just fucking around with windows once to turn of all the anti pravacy shit, u know which is what i said in my comment the original one, which yall are ignoring because ur brain is so linux poisoned that when someone says doing x in linux is annoying ur response is “u can make it work tho so its fine and ur wrong and doing x is overated anyways why don u do y instead”
my point was still originally that in most cases it’s just change of a workflow. even if something needs a tinkering at first time after thst you know how to do it and it’s not a chore anymore. I would definetly feel thst even if in windows thinf just work it would be pain in the ass for me to do the stuff in windows way because I’m used to linux way.
but also I have very different use cases than you, since I’m a programmer that does 3D modeling as a hobby on blender, and I don’t play competitive games. so for me the linux is “everything just works” os, since if I had any problems at start when I didn’t known how to do something, that’s not most certainly the case anymore
How exactly? When using Linux, I get similar problems to those I get in Windows but in contrast to Windows, I’m able to find a solution and solve them.
in that there is no linux versions of tons of software i use and cant just decide to stop using and trying to get the windows versions working on linux is a pain in the ass and half the time it doesnt work.
Now that I think about it, the decline of ubuntu began when they inserted amazon affiliate links in their ui a long time ago. The final straw for me is forcing snaps when attempting to install some apps via apt. I replaced all my ubuntu machines with debian without any issue.
The Amazon story is really old and Ubuntu did hear the critical voices and reverted the change. The terminal ads can be annoying on servers but you can turn them off.
If you want to throw dirt on Ubuntu, let’s talk about Snaps and the messy Snap Store and how the current Ubuntu site looks like (not desktop user friendly really), and what they did to LXD
I still don’t understand what LXD does that LXC doesn’t do. LXC is significantly more popular. All the major control panels (like Proxmox, SolusVM, Virtualizor, etc) support OpenVZ or LXC but not LXD.
I’m not trying to argue? I legitimately don’t know what advantages LXD has since I don’t see it used widely in the industry, whereas LXC is everywhere.
LXD also has some cool features like launching VMs in a way that’s nearly indistinguishable from containers, which can be useful if you need to do something like run a distro that uses cgroups v1 (e.g. CentOS 7) on a more modern distro.
AFAIK the “terminal ads” were suggesting Ubuntu Pro when using the package management. It’s very far away from actual ads. Just the free version suggesting the paid one. Not ad space sold to third parties.
Just the free version suggesting the paid one. Not ad space sold to third parties.
You’ve read it here, folks. Microsoft just needs to promote Xbox deals and such, then it’s not an ad space sold to third parties. (Either that or you’re holding Canonical to a different standard than Microsoft.)
It would be more like MS selling extended support, which is fair and relevant to something being on the update page.
Would it be bad if a community driven distro had a donations link once a year in the package manager? Not really. A bit annoying, but we still live in a world where they need money too.
which is fair and relevant to something being on the update page.
The Ubuntu paid ad doesn’t show just in the updater either. Seems like double standard allowing Canonical advertising their paid product every time the terminal is opened and Microsoft would be only fine to be allowed to advertise paid updates in the updater.
Would it be bad if a community driven distro had a donations link once a year in the package manager? Not really.
I’m a packager of a small but public repository. Over the years some of the packages were actually picked up by the upstream distribution (minor stuff to scratch my own itch, nothing noteworthy, IMO, but still). I was never offered a few cents of whatever donations came in. Such money goes to the distribution leaders, not the actual community and even less so to the actual upstream software developers. If anything, the upstream software developers should get the money, not a downstream distribution where most of the work is automated anyway and yet replacing bookmarks in the default browser to customized ones for the distribution is common practice. Back when people still bought MP3 music, Canonical replaced the affiliate IDs for MP3 music stores to funnel money off upstream developers into their own pockets.
A bit annoying, but we still live in a world where they need money too.
Windows 10 started out as a free upgrade to Win7 and Win8 users (at least the Home variant, not sure about Pro and higher). Since then Win11 has also been a free upgrade. Do we live in a world where Windows developers need to make money from their product then?
So how are people going to know who you are and how to support you? First time I’m hearing from you. Leave a note somewhere. Your altruism is appreciated, but you do need to eat too! Don’t passively let capitalism take advantage of you. You don’t need to extend your values to corporate.
Money still runs the world. Windows or FOSS devs. I wish things were different, but you are wasting your political support on something that is not a big deal.
Ubuntu Pro is hardly an ad and not comparable to candy crush. Letting people know of a service to get more support is within scope (which is a target for enterprise anyway). To be clear there are better things to criticize about Canonical.
So how are people going to know who you are and how to support you? First time I’m hearing from you. Leave a note somewhere. Your altruism is appreciated, but you do need to eat too! Don’t passively let capitalism take advantage of you.
I do have a regular job. I’m doing fine. I don’t want or need money donated to Linux distributions. Updating a few packages is hardly any work at all because the majority of tasks is automated (as I said: my repo is small and for my own use. I don’t advertise its existence but I also don’t hide it either). Actually developing software is. I don’t want distributors nagging users for money to then put in their pockets. Distributors can promote pledge drives to fund hosting on their website.
Ubuntu Pro is hardly an ad
Yes, it is.
Letting people know of a service to get more support is within scope
Cool, so Microsoft’s “Back up to OneDrive” once per month and “Get more OneDrive storage” don’t count then…
Look my you ran an update and the update program is letting you know how you can get extended support if you needed. It is with in the scope of the activity in a way that Candy Crush and One Drive are not. If Kden live was more explicit about being part of the KDE universe I don’t think there is harm to that either. Ubuntu pro is not malicious or vendor locking (in its current state). What is the big deal that you spend so much energy here? Letting people know how to get 12 years of support instead of just the standard 5? There is a cost to doing that and ensuring quality. The discussion on the distribution paying upstream is important, but kind of a separate matter (and yes they could be doing more).
This is supposed to be for a company that has multiple machines and needs security back ported. Any regular desktop user can just opt out. Real question, what changes do you want to see to make things better? Like we do need to improve communication on how to support FOSS in general. I am not a particularly good programmer, so don’t commit bug fixes. I live in the shit hole US South and 50% below median for the state, so my money contributions are never that high. If we are allergic to Ubuntu Pro or x packages are looking for funding. in npm, how do we really address anything? I get that ads are very invasive, but i think you are picking the least impressive hill to die on here.
Ah yes. MicroCanonicalSoft. Ubuntu used to be great. But they are working hard to ruin it.
I am currently looking for an alternative that has a similar allround-ish support for hardware. Ubuntu supports my Macbook and my Acer Tablet out of the box while others do not competely do so. I could write a whole rant about the tablet with 64-bit processor but 32-bit eufi bios and intel processor that kinda obscures access to the audio and wifi devices unless you use a specific driver.
I’d prefer something debian based but I can’t stand flicking in video playback or scrolling through a webpage. Which is why I like Wayland at the moment, since it fixes those things.
It was ok at best. I first tried Linux around the time opensuse was released, and even then the only reason it was more popular was due to coming out a bit earlier and sending live CDs. Then Suse fucked the Linux community alongside MS for like a decade, and now it’s canonical’s turn to help out.
I could write a whole rant about the tablet with 64-bit processor but 32-bit eufi bios
If you have <4gb RAM, just use a x86 version of the distro. AFAIK it essentially has no downsides, and possibly requires less resources.
I’d prefer something debian based but I can’t stand flicking in video playback or scrolling through a webpage. Which is why I like Wayland at the moment, since it fixes those things.
i messed with eos, it’s alright. I had some problems with the mirrors breaking, to which the solution to fixing the broken keyring trust was “untrust the key, and forcibly install it” which i didn’t really like. Other than that it seemed ok.
Run the eos updater tool and it takes care of all of that for you. The broken mirrors isnt an actual issue either since there’s redundant mirrors on the mirror list I believe
oh believe me i did, it was fucked. The problem was that the keyring for EOS was out of date, and since i hadn’t updated in long enough, there was literally zero chain of trust for that keyring to be updated somehow. So i had to forcibly update it.
I tried a variety of things, including updating eos mirrors iirc, nothing worked until i fixed the keyring lol.
what? shouldn’t blocked domains be routed to 0.0.0.0 instead of loopback? This might cause the system generally to wait for a response instead of instantly realizing those domains don’t exists
How did you build this list? This is likely to break other things. Azureedge isn’t just for ads, and msftconnecttest is literally only used to detect if your internet connection is working.
At this point I’m not sure if this is a meme or what…
Last time I switched distro a few years ago I tried a dozen of them (dropped the ISOs on a Ventoy drive). None of them had trouble getting a usable desktop of correct resolution.
Now sure, if you want an optimal, accelerated driver, on some of them you may have to figure out that distro’s preferred way of doing it. But that’s also true on Windows. And on Windows the vast majority of people don’t bother beyond the install, because it makes no difference to them.
Optimal drivers are essential only to a small subset of users like gamers and I expect a PC gamer to be able to figure out how to install a driver.
But I repeat it’s not even an issue on most modern distros. (I have an Nvidia card too.)
Absolutely not. Just the other day I saw a post about one of the desktops getting something close to working DPI scaling out of the box. And no, you don’t need to figure out shit on Windows. You download the driver, double click and it’s done. The only thing even moderately annoying is HDR calibration which is a mess in itself on Linux. I understand Linux is getting closer, but it’s not on par with ease of use.
Jesus Christ, of course Nvidia has the base drivers. Y’all are just pouty over the reality check. Until Linux desktop is easier and better supported Windows will continue strong.
I’ve seen “computer illiterate” folk using windows computers without properly working graphic drivers causing scrolling to look horrific or being limited to something like 1280x800 while owning a FullHD screen that I’m 100% convinced something like this doesn’t matter for most “normal” users.
The main issue for them is getting it installed in the first place. They buy a computer, turn it on, windows with all its bloatware is there and they use it. Would it boot to any kind of Linux desktop they would use this and most probably wouldn’t even consciously recognise that they aren’t using windows anymore.
To a certain extent this is correct, especially if this person works or used to work an office job in the last let’s say 15 years. But even then what are the use cases of office suites at home, mainly writing letters and maybe for the slightly more tech literate something like logging personal finances in a spreadsheet. In case of writing a letter those files are usually printed and the spreadsheet are usually considered confidential data. These people rarely, if ever, share those files with anyone, so interoperability is likely not an issue.
I’m therefore convinced if you just guide those persons to e.g. libre office writer and just say that’s “The word” on this machine, they’re going to be fine with it. Also almost all of these people use webmail instead of mail clients so the absence of Outlook is usually also not a problem.
Imho this includes 90% of the 50+ years computer user that can be migrated to Linux this way. The “problematic” ones are the ones who know some stuff, like how to click by click import my mail account into Outlook 2016 and want their new computer to behave exactly the same way and will go bananas otherwise. If I encounter one of those in my circle of relatives who need help with their computer I usually just leave them with their windows 7 machines or whatever they’re using cause it’s not a battle worth fighting.
Nah, the last time this user tried Linux was probably 2005. You can get to a desktop and install proprietary drivers from the app store relatively painlessly on most distros.
Commits to tf, open tofu, CNCF, Apache. You’ve used my code today in all probabilty. You ain’t got shit for an answer to the constant support questions for Linux desktop so you back to baseless claims.l on my resume.
Now, send me the copy pasta with do you know who I am as if you weren’t the one making up crap for karma points.
What ever makes you feel like the bigger man. The most annoying thing I run into are distros not supporting proprietary codecs and formats out of the box.
If that’s where we’re at right now I’m pretty happy with the state of Linux, especially since it’s only a couple of distros that intentionally do that.
But that person claims to have contributed some code to server software, so he’s clearly super qualified to comment about 2005 desktop stuff!!11!1
The most annoying thing I run into are distros not supporting proprietary codecs and formats out of the box.
It’s not like Windows supports all the codecs out of the box either. Downloading something like VLC (or insert your competing favorite playback thingie here) is pretty much required when dealing with offline media files.
Your post is confusing friend. Also if you can figure out how to get heic image formats working on fedora I’d love to know. I fixed it by SSHDing into my mother’s desktop and converting everything heic into jpeg from my arch instance.
I wanted her to have a good experience with Linux so I avoided Ubuntu.
It is interesting how many people reports that distros does not work out-of-the-box. While for me, most things work. It’s hard to partition things correctly but that’s that…
Nope, last Christmas I struggled to get Linux Mint to play a Steam game using Proton. Booting would lead to a crash, adding some flags would lead to the game being incredibly laggy. Mint had an option for proprietary drivers, but the game would crash regardless of the flags. In the end, turns out Mint was downloading the wrong drivers, and I had to manually download the correct ones from Nvidia’a website to finally get the game to work with average performance.
It took multiple hours of troubleshooting during my one Christmas vacation of the year. Meanwhile my brother, who had an identical laptop playing the same game on Windows, ran it flawlessly with great performance.
I’m sorry to hear that, dual graphics can be a pain. If you feel like trying it again I’d love to recommend pop os, it should handle dual graphics out of the box. It’s just something that isn’t well supported thanks to Nvidia’s proprietary graphics.
If it weren’t Nvidia’s fault, like, as in they don’t support linux on purpose “because fuck you, you do not matter, you’ll use the OS we choose and like it,” maybe you’d have a point. They could do it, easily, but they don’t because they do not care about their users.
Doesn’t change the fact that those hurdles are caused by nvidia on purpose and they could fix it tomorrow if they wanted, either. Don’t be mad at linux about falling victim to it, be mad at nvidia for doing it. That matters to the users, even if they falsely blame linux about it.
You’re the one angry and completely ignoring the thread 🤷♂️ raging over the popularity of Windows making up excuses for third parties that don’t make a difference for end users.
Windows is popular. It will be popular until Linux desktop gets its shit together and gets rid of it’s compatibility issues.
Well, if you’re complaining about how nvidia doesn’t support linux, seems like it matters to their customers to me. Stop your crying about it then if you don’t care so bad.
nvidia gets its shit together and gets rid of it’s compatibility issues.
Not complaining. I use Windows for games. I don’t deal with any of that right now. I’m stating reality. Again, you’re off thread and just looking for an argument. Some how mad that I pointed out most users won’t change a thing because of Linux challenges. Then starting on some off topic rant about Nvidia being assholes.
Yes they are assholes. It doesn’t change a thing and this enrages you.
I’m off thread? I’m directly responding to your comment, so you’re off thread then. Guess you should stop commenting “off thread” lol.
By “linux challenges,” you mean “nvidia challenges.” Again it is nvidia’s fault whether you accept that or not. You’re complaining about problems with nvidia and pretending they’re problems with linux, I’m simply trying to inform you that you incorrectly place the blame on the wrong party, you in turn are being obtuse, this is a you problem lol.
“The users” meaning “the company nvidia?” Because they’re the only ones that need to change anything to support linux, linux users just use AMD or Intel, or one of the workarounds to get nvidia supported by the hacked together drivers that “the users” have made. It is nvidia themselves that prevent their hardware from running well on linux.
I’m not enraged by nvidia, I just don’t give them money, I use their competitors. I’m not even enraged by stupid people putting blame on linux or “the users” for something done by their precious god-company and then doubling down on being too stupid to understand why anyone would have the audacity to point out why you were wrong and misplace your blame, I’m not enraged at all, I’m laughing at you.
No, I didn’t. I have a faster GPU at a lower price with my timing and I can play every single one of my games. It’s easy and I don’t have to do shit. I don’t have to make sure drm doesn’t work and I don’t have to find some utility it script to get DPI resolution scaling working. You’re just pouty because Linux isn’t a good solution for a large chunk of users.
It's SUPER hard to use. I had to download an .iso from my distro's website, make a bootable USB drive, plug that into my computer and boot into it, answer a few questions and wait a few minutes, A FEW MINUTES... can you believe that??
And then It had the audacity to give me a super easy, working, private OS! Like what the fuck!
How bloody dare you make my life difficult. I was expecting to be TRACKED and EXPLOITED and BOMBARDED with ads all day.
Instead I get all this calm and happiness??
FFS!
As a Linux main, I don’t think it’s hard, but it’s also still not as good as Windows in some ways I find important. Fractional scaling for instance. I had a different resolutions multimonitor setup, and I definitely had more issues than on Windows. Also, now with two same reso monitors, I still have to switch to Windows to RDP into my work Win machine, because on Linux it’s so blurry due to difference in scaling, it hurts my eyes. Of course, I’m most likely in minority of a minority, but it’s still a thing.
The Linux infiltration of PC gaming communities has been one of the most successful covert operations in the history of espionage. So successful that the agents don’t even need to hide their identities.
I just dont get it, you pay for the OS, they monitor you like a hawk and sell that shit. Now they are like we need to make sure they get all these ads too, also we are going to ruin any app that you use, like search or notepad. We will milk this mother dry then claim users dont understand how much it costs to run the company.
In Windows 11 it saves every text file you open as a new tab, so every time you open a text file you’ll have tabs upon tabs of every previous text file you’ve ever opened.
Here’s a Reddit post with some people talking about how to disable it, how frustrating it is, and even how it’s causing problems by straight up opening the wrong file if it’s named the same as a text file you’ve opened in the past.
Not only that. Opening the same file again, opens it in a new tab ffs. I noticed this, when my ssh-config file (which has no file extension and is thus not linked to a program) had like 10 tabs open… Why would someone do that?
Wow finally. I remember when I moved to Notepad++ a decade ago when I still used Windows, to get that behaviour. Being able to close it without losing all the open tabs was a game changer.
Yeah, I noticed it in the new Notepad. Nifty feature. Notepad++ is still my go to for everything. Especially dumping “temporary code” in unsaved tabs, then like 6 months later trying to figure out if any of its still relevant or safe to finally close.
So what’s the deal with vim? I spooled up a vps recently and decided to forgo the gui options, like a real Linux server admin. I have been using nano and it seems to do all I need from a basic text editor in the terminal. I get that vim/emacs meme-bantering but actually why. It accepts texts and stores them in files. What is the actual point/difference?
Visual Studio is the full IDE, VS Code isn’t. Visual Studio and VS Code are completely different products, even though both carry Visual Studio branding.
What would be missing from VS Code or VS Codium that an IDE needs?
I’m an ex Visual Studio user, now writing all my code in VS Codium. I organize my project tree in VS Codium, I build from it and, like a Visual Studio user, I press F5 to debug, set breakpoints and inspect variables.
And that’s just the default install using the vanilla C/C++ extension it ships with, not some complicated setup that takes any time to get working.
If you have a monopoly and need to maximize profits then the question becomes: Why not?! You could extract more money this way, and it’s not like your users would go anywhere else at this point.
That is why it’s so important to fight and break up monopolies, and to limit what these companies can do. Because they have no reason not to squeeze every penny they can get out of you!
Issue is, I don’t think even the current competition is helping them to get better, if they became smaller for some reason they’d just go back to their active sabotage days.
What I’d think would help to actually wither Microsoft’s monopoly in addition of breaking it up is forcing them to open source Windows, thus taking their main leverage on the market. Windows would be a good (not great) OS if it wasn’t for MS and its shareholders trying to monetize it as much as possible, and trying to make all computers like what the Junkman had in the Superhero Team vs. Genocidal Purple Guy Part 3.
Because you could replace the text of this mene with Nvidia drivers or any number of pain in the ass sub systems. Fuck even anti cheat for many games as well. Windows for the most part just works. Search works just fine and 98% of users couldn’t give two fucks about notepad.
This is the norm of what shareholder-driven companies in a situation of monopoly will tend to do. They try to see how much they can abuse their position of dominance on the market to maximize their profits. Microsoft’s primary goal isn’t to make a good user experience, or even a good OS. Their main goal is to milk as much money as possible from its assets for its shareholders. They’ve been playing that game for decades, only backtracking when the consumer backlash is strong enough to threaten their sales or when the government threatens to break them up.
On top of that, Microsoft has a long history of letting arrogant elements of top management take control of projects who will then force their “vision” down the throats of their customers who don’t want any of it. They will only backtrack once the sales numbers become disastrous enough. Then usually the control returns to more competent people and a decent product tends to result from it. Think how Windows Vista lead to Windows 7. And how Windows 8 lead to Windows 10. Or even how the XBox One was originally designed and marketed as some sort of stupid way to watch NFL games on your TV with Kinect controls until they realized they were losing the console war and then started treating it like a gaming console again.
I mean it’s not complicated. If you don’t want to use Windows, your options are:
Pay thousands for a Mac computer that may not have the features you want, and never be able to upgrade or repair it, or
Get a software engineering degree so you can figure out how to install, use and regularly debug Linux. Because even techy people you know that might want to help you don’t know anything about Linux.
I walked my 83 year old dad through a Linux Mint install on his laptop over the phone a few weeks ago when the Windows install shit the bed. All he needs is a browser, he’s good now.
Get out of here with that “software engineering degree” BS.
And this is why it will never be more popular: A community that refuses to acknowledge the shortcomings, and animosity for anyone who questions it or asks for support.
Linux is great until it isn’t. As soon as you venture outside of whatever packages user interfaces offer you, the “degree” analogy applies. For some, the thought of editing a text file to configure an option blows their mind.
It is easier more than ever to install linux today.
People like to use words like “easy” and “hard” to describe clicking buttons and typing letters into a display. These are the wrong words. The word is “complicated”.
Doesn’t matter if it’s easier, the fact remains that it is complicated and likely always will be.
The process to install Ubuntu vs Windows is pretty much the same.
Create a user, choose a timezone, connect to Wi-Fi or LAN and wait for setup to finish. It is not complicated by any mean.
As I mentioned, most people never install an OS in their life, so they don’t know how to create a boot drive and install an OS.
So the issue isn’t that installing Linux is complicated, it’s that installing an OS on an empty drive is not a thing that the vast majority of pc users has done or will ever do.
So the issue isn’t that installing Linux is complicated, it’s that installing an OS on an empty drive is not a thing that the vast majority of pc users has done
Lmfao guess he doesn’t need you to help him setup his email port settings or have any issues with audio drivers or any of the other common issues we see with Linux installs.
Why would a random 83 year old set up his own email port configs? He signs into gmail.com like everyone else, let’s be realistic if we’re gonna talk shit
I worked for an ISP residential tech support for 3 years. Don’t tell me what’s realistic lmfao. I experienced it very, very often. And they sure as fuck couldn’t do it in windows.
We can compare anecdotes if you want, I’ve been in tech twice as long as you were and I can count on one hand the number of people doing their own IMAP setup. That remains the same if you go back to me being a child.
There’s no need to be a dick man, this is a nerd forum for awarding fake internet points. Chill out.
Pay thousands for a Mac computer that may not have the features you want, and never be able to upgrade or repair it, or
M1 Air costs USD $750 where I live.
Get a software engineering degree so you can figure out how to install, use and regularly debug Linux. Because even techy people you know that might want to help you don’t know anything about Linux.
Hyperbole to sell an easily disprovable false narrative. For what?
That MacBook will have 8GB of RAM and 128GB of storage, which is completely useless, not to mention fucking highway robbery when you can buy a Windows laptop for half of that with better specs.
Hyperbole to sell an easily disprovable false narrative.
LOL I’d love to see you prove me wrong. Go on ahead. It’s easy!
That MacBook will have 8GB of RAM and 128GB of storage, which is completely useless, not to mention fucking highway robbery when you can buy a Windows laptop for half of that with better specs.
You said thousands of dollars. They’re not thousands. And yeah, you can get a cheaper machine. And put some flavor of GNU/Linux on that too!
LOL I’d love to see you prove me wrong. Go on ahead. It’s easy!
Niche suppliers normies have never heard of. Can’t find them on retail sites or in stores. Also very expensive.
I know all of these things. I use Linux. I think Linux is better than Windows. I’m just answering the question of why so many people continue to use Windows.
Cost to run the company? They will proudly milk as much money as they can to maximize profits. Having a bigger margin is a point of pride for them. Watch any shareholder meeting. They will publicly brag about it.
Every kernel update on Ubuntu kills my wifi driver. So I automatically recompile and add my new driver…same driver each gaddam time. But it’s not an ad 😂 lol.
Yes, but like 10 years ago. That was probably the last time I ripped out chunks of hair and snapped off teeth trying to configure a half supported broadcom wireless card.
Its an open source tool for modifying existing windows installation preferably start with a fresh one. It does quite a lot with removing anything spyware related. Removing a bunch of features that really no one uses in order to mitigate the attack surface from vulnerabilities.
Do watch out if you use UWP it will remove those too, including Edge.
I have it too, but I didn’t duel boot with Linux Mint. I use the Mint more. I liked 10. But the graphics on Mint just looks better to me. Maybe because it doesn’t hog resources like Windows.
You see, the joke is that “dual boot” means you have two drives/partitions you boot from.
“Duel boot” would imply your boot drives will take 10 paces apart from one another, turn, and shoot each other, one dying and the other emerging victorious.
A lot of the ‘ads’ can be turned off with a toggle or two, it’s wild that people are losing their minds over this. Microsoft is shitty for making the call, but it’s an avoidable thing which doesn’t warrant this level of reaction.
People with this level of energy should be complaining about the online search not being a user facing option to turn off easily in Windows Home edition!
Right, ever since the release of Windows 11 I’m using Explorer Patcher to hide that annoying recommended section, and to restore the windows 10 explorer.
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