FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Hours before Copeland’s death, Hemant Mehta, who runs the popular religion blog Friendly Atheist, noted that Copeland did not appear to have bigoted views toward transgender people or people who simply enjoy cross-dressing.

“There’s a story making the rounds about an Alabama preacher/mayor who secretly dresses in drag and adopts the persona of a trans woman on social media,” Mehta tweeted. “The problem? It’s not clear he’s a hypocrite. If he’s not a bigot, why is he being outed?”

mediaite.com/…/mayor-commits-suicide-after-conser…

Tb0n3,

That’s the biggest problem with religion and hypocrisy. You’re all right being against everything that doesn’t concern you personally but as soon as it does suddenly it’s a problem.

Cylusthevirus,
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  • Tb0n3,

    To be fair, Baptists are some of the worst.

    nottheengineer,

    “The problem? It’s not clear he’s a hypocrite. If he’s not a bigot, why is he being outed?”

    Because every issue has exactly two sides nowadays. And this guy uses twitter, so he should have noticed that by now.

    Cannacheques,

    I’m pretty sure there’s more than two sides to a lot of things in life dude

    admiralteal,

    That quote is ignoring the fact that it was his fellow conservatives who went after him to destroy his life. It is his fellow conservatives -- the ones he chose to stand among and support -- that enjoy this outcome.

    You cannot be surprised when bullies bully. And the people who hang out with bullies because it benefits them to do so? They are also bullies.

    And unfortunately, I think that's exactly why you're wrong. The issue isn't partisanship. The issue is bigotry. These people outed him because they hate and want to destroy LGBT people. There's no shades of grey here. There is no moderate position. This story happened even with no one from the opposite partisan position being involved.

    Dkarma,

    And he participated in that bullying for years himself.

    This guy was those guys. Dressing in drag doesn’t give him a pass.

    unoriginalsin,

    Dressing in drag doesn’t give him a pass.

    I don’t see anyone making that argument. What I do see is people saying that being conservative removes your pass to be queer. And that’s just atrocious.

    Dkarma,

    Literally no one is saying that anywhere. Your reading comprehension is shit.

    What people are saying is it makes him a self hating person and a hypocrite and a bad person to hold office in a party that oppresses LGBTQ people.

    You seem to be thinking that just cuz someone is LGBTQ that makes them a good person inside. That’s pure identity politics and simply false.

    unoriginalsin,

    Literally no one is saying that anywhere.

    kbin.social/m/news@lemmy.world/t/…/3362718

    You don’t have to apologize. Your silence will suffice.

    You seem to be thinking that just cuz someone is LGBTQ that makes them a good person inside.

    You don’t have to speculate about what I think. I’ve explicitly stated it on clear and uncertain terms. A person’s sexuality is their own private business and there’s no reason to be outing anyone.

    Your reading comprehension is shit.

    I don’t think you have demonstrated enough reading comprehension to sit in judgement.

    admiralteal,

    Nah, I'll go ahead and say it.

    No one has a pass to be conservative, especially a queer person. No one. Not one person. It is not acceptable to be a bigot, a bully. It's not acceptable to be cruel just because you believe there is a certain social hierarchy that ought to be enforced. All the tenants of conservatism are unacceptable. And if you are queer, you now have INTIMATE knowledge of what it is like to be on the receiving end of that hatred and oppression and should know better than most to take no part in it.

    unoriginalsin,

    I must agree with all of that. But, it still doesn’t excuse outing anyone.

    unoriginalsin,

    Mehta tweeted. “The problem? It’s not clear he’s a hypocrite. If he’s not a bigot, why is he being outed?”

    Maybe we shouldn’t be outing anyone. One’s personal sexuality isn’t anybody else’s business. Even if one is a bigot.

    Cannacheques,

    Imagine outing someone as straight. Essentially it’s a weird attempt to enforce a degree of group think

    downpunxx,
    downpunxx avatar

    nah, if you're an elected political official with power over other peoples lives, and you're a bigot, it's open fuckin season, and i'd recommend outting every single last goddamned one of them

    themeatbridge,

    Except he wasn’t outed as a bigot. He was outed as “not a bigot”.

    downpunxx,
    downpunxx avatar

    All Republicans are hypocritical bigots, by definition. It's the core of their political party, it's who they signed up to be identified with, it's who they are, or in the case of this poor bigoted fuck, were. I don't want to see any "but this was a nice republican" bullshit. After the Southern Strategy in 1964, all Republicans are trash, every single one.

    Institutionalized racism, misogyny, homophobia, and white Christian separatism as party platform. No matter how "conservative" Republicans claimed to be, The Southern Strategy was the core value and singular driving force for the past 60 years. MAGA isn't a symptom, it's result.

    Bizarroland,
    Bizarroland avatar

    Maybe the politicians, I could agree with that, but most Republican voters are not on board with the southern strategy and all of this other stuff.

    All the majority know is that they hate Democrats, and that is why they vote the way they do. Human beings are creatures of habit after all.

    Besides, even if a group of people are doing bad things en masse, it's ultimately counterproductive to lump the followers in with the leaders. It makes it harder for the followers to break from the leaders that are leading them down the wrong path.

    I am anti-republican politics, and I don't get along with Republican voters, but I'm not going to call the guy at the gas station evil because he votes Republican because his dad voted Republican because his dad voted Republican.

    downpunxx,
    downpunxx avatar

    fuck. and. you.

    LemmysMum,

    They aren’t evil, doesn’t stop them being ignorant, stupid, wrong, and detrimental to society. Ebola isn’t evil, but it’ll fuck up your life if you don’t kill it first.

    Republican voters are cancer, they might not want to kill you, but they will.

    Nudding,

    I didn’t vote for the Nazis to kill the Jews, I just wanted my taxes lowered :(

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    Maybe the politicians, I could agree with that, but most Republican voters are not on board with the southern strategy and all of this other stuff.

    It’s certainly a not big enough deal for them to leave.

    I’m not going to call the guy at the gas station evil because he votes Republican because his dad voted Republican because his dad voted Republican.

    I am.

    If they’re voting to for and supporting the party that does evil stuff, it really doesn’t matter the reason they do it for.

    FaceDeer,
    FaceDeer avatar

    "They don't know what they're voting for" is not a defense, frankly. If you're truly ignorant of what a party stands for and you just can't bring yourself to vote for their opponent, maybe don't vote at all?

    If you vote Republican then you are "on board" with the southern strategy and all of this other stuff. That's what voting signifies, that's the whole point of voting. It's a binding statement to the world that you want the person or group you're voting for to be in charge, and in the case of Republicans we know very well what them being "in charge" entails.

    SaltySalamander,
    SaltySalamander avatar

    Out the ones that could be a part of the ones who could effect change so they can be ousted and replaced by another run-of-the-mill Republican demon. Smart. Real big-brained move.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I think there is a good argument to be made for outing someone closeted who is using their power to oppress LGBT+ people, but there is also a trend of labeling any homophobic politician as being in the closet when a lot of them are just plain old bigots.

    unoriginalsin,

    I think there is a good argument to be made

    I’m sorry, but I must vehemently disagree. There is absolutely no reason to discuss publicly someone’s private sexual preferences. Otherwise, you have the society they want where witch-hunts can be started over rumors.

    there is also a trend of labeling any homophobic politician as being in the closet

    That is also bad, and should not be tolerated.

    Daft_ish,

    If I’m being oppressed I would like to know if the thing I’m being opposed for is something my oppressor practices. That is called injustice.

    unoriginalsin,

    It’s called none of your business. You can’t expect someone to adhere to a standard you refuse to recognize. It’s classic, “Rules for thee…”

    Daft_ish, (edited )

    Excuse me? Are you for, “rules for thee but not for me”? I cannot decipher your actual stance.

    unoriginalsin,

    I cannot decipher your actual stance.

    I can’t fathom why, when I’ve stated it multiple times in the clearest possibly English.

    Don’t out anyone. No exceptions.

    If you make exceptions then it’s you who is creating “rules for thee…”

    Daft_ish, (edited )

    But if your oppressor is LGBTQ+ and oppressing you for being LGBTQ+ it is “rules for thee…”

    Tell me I’m wrong, you nut.

    Most importantly, in this case I don’t think we should be defending the rights of an oppressor over the rights of the oppressed.

    Edit:

    I could go on. The exact reason someone would not want to be outed is because of the social stigma created by the oppressor. So your stance is doubly absurd.

    unoriginalsin,

    But if your oppressor is LGBTQ+ and oppressing you for being LGBTQ+ it is “rules for thee…”

    Yes. He is "rules for thee…"ing you.

    But when you out him you become the one not abiding by your own rules. Twice. Once for the outing, because you don’t want to be outed. And again for not holding yourself to your own standard of not having rules that don’t apply to you.

    I don’t think we should be defending the rights of an oppressor over the rights of the oppressed.

    If you think that some people don’t deserve to have their rights protected, then you are the oppressor.

    Daft_ish,

    That is absolute bullshit. Youre just a troll, as it turns out.

    unoriginalsin,

    I’m not a troll. You’re a hypocrite.

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    But I can expect them to adhere to a standard they’re using to oppress me.

    unoriginalsin,

    That is actually a different thing. And I agree, but you still shouldn’t be outing them.

    RIPandTERROR,
    @RIPandTERROR@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Mmmmmmmm… No, you know what? fuck that. You don’t get to be a bigot and then expect privacy in your own life. Response to even if one is a bigot

    unoriginalsin,

    You don’t get to be a bigot and then expect privacy in your own life.

    You have it exactly backwards though. You don’t get to expect privacy in your own life if you refuse to respect the privacy of others.

    Also, why would you fight bigotry by demeaning the very thing they oppose with their bigotry? You’re only adding fuel to the fire.

    RIPandTERROR,
    @RIPandTERROR@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Paradox of intolerance. Your argument is invalid.

    unoriginalsin,

    Wrong. You don’t have to tolerate bigotry to respect sexual privacy. You have no argument.

    Dkarma,

    Exactly.

    This is classic conservative rules for thee bullshit.

    unoriginalsin,

    This is classic conservative rules for thee bullshit.

    This is anti-conservatives sinking to the level of conservative rules for thee bullshit.

    You’re literally saying “it’s ok to be queer, unless…” Either it’s ok, it it’s not. Spoiler alert, it’s fucking ok.

    Dkarma,

    Yes I’m saying it’s ok to be queer and not ok to be intolerant. What the fuck is wrong with your reading comprehension?

    No one is saying that it is ok that he was outed. They’re saying he was making rules as a Republican official that bound LGBTQ people and the instant those rules would apply to him he killed himself…

    Rules for thee but not me.

    Do u get it now, junior?

    unoriginalsin,

    No one is saying that it is ok that he was outed.

    Plenty of people are saying exactly that. Are you reading a different thread?

    Do u get it now, junior?

    Go back to Reddit, you muppet.

    Dkarma,

    Uk u lost when you resort to “go back to reddit” followed by an ad hominem.

    unoriginalsin,

    Typical Redditor. Thinking every insult is ad hominem. You don’t get to start throwing insults around and not expect some in return.

    downpunxx,
    downpunxx avatar

    All Republicans are hypocritical bigots, by definition. It's the core of their political party, it's who they signed up to be identified with, it's who they are, or in the case of this poor bigoted fuck, were. I don't want to see any "but this was a nice republican" bullshit. After the Southern Strategy in 1964, all Republicans are trash, every single one.

    Institutionalized racism, misogyny, homophobia, and white Christian separatism as party platform. No matter how "conservative" Republicans claimed to be, The Southern Strategy was the core value and singular driving force for the past 60 years. MAGA isn't a symptom, it's result.

    Maeve,

    Such compassion! At least he wasn’t Palestinian amirite? /s because it’s needed

    nottheengineer,

    The people who make a /s like this necessary should be banned from the internet for a month at a time.

    Maeve,

    In this case, just plain banned.

    kux,
    kux avatar

    it's never necessary

    cypher_greyhat,

    How do you feel about Kamala Harris?

    Daisyifyoudo,

    They’re not all hypocritical biggots. Some of them are just plain stupid.

    Drusas,

    Or brainwashed. This was a boomer who grew up in very rural Alabama. There was almost no chance he wasn't going to grow up to be a Republican. And from what I've read, from all accounts, he was not a bigot and was supportive of trans people.

    This is a terrible shame and I hope the people who needlessly outed and ridiculed him feel the guilt on their consciences.

    Bizarroland,
    Bizarroland avatar

    I'm not a republican but almost every other member of my family is Republican.

    The grand majority of them could care less about whether a person is gay or not, or what they do in their own time or in the privacy of their own homes.

    I am a minister and I performed a gay wedding for my brother-in-law's brother and his husband just a month ago.

    Every single one of them vote Republican because they believe that voting Republican will either decrease their tax burden, that it will prevent abortions, that it will keep illegal immigrants out of the country, or that it will help prevent the world from going even more insane than it already is.

    That's why they vote republican.

    The fact that the Republican party is anti-trans and anti women's rights and pro white rights at the cost of the right of every other race and anti-environment and pro-billionaire simply cannot penetrate into their brains and so they do not consider those topics.

    You cannot bring up those topics to them, because they do not have the mental or emotional faculties to communicate about them.

    FaceDeer,
    FaceDeer avatar

    There are plenty of Democratic voters in Alabama. Even in rural Alabama. The 2020 presidential election, for example, has a map that breaks down voting by county. Look at all the pink and light red regions - those went Republican, sure, but only by tens of percentage points.

    This guy didn't have to be Republican.

    Drusas,

    I'd like to see it broken down by age group as well.

    downpunxx,
    downpunxx avatar

    ignorance and stupidity is no excuse to vote for bigotry, it may be the reason, but it's no excuse at all

    Daisyifyoudo,

    I don’t know who you think is excusing their stupidity and ignorance. Certainly not me. I was just pointing out that not all GOPers are evil assholes, some of them are just idiots

    Veedem,
    @Veedem@lemmy.world avatar

    Really sad that he didn’t feel it was ok to be himself and chose to end his life.

    TheFriar,

    I don’t think he killed himself because he wasn’t accepting of himself, but because he was being tormented and ridiculed and had his entire life turned upside down for who he was. Big difference.

    trash80,

    this comment section is a cesspool

    twisted28,

    Clutch my pearls. It’s seems more and more frequent to see a comment such as yours denouncing a comment section. Mainly after Israeli massacre began. When you can’t legitimately debate your views it seems a last resort. Why use lemmy if you don’t want to debate

    trash80,

    I don’t believe this person’s suicide is cause for celebration.

    twisted28,

    I just checked and not a single person is celebrating this persons death

    Guydht,

    Yo what’s up with lemmy’s being psychos saying they don’t care he died since he was a republican

    The man was publicly humiliated (by his standards) to the whole world and ya’ll encourage it?

    Whoever published the blog should be sentenced.

    stella,

    Probably because when he was alive he used his power to hurt others.

    SauteedGrenade,

    I don’t personally approve of some of the stuff this fellow did, and most of it is just disagreeable or not my cup of tea. But it sure isn’t worth the man’s life. What a shame he ended up killing himself.

    awnery,

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  • KepBen,

    Just another queer suicide, nothing to worry about unless you have empathy

    Cannacheques,

    Could say the same for anyone really… If you’re a cunt it really doesn’t matter what party you claim to support

    cricket98,

    Is it normal for queer people to post pictures of kids onto fetish sites, where they fantasize about young males transitioning to "bimbo"s, all while using pictures of actual kids?
    1819news.com/…/to-say-i-was-a-stalker-would-be-a-…

    SauteedGrenade,

    Upon examination of the article, I see your assertion. The conduct described is unacceptable.

    WldFyre,

    Well he was a pastor, so all bets are off

    Wahots,
    @Wahots@pawb.social avatar

    What a waste. Regardless of his political affiliations, it’s sad that someone got bullied so hard that they decided to take their own life. It’s what we fight for in the LGBTQ community and beyond- so nobody feels that their life is over if discovered. Nor should it be a big deal, regardless. It’s what we’ve been fighting for since the Lavender Scare, and we’ll keep fighting for a general sense of normalcy for everyday Americans, regardless of political orientation.

    Daft_ish, (edited )

    I just imagine him being so conflicted about what he wanted for himself and what he thought reality would allow that killing himself made more sense then living ostracized. He must of truly believed the goodness of people is limited to what the majority find socially acceptable.

    cricket98,

    I recommend reading what this guy actually did, it’s pretty sick. 1819news.com/…/to-say-i-was-a-stalker-would-be-a-…

    I would say it’s pretty normal to be disgraced after doing some of the shit he did and getting exposed for it.

    catboss,

    I hate Republicans for all they do and stand for, but nobody kills themselves just for fun. This guy was mentally ill (aside from being in the GOP) and got pushed over the brink by an asshole.

    You don’t have to be sad about his death, but suicide is not normal and should never be encouraged like some here basically do.

    FlashMobOfOne,
    @FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t know.

    It seems to me that when objectively bad people take themselves out of the equation then it’s a net positive for everyone.

    angrystego,

    Was he objectively bad though? You’re quick to judge him.

    ilovetacos,
    @ilovetacos@lemmy.world avatar

    Yeah WTF, cross dressing is objectively bad? People don’t even try to hide their bigotry anymore. If anyone should get back in the closet it is the bigots.

    theangryseal,

    You didn’t read the article did you?

    He posted photos of local residents (including minors) in his sex fantasy fiction. He actually NAMED a local businesswoman in a story he wrote where he kills her and assumes her identity, seduces her husband, and takes over her life.

    “To call myself a stalker would be an understatement.” He wrote before going on about analyzing every social media post the woman made and collecting her photos like pornographic baseball cards.

    This person was batshit crazy and a potentially dangerous predator.

    How anyone that unstable can convince people that they’re just your average Joe, mentally well and healthy enough to become a mayor, is beyond me.

    Cross dressing isn’t bad. Sexually obsessing over everyone in your town and naming them in a public forum is miiiiilllllleeees above being creepy. It’s like something out of the Twilight Zone.

    I wish he could have gotten help. I wish he didn’t end his own life. That doesn’t change the reality here.

    The publication did nothing wrong by bringing this to the attention of the public. The parents of the kids whose images he posted on pornographic websites needed to be made aware of this bizarre shit.

    If he hadn’t named anyone or shared photos of actual people that had known him all their lives, I’d feel a little differently about it.

    The headline is clickbait. Read the article.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Dang he is the exact perfect match of the conservative Boogeyman.

    He is trans, trying to push a “real” woman out her space, grooming kids, a threat to hetrosexual marriage, and mentally ill.

    This is like if I invented a person named Reginald Slavetrader who born wealthy went to Harvard for economics. Now spends his day writing articles denying global warming and calling for less banking regulations.

    Isn’t it amazing how perfectly this matches up? This guy just happens to have all the traits conservatives happen to hate and was caught by a conservative operator.

    theangryseal,

    They present evidence. Tons of it.

    ilovetacos,
    @ilovetacos@lemmy.world avatar

    My bad, I only scanned it. Thanks for the clarification.

    theangryseal,

    Thank you. The crazy amount of people who have absolutely refused to pay attention is mind boggling and concerning.

    Seriously, thank you.

    First,

    Yeah, for example convicted pedos have a higher suicide rate than the average - I don’t think most people believe that is a statistic we should work on changing.

    catboss,

    I think that is a statistic we should work on changing. There is still a lot research to be done, but it is possible that poedophilia is not so different fron being sexually attracted to people of your own gender. Your brain is just wired differently, in the case of pedophilia wrong. But you don’t exactly get to pick if and how you are born.

    Societies outlaw living out these sexual desires for obvious reasons, which (in better parts of the world) obviously don’t apply if you on the other hand e.g. have consensual sexual experiences between two adults of the same sex.

    Obviously sexual acts between adults and kids are not okay, no argument there. That is why we outlaw it, rightfully so. We can, (usually want) and definitely should protect all babies, childen and young adults in our societies. Doesn’t mean you are a waste of oxygen if you have pedophilic urges, but don’t act upon them. There is also without a doubt a higher rate of suicides among those people. It is not a net positive.

    The human sex drive is very strong, so despite having rules against non consensual or considered unacceptable sexual urges, people live those out. Sexual harassment is a better example for this.

    My hope would be that someday we can somehow effectively help people who are sexually attracted to babies, kids and underage people without incarceration. There is already drugs that can supress any kind of sexual desire. We just don’t do enough research on this topic, because helping people struggling with pedophilic thoughts (especially those not having done anything wrong and never choosing that life) is a very unpopular topic. So we rather avoid it.

    That goes for a lot of other mental illness like narcissistic or psychopathic disorders that tend to cause harm if lived out as well.

    Not helping people afflicted by what we consider malfunctions of the human brain and letting them slide into more mental health problems, which might ultimately lead to their suicide is NOT a net positiv, is is a net negative. Always will be, unless you got your priorities wrong or can’t feel empathy.

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    There is still a lot research to be done, but it is possible that poedophilia is not so different fron being sexually attracted to people of your own gender.

    Societies outlaw living out these sexual desires for obvious reasons

    Oh wonderful, the regressives are here with their whole “homosexuals are pedophiles” shtick.

    catboss,

    They obviously aren’t, don’t be a dimwit.

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    They obviously aren’t, don’t be a dimwit.

    No need to deny it, you know I was referring to you.

    catboss,

    Since we clearly reached the “no, you!” stage of this argument and there is evidently no point in going forward, let me wish you a great day and you take care of yourself.

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    Since we clearly reached the “no, you!” stage of this argument

    I’d say we reached the stage where you realize people saw through you to the shitty regressive you really are.

    let me wish you a great day and you take care of yourself.

    Thanks. I wish you realize how much your shitty politics hurt people and change.

    First,

    My statement wasn’t about what’s “morally right”, it was an example of a suicide that the average person will consider a net gain for society.

    A civilized society should obviously not have as its’ goal to make parts of its’ inhabitants kill themselves - the podcast that I got the statistic from was actually an interview with a police officer who worked on monitoring related internet activities, and proactively confronting said individuals to offer preventative chemical castration and therapy sessions. That still doesn’t change the fact that most would rather just see those kinds of people gone, at least after they’re convicted/proven to act upon their urges.

    catboss,

    Okay, I see that as valuable context to what you wrote before and mostly agree. Thanks for adding that.

    Though I also want to protect children from sexual abuse by adults, which is about the worst thing one can do, I do believe nevertheless it is still the right thing to try and help even the worst among us after they served their time, need rehabilitation more than ever and if they want and can be helped of course.

    That’s a whole different topic to what happened to the man in thr article and I don’t want to go down this specific rabbithole any further. I hope that’s okay with you.

    catboss,

    I do know.

    It is not like I shed tears for bad people dying. You don’t have to either.

    I just don’t want suicide to be celebrated. And I want suicide to be understood as (in the vast majority of cases) a very bad thing people commit, because their are mentally ill. Science is also backing up that celebrating or even covering suicide can bring other people to kill themselves too, who are good peoole, simply ill and shouldn’t.

    Suicide is not normal.

    MuhammadJesusGaySex, (edited )

    While I agree that suicide should never ever ever be encouraged. I don’t think it’s necessarily a mental illness. This person was going to or already had lost everything they had ever known and worked for. They would have been a pariah in their town. They very likely would have been disowned by family and friends. It’s a little late in life to be starting all over somewhere new. I don’t think it’s crazy to contemplate unconventional exit strategies in that case.

    Source: I am from small rural town Alabama.

    I also think that we should remove the negative stigma behind suicide. After all, even bringing it up with a mental health professional can and will get you essentially arrested for 48 to 72 hours which discourages people from seeking help.

    DogMuffins,

    Are you trying to make a case that suicide can be a well reasoned and appropriate solution?

    Euthanasia might be appropriate in the context of some medical illnesses, but I think there’s very few people that would agree that suicide is a reasonable course of action when one encounters challenges like that described here.

    I’ll just pull you up on some of the phrasing or terms you’ve used. I’m not trying to be an ass, I’m just concerned at the way you’re phrasing things and maybe you don’t realise?

    He hasn’t “lost everything”. Sure I’m sure he’s lost his current position and standing with some political parties, but he still has whatever wealth he had, and given his experience can probably look forward to a lucrative career in some kind of political support role in another state.

    A “pariah” is an outcast. He might have found it hard to make eye contact with some people at the shops but he wouldn’t have been banned from entering the city.

    He may have been “disowned” but some of his friends, but not all of his friends and family.

    It’s never too late to move and turn the page on a new chapter. He wouldn’t be “starting over” he would be making a change and continuing on.

    Additionally, the term “crazy” doesn’t help anyone. People who are clinically depressed and suicidal are not “crazy”.

    Words and phrasing is important and means things, whether you realise it or not your phrasing and framing is very catastrophic or black and white. Life happens in the grey.

    Finally, you absolutely can talk to a mental health professional about thoughts of suicide, and they’re not going to lock you up. Usually the barrier beyond which someone needs to be detained is when they’re an “imminent risk to themselves or others”. There’s a whole spectrum from “wonders whether suicide is a solution” to “likely to harm themselves today” and in most of that spectrum locking someone up is not the right solution.

    MuhammadJesusGaySex,

    I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with you. I originally typed out a bunch of stuff, but I deleted it because I think it may break some TOS. But, suffice it to say that sometimes things go wrong and there is no coming back from it. I know because I’m there.

    Also, did you go to 1819 news website? Because outing them for being trans isn’t the only thing they did. They also did an article about a fictional story they wrote where they killed a woman that exists in real life and took over her life.

    1819news.com/…/to-say-i-was-a-stalker-would-be-a-…

    WldFyre,

    Yeah posting pics of minors to porn sites is fucking terrible wtf

    MuhammadJesusGaySex, (edited )

    Oh shit! I didn’t know they did that too. I admit I didn’t read the whole article because it was long and from a shitty right wing news source. Damn.

    Ok, I read it and I thought you meant naked pics. What they did was still not ok, but it’s better than what I imagined.

    figaro,

    Hey! One quick correction - I’m currently a therapy student. You are correct that if a therapist thinks you are in imminent danger of suicide, you can be detained for a period of time for your own safety. But we are taught only to do that if the danger is imminent. If you are just depressed and occasionally have suicidal ideation, but likely will not act on it immediately, a good therapist would not have you detained. That would be counterproductive.

    Definitely just be super blunt and honest with your therapist. They are trained to handle things appropriately. You might hear about shitty therapists occasionally, but most of us are really well trained and really want the best for people.

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    “Definitely just be super blunt and honest with cops. They are trained to handle things appropriately. You might hear about shitty cops occasionally, but most of us are really well trained and really want the best for people.”

    Who are you even trying to fool…

    figaro,

    Therapists aren’t cops… 😅

    SuddenlyBlowGreen, (edited )

    Small mercies, huh.

    Anyways, therapists aren’t your friends, kids. You shouldn’t trust them just because they’re therapists.

    figaro,

    Could you explain? I’m legit confused because doctors have the same authority to detain someone on medical/mental grounds. Should you lie to doctors as well?

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    What’s confusing you?

    When I go to doctors at least, it’s because of a physical injury. They’re not going to detain me and lock me away because my broken leg is a threat to me.

    figaro,

    Doctors have the same authority as therapists to detain people if they believe they are a danger to themselves. I get what you are saying though.

    Statistically, depressed people who see mental health professionals have better overall happiness and lower suicidality than people who do not.

    I guess I’m kinda sad, which is why I feel defensive about this. I apologize if it came off as abrasive earlier. Lol also I got like 2 hours of sleep last night bc my gf’s dog is probably dying and needed to go to the vet. It’s been a day.

    Could you explain what you are worried about? Like, just because they have the authority to detain you, are you afraid they absolutely will if they have the chance?

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    Well then stop fucking replying to me, my man, you have more important things to do.

    Tbird83ii,

    Also, can we just acknowledge how fucked up it is that this person felt they had no other way to deal with the situation, all because a group of people cared what clothes he wore in private.

    I get that he decided to be part of this group, but even still… No one deserves that.

    bradorsomething,

    He could have moved to Oregon and a small town would have embraced him. sigh

    MuhammadJesusGaySex,

    Where as I agree with you. It’s also funny that you say that. I have some friends that moved from Oregon to Alabama because it’s so cheap to live here.

    wavebeam,
    @wavebeam@lemmy.world avatar

    Ah, right. Oregon. Known for our high cost of living…

    MuhammadJesusGaySex,

    Well, I think part of it was where they lived too. They were living in hood river.

    odelik,

    I hope they had good flood insurance

    MuhammadJesusGaySex,

    Yeah I asked he said they lived right on the Columbia river.

    MuhammadJesusGaySex,

    Also, I admit that I don’t know. That was just the reason they gave for moving here. For all I know they are hiding from a murder. Heh

    catboss,

    I didn’t say suicide always happens, because you are mentally ill. You are twisting my words to suit your argument, maybe unintentionally. There is good reasons why people want to die, e.g. when they suffer from an illness that is only going to cause pain and suffering and want to go on their own terms.

    I am not and was never in his head, but I am quite positive he didn’t suddenly develop, let’s say relatively severe Alzheimer’s disease and wanted to die why he still had controll over his life.

    And yes, suicide should be allowed in my opinion as well. You should be the one who decides when and how you go. I agree with you insofar.

    Though mental health professionals don’t admit you against your will, because it is a fun joke to them, but because the vast majority people are mentally ill when they are contemplating suicide. It is not a normal thing to want to die.

    I don’t know how things are where you live, but in my tiny spot of the world people usually don’t get admitted against their will because of suicidal tendencies, but chose to after they talked to a mental health professional. You usually only get admitted against your will here, when e.g. police, firefighters and/or medical services had to talk you down or save you from an attempted suicide attempt. If that is not the case in your small town in rural Alabama, then you should inform yourself as well as possible and try to teach others about a better alternative. Just my two cents on your comment.

    MuhammadJesusGaySex,

    I apologize if i misunderstood what your comment said it’s late and I’ve had , well, a day. I wasn’t trying to twist your words. So, I do apologize for that.

    In my experience getting locked up for talking about suicide is subjective. What is serious to one mental health professional may not be serious to another. So, you never really know if you are crossing a line or not. I’ve always felt like it’s best to just avoid the subject all together. But in my experience it keeps me from building a relationship with the therapist. It says to me that there are things that are ok to talk about and things that are not.

    catboss,

    No need to apologize. I assumed it was unintentionally. I sincerely hope things improve in general when it comes to mental health in society and in your life if things are not great.

    MuhammadJesusGaySex,

    Thank you.

    ChunkMcHorkle,
    @ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world avatar

    1819 News published the username to Copeland’s Reddit and Instagram accounts, writing that he posed “in various outfits, some more racy than others.” The blog also said that Copeland used the pseudonym “Brittini Blaire Summerlin” and posted pornography and advice on chemically transitioning.

    So he wasn’t just cross-dressing, he was actively interested in transitioning, to the point that he was able to advise others. He also apparently did not have overt anti-LGBTQIA+ values, beyond being a member of the GOP.

    Honestly, I’m sad for him, and for his family who apparently knew and loved him as he was. In a small town, you often don’t get to choose unless you choice involves moving away, and sometimes you just get trapped. I get the sense he was one of these: a good person, trapped not just in the wrong body but in the wrong town, where you’re either a church-goin’ Trumper or openly hated and ostracized.

    I know there will be a lot of cheer about leopard face eating and karmic retribution, but I won’t be joining in this time. If he were full in he’d have made open anti-LGBTQIA+ statements instead of embracing it, albeit anonymously, in his online personas. No leopard here. I feel nothing but sorrow for this man and his family.

    But the rest of the small minded fucks in his small minded town who were laughing and pointing? And the asshole who outed him? Now THAT’S a different story, and I hope their laughter becomes a curse to them.

    Dkarma,

    Stop white washing this shithead. He was a horrible person who was perfectly fine persecuting others BUT THE FUCKING IMSTANT IT CAME BACK ON HIM HE OFFED HIMSELF.

    THIS WAS NOT A GOOD PERSON, CLOSET LGBTQ OR NO.

    Wrench,

    You got a source for that, besides simply being a member of the GOP in s location where there is no plausible alternative?

    kool_newt,

    If you choose to part of an organization dedicated to dominance at other’s expense you’re not a good person.

    obviouspornalt,

    There are plenty of Democrats in Alabama. He didn’t have to run for public office.

    Dkarma,

    You got a source for ur bullshit? No alternative?? Lmfao ok yeah right.

    Wrench,

    Source: rural Alabama and a basic understanding of political party distribution in the US

    Dkarma,

    Yeah a 3rd grade understanding. Like there are no Dems in the south.

    HandBreadedTools,

    In most rural areas of the South, it’s a racial divide between which are Republican or Democrat. Where I’m from, a white person being a Democrat would be, and are, actively threatened and hurt if they voice their opinion (by white Republicans).

    afraid_of_zombies,

    He was not forced to be a GOP.

    Flax_vert,

    He would be if he wanted to become a mayor

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Not really local level most people do care. My area is blue and my ward has a GOP council member. I did vote for him.

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    besides simply being a member of the GOP in s location where there is no plausible alternative

    You know that democrats do live in Alabama, right?

    Empricorn,

    no plausible alternative?

    Are you kidding me!? “He had to be part of the anti-LGBTQ party because of where he lived”. Fuck out of here with that nonsense. I deleted my longer comment, let me sum it to for you:

    • He didn’t have to live in Alabama
    • He didn’t have to be part of the anti-LGBTQ+ (or any) party
    • He didn’t have have to run for political office
    • He didn’t have to engage in crossdressing

    If any of those conflict with each other, well; life is about choices. Anything less is cowardice.

    Wrench,

    Get a grip. I asked for a source that the person, who you all are celebrating the suicide of, was actually a terrible person or partook in the persecution of others.

    That was the assertion that I was responding to, and none of that was mentioned in any source in this thread besides wild assumptions by people simply for being in the republican party in a small town.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    He stood at the pulpit that makes him party to the persecution of others.

    Empricorn,

    None of those words backs up your assertion, which was that there was “no plausible alternative” to being a GOP politician in Alabama. You can’t defend it because it’s complete nonsense.

    Also, I didn’t celebrate his death, and I haven’t seen anyone else do so either…

    Cannacheques,

    Meh sometimes people just hate someone for not understanding them. And that’s enough. You don’t always need to pretend to have a good reason for hating someone, you just decide and then one day someone asks you why, like asking about babies crying in Africa, people often prefer not to have their beliefs challenged or broken to pieces by any kind of paradigm shift

    PotatoesFall,

    This person partook in the persecution of others. proof? they were in the GOP. there’s your proof.

    And nobody is celebrating suicide. This person is not a hero is all that is being said.

    great_site_not,

    Is it implausible that perhaps this person wished to hide within the GOP to escape its suspicions about their personal life? A Democrat mayor in a deeply Republican area would attract a lot of distrust and hostility simply by virtue of being a Democrat. A Republican mayor, not so much.

    Is every trans person morally obligated to leave every institution that persecutes them? Even when to do so would scrutiny?

    havokdj,

    You heard it here folks, association by organization means you did the same thing some other shitheads did.

    The secretaries for concentration camps? They gassed the Jews themselves, might as well have anyways, based on that logic.

    Let’s take it even further, all Germans are bad because of what Hitler did to the Jews, after all, they are ASSOCIATED with the SS, being in the same country and culture and all, they all obviously have symmetrical views because all people really believe the same thing even in a party such as the GOP.

    (Don’t you dare try to pretend those analogies flew over your head, work with me here)

    Grow up, it’s not about him “being a hero”, nobody here is claiming that. The fact you came to that conclusion somehow on your own is evidence enough that you are celebrating his death. Have some respect, it seems pretty clear to me that he had second thoughts atleast some point in his life about his political decisions, had no way out, and when someone threatened to take even that away, made the last mistake you can ever make on your own accord. Please have some respect just as you would wish for yourself.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    It isn’t binary

    havokdj,

    Exactly my point

    PotatoesFall,

    (Don’t you dare try to pretend those analogies flew over your head, work with me here)

    lmao I loved this part.

    You have a good point, I’m starting to think I was in a hateful mood yesterday. I still don’t think this person was a hero but it’s truly very sad that they had to hide this part of their life, and were so scared of the public’s opinion that they killed themselves.

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    Fuck off nazi apologist.

    havokdj,

    fUcK oFf NaZi ApOlOgIsT

    When the time comes that you are on the other end of the blade, the people you despise will show you the exact same level of mercy you showed them. Problems do not have to be solved with death and violence, suffering and misery.

    People like you are exactly what’s wrong with this country, that same kind of hatred is what enables mass shooters to commit the atrocities that they commit, the same kind of hatred that allows Israel to bomb innocent civilians to fruitlessly take out ten times less that number of hamas fighters.

    You have some soul searching to do, and if you find that you still have the same anger and hatred in your heart, you will never find true happiness, satisfaction, it will never be enough. You will grasp for more and more, clawing at every little thing until it consumes you and all others around you.

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    Telling that you’re not even trying to dispute it.

    When the time comes that you are on the other end of the blade, the people you despise will show you the exact same level of mercy you showed them.

    You got the sides wrong, champ. I’m on the end of the blade, and I’m this angry because people like you are holding the knife.

    People like you are exactly what’s wrong with this country

    People who dislike nazis are the ones that are wrong with this country?

    So that would mean, that in your view, the opposite (aka nazis and nazi supporters) are in the right.

    You just keep telling on yourself…

    You have some soul searching to do

    If I do, it won’t be because a nazi apologist told me to.

    if you find that you still have the same anger and hatred in your heart, you will never find true happiness

    That’s funny coming from your kind.

    Tell you what. I’ll stop having anger in my heart when you stop trying to exterminate people like me.

    havokdj,

    people like you

    Who am I exactly with? Do you even know? Or are you making assumptions because you’re an angry piece of shit redditor who walked to the wrong platform to spout the bullshit that you are?

    more dumb unrelated shit about “nazi apologists”

    Would you please shut the fuck up about the Nazis? The words I am reading from your post are legitimately the stupidest fucking things I’ve ever seen on the internet.

    WAAAAHHH, ME ANGRY BECAUSE ME GOT CALLED OUT FOR BEING A BLOODTHIRSTY ANGRY PIECE OF SHIT HUMAN

    You don’t even know who I’m with, stop kidding yourself. You seem to still have a lot of growing up to do. Stop being a fucking baby ffs. Ironically the fact that you see things in black and white makes you similar to the Nazis.

    SuddenlyBlowGreen,

    I see you’re pretty about getting called out. Oh well, next time don’t be a nazi apologist.

    havokdj,

    Sounds more like you lack the intelligence to hold your own in a conversation so you’re reaching for the “you’re a nazi” card.

    You realize you’re basically calling everyone who lived in Germany from the late 30’s to mid 40’s a Nazi, right? You realize how smoothbrained that is.

    If you can generalize a group of people and say “they’re all basically the same” then where does that end? Do you think all Italians are the same? What about Britons? Considering the fact that you’re basically saying that all Germans from that time period are Nazis just because they lived in a country run by the Nazi party, that sounds an awful lot like racism to me.

    utopianfiat,

    *She was a horrible person.

    *SHE OFFED HERSELF.

    ftfy

    Wrench,

    Cross dresser != Trans

    utopianfiat,

    She identified as trans and was offering advice on HRT on Reddit.

    Dkarma,

    This person never called or asked anyone to call them she. What the fuck are u even talking about? Get a grip.

    electrogamerman,

    But the rest of the small minded fucks in his small minded town who were laughing and pointing? And the asshole who outed him? Now THAT’S a different story, and I hope their laughter becomes a curse to them.

    How many of those are also hiding their sexuality/gender just because of the same reasons that you mentioned?

    Im sorry for the guy that shot himself, but he was part of the problem. It doesn’t matter the reason why someone is a church goer, Trump supporter, one less of them is always good.

    PotatoesFall,

    He also apparently did not have overt anti-LGBTQIA+ values, beyond being a member of the GOP.

    Yes and (?) was never antisemitic, beyond being member of the nazi party. (???)

    If you are part of a party that stands STAUNCHELY against queers, you don’t deserve solidarity for being queer.

    Klear,

    Would you blame a secret jew for jojning yhe Nazi party if that was a way of keep away from a concentration camp?

    greywolf0x1,

    Was this guy at threat for being queer in America?

    PotatoesFall,

    i guess not, good point

    havokdj,

    You can blame that on the US’s bipartisan system rather than the multiparty system it is supposed to be.

    What other option would he have, the democrats? What if there are things that they did he didn’t agree with either? 3rd party is out the window because it would take minimum 2 elections to get their candidate in office.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Plenty of options. Didn’t have to be a shaman, didn’t have to live in a sheit tier state, didn’t have to run for public office, didn’t have to support the GOP. He went up to the leopard and screamed “eat my face”.

    havokdj,

    I mean, he was 62 years old you know, not like he could just turn his life around on a dime given the position he was in.

    The dude was not hurting anyone. He clearly wanted to help operate the city, you have zero chance of winning with the democratic party in the vast majority of deep south states. Being a part of a party does not mean you believe in every single view that someone in your party holds, why do you think half the GOP is trying to get rid of Trump?

    And would you stop with this leopard eating shit? I have read it here like 40,000 times. Suicide isn’t a joke, this is borderline not even a story about politics FFS. Save it for actually funny shit.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Boy that leopard is getting fat. Must be from all the faces it is eating. He fed the leopard for fucking decades.

    You really think his church gives a shit? I bet during their weekly pretend time this morning they were celebrating.

    havokdj,

    Did I say anything about a church?

    Are you an actual human being? I don’t give a shit about the church, I don’t give a shit about religion in general at all actually.

    The fact you mentioned that raises my suspicion that you are a bot or something

    afraid_of_zombies,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/aae17882-904c-445f-aa81-d3f264f114c1.jpeg

    I am mentioning the church. He was a leader for a denomination of Christianity infamous for the degree of its anti-LGBT stances. Decades feeding the hate machine. And I bet you anything that today they those people who said a thousand good morning to him are happy that he killed himself.

    The final unavoidable conclusion of Christianity is to kill its own.

    havokdj,

    I am mentioning the church

    I know you are, I’m simply asking you what the fuck that has to do with what I said.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Jaqing

    Flax_vert,

    What an uneducated comment. Baptists don’t inherently mean Anti-LGBTQ, it’s a common low-church denomination which mainly subscribes to the doctrine of grace by faith alone and is characterized by the belief in credo-baptism. It’s got nothing to do with LGBTQ politics.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Citation needed that Southern Baptists are pro-LGBT

    Flax_vert,

    You said Baptist, not Southern Baptist. They are a different thing.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Jesus Christ you are something else. Fine citation needed that BAPTIST are pro-LGBT. There, can you do that now or is there some other dodge you would like to try first?

    Flax_vert,

    Some baptists are pro lgbt. Some aren’t. The LGBT question doesn’t define what being a baptist is.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    The religion itself is bigoted

    Flax_vert,

    To what standard?