Biden Sets Internet Alight With ‘Dark Brandon’ Super Bowl Reaction

President Joe Biden had conspiracy theorists in a tizzy after posting what appeared to be his reaction to the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl win on Sunday night.

“Just like we drew it up,” Biden posted on X alongside a photo of “Dark Brandon,” the meme created by hardcore—and very online—supporters of Donald Trump that Biden and his team loved so much they adopted it as their own.

The post was apparently referencing far-right conspiracy theories which posit the NFL and high-level government operatives conspired to rig the Super Bowl in Kansas City’s favor to give maximum exposure to a yet-to-be-announced endorsement from Chiefs star Travis Kelce and his girlfriend Taylor Swift.

Semi-Hemi-Demigod,
Semi-Hemi-Demigod avatar

I figured some dumb politics thing would be how I found out who won. Goddammit.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Now I want to know what he would have done if the 49ers won.

NoIWontPickaName,

The same

homesweethomeMrL,

gottem

TheSlad,

Jokes on them, I dont know who either of the teams are and I’ve already forgotten who won.

givesomefucks,
  1. Why would anyone think Biden is actually posting this shit to social media himself?
  2. Why do they keep hiring interns that want to make Biden seem like trump?

All I want is a functional adult in the White House. But that’s just not an option these day.

I’d ask if “moderates” ever feel embarrassed over this stupid shit, but it’s been obvious for decades their line is habitually right above republican.

So whatever bullshit Republicans are fine with, give it 4-8 years and both parties are going to act like it’s normal.

Biden could have given the traditional pre game interview and alleviated fears of his ability. Instead he cancels it for the second year in a row and the media pretends he’s posting “dank memes” and that’s just as good.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar
  1. I don’t care.
  2. What?

All I want is a functional adult in the White House.

You have one. Hence the U.S. economy getting back on track, inflation dropping, unemployment low, fuel costs low and infrastructure finally getting rebuilt. Plus much cheaper insulin for seniors.

Ohhhhh! Wait, what you meant is that all you want is someone to do exactly what you want them to do. My mistake.

Nudding,

RECORD HOMELESSNESS

PopcornTin,

They’re are no homeless people anymore.

We just have people experiencing homelessness. It’s way better this way.

Nudding,

Lmao.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Exactly what do you expect Biden to do about that?

Nudding,

Fuck all.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Okay, then why associate it with him?

Nudding,

Because he’s the president who’s trying to convince us that everything is fine?

A strong economy means companies are doing well, when companies are doing well, the average worker isn’t being paid enough.

gregorum,

Because he’s the president who’s trying to convince us that everything is fine?

where is this happening?

Nudding,

Have you not seen videos of him gloating about bidenomics?

gregorum,

being proud of the success of his economic policy != your claim.

wanna try that again?

Nudding,

Not really, the economy is still not working for the majority of people and he’s trying to convince us that it’s good. That is the end of my assertion.

gregorum,

that’s your opinion and has nothing what Biden said nor whether he was “trying to convince” anyone of anything.

now you’re just trying to change the subject because you got caught out.

Nudding,

I disagree. You’re trying to catch me slipping instead of engaging with what I’m saying. It’s pretty fucking repiblicanesque if you ask me.

gregorum,

why would i engage in a conversation with a troll arguing in bad faith?

i’m just going to keep wearing you down until you leave.

i have aaaaallll day.

Nudding,

This isn’t a physical space lol, I’m not “here”, I can’t “leave”.

You need to get outside more Imo. Enjoy your day.

gregorum,

the fact that you continue to return proves otherwise

Uranium3006,
Uranium3006 avatar

if the president doesn't have the power to do anything, why are you so scared of how I'll vote?

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

bravo

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Because he’s the president who’s trying to convince us that everything is fine?

When has he done that?

A strong economy means companies are doing well, when companies are doing well, the average worker isn’t being paid enough.

Again, what can he do about this?

He put forward a bill that ended up creating and will create a lot of jobs. He can’t control what people are paid in those jobs and he also cannot control rent and housing prices.

You seem to be forgetting that this was about someone claiming they wanted a “functional adult” in the White House, followed by me pointing out a lot of things he’d accomplished and ‘functional’ does not mean ‘does everything you want.’

And you basically chime in complaining that he isn’t doing everything you want.

Nudding,

President Joe Biden to repeatedly ask his advisers: Why then are so many Americans still not feeling great about the economy?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Is that supposed to be your proof of Biden trying to convince us that everything is fine?

Because maybe you should have read the article to the end…

“But for all we’ve done to bring prices down, there are still too many corporations in America ripping people off. Price gouging, junk feeds, greedflation, shrinkflation,” Biden added. “America – we’re tired of being played for suckers!”

Nudding,

Actions speak louder than words my friend. Most people are still struggling with rent and food.

Bidenomics Is Working: The President’s Plan Grows the Economy from the Middle Out and Bottom Up—Not the Top Down

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You seem to have forgotten what you said. You said this:

Because he’s the president who’s trying to convince us that everything is fine?

How does “Bidenomics is working” mean “everything is fine?” It doesn’t even mean “everything is better than it was.”

Nudding,

Sorry, I guess the subtle differences between the two sentiments are lost on me.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“The chemotherapy is working” doesn’t mean “the cancer is gone.”

Nudding,

The cancer is spreading and metastasising. Instead of cutting out the cancer, or using chemo, they are bragging about curing the ear infection. Great analogy, thank you.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The cancer is spreading and metastasising.

Based on what metric? Homelessness? Because that is far from the only metric for an economy.

Nudding,

It’s a pretty important one, especially to the people that are becoming homeless.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“It’s a pretty important one” does not make it the sole metric to base an improving economy on, nor does it mean that Biden is claiming everything is fine. So you really have no point here.

Again, your claim-

Because he’s the president who’s trying to convince us that everything is fine?

Not only have you not supported it, you found an article that contradicted it.

He is specifically not telling people that everything is fine, and the first article you provided proved that.

So I guess this is a “what are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?” situation. Believe it or not, I’m choosing my own eyes.

Nudding,

Great, I hope that works out for you!

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It generally does, yes. Weirdly, the whole “believe what I say even though I showed you the exact opposite thing” isn’t especially convincing as arguments go.

Nudding,

I agree! I hope things are going as well for you as the Biden administration tells you they are lol. Have a wonderful day

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

The Biden Administration that explicitly said things aren’t going well in the link you provided for me to “prove” that Biden said the opposite of that? Yes, they are doing that well.

I love how you are just pretending your link didn’t contradict you. It’s pretty damn funny.

Nudding,

Enjoy the baff, mate ✌️

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry, I’m an American and don’t know what that obviously foreign word ‘baff’ means. Apparently, you are not an American, so it’s weird that you think you know better about what is going on here politically than I do.

Nudding,

The ultimate guide to Cockney rhyming slang

I never said I know better, although I do get an outsiders view in.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

If you don’t know better, maybe defer to the people you do who are telling you that you are incorrect. I am not the only one.

Nudding,

Lol

assassin_aragorn,

“Why aren’t people feeling good about this?” is pretty much the polar opposite of “convincing us that everything is fine”. Trying to understand why people aren’t fine despite economic “indicators” is exactly what I want a leader to do.

Animoscity,
@Animoscity@lemmy.world avatar

The problem here is you are asking someone that doesn’t really want an answer or likely to even be fixed they just want to say something loud and blame someone else.

If it wasn’t this it’d be another bigger picture problem blamed one on individual.

BadEngineering,

He should be like Jimmy Carter and start building them homes himself, by hand. /s

Nudding,

Anything would be better than the gas lighting bullshit they’re trying to pull at the moment.

gregorum,

what “gaslighting” is biden doing about homelessness?

Nudding,

Bidenomics Is Working: The President’s Plan Grows the Economy from the Middle Out and Bottom Up—Not the Top Down

Not about homelessness per se, just the economy as a whole.

gregorum,

oh, so you admit that you were lying.

Nudding,

Well no, there’s still record homelessness. That’s still the reality.

gregorum,

the lie:

Anything would be better than the gas lighting bullshit they’re trying to pull at the moment.

but nice try at gaslighting

Nudding,

They’re trying to tell you the economy is doing well. The average person is not doing well. That is the gaslighting.

gregorum,

They’re trying to tell you the economy is doing well.

biden has explained how it is in several regards

The average person is not doing well

if you failed to understand what he spoke about, that is your failing

That is the gaslighting.

no, it’s your ignorance, not a psy-op

Nudding,

🤷 Sorry you feel that way Greg.

gregorum,

hey, you’re the madboi here trolling. i’m just having fun at work ;)

Nudding,

How is this comment not trolling, what have you added to the discourse lol?

gregorum,

the fact that you keep coming back for more proves its value

Nudding,

How mature of you haha.

gregorum,

like you trying to get the last word?

how mature.

Nudding,

Do you have zero self awareness or are you trying to be funny lol?

gregorum,

your inner-monologue is leaking

mpa92643,

axios.com/…/americans-are-actually-pretty-happy-w…

I get a lot of people are struggling, but you can’t claim that the average person isn’t doing well when 63% of Americans rate their financial situation as “good” or “very good.”

Nudding,

Only 44 percent of U.S. adults say they would pay an emergency expense of $1,000 or more from their savings, according to a new Bankrate survey. That’s up from 2023, when 43 percent of people said the same, and unchanged compared to 2022. Without savings to fall back on, 35 percent of people say they would borrow to pay a $1,000 unexpected expense, either by financing with a credit card and paying it off over time, taking a personal loan or turning to friends or family.

Things are getting better but it’s still a shocking figure.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

“I say shocking this for response rather than actually responding to the words being said to me for understanding!”

Nudding,

Sorry?

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Your responses are more like Republican rhetoric rather than a mutual understanding. Record homelessness has alot more to do with the grand Cheeto and his inability properly manage the pandemic than anything Joe did. And there is only so much he can do when there are so many reasons it got out of hand. He’s doing better than most and it would be great if it went away. Holding corporate overlords would be more useful than blaming the politicians that are trying.

Nudding,

Lol. Yeah it’s Trumps fault. Good one.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

Thanks for agreeing. I finally find this interaction as productive.

Nudding,

Glad I could help with your feelings 👍

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

put an aircraft carrier at every major port and open it up for public housing. or just use the pentagon.

daltotron,

this is a dumb solution, the aircraft carrier thing, but the spirit of a US military intervention in order to build housing, is, I’m pretty sure, totally within biden’s jurisdiction, and would be a pretty good solution to the problem.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

I think it would be flashy. I'm not sure it's the most effective thing, but it would have panache

daltotron,

if you’re chasing panache, I would probably just like, do some light anti-corporate government funded terrorism, which the government has, for some reason, been somewhat reluctant to fund, relative to your regular right wing domestic wedge issue diet fascist terrorism. Can’t imagine why. But that could have some serious flash. Oh no! Somebody dumped 5 metric tons of manure right at google headquarters! Stuff like that, that could have some flash, some sizzle. And, blam, seems like we have a very desperate population of homeless people who are on dire straits and have very little left to lose, who could accomplish these tasks! What joy!

But yeah I dunno if there’s a great flashy way to like. Solve homelessness.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So… displace all the people who already live on the aircraft carrier (making them homeless) and make our military budget have to be much more bloated by spreading out the workforce across DC or the country and we’ll solve homelessness?

Because I don’t live near a port or The Pentagon and I’m pretty sure there are a lot of homeless people here.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

something tells me the people stationed on the carrier also have homes (or could afford them with all the money the government doles out for them). and i didn't say it was a panacea, just that it's something he could do to address the record homelessness.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, well, as long as something tells you that they could afford a home, then that must be true.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

i have pretty good intuition.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sure. You and Trump.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

this is some pretty ham-fisted pigeonholing

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

It’s not “ham-fisted pigeonholing” when both you and he believe you know things without looking them up.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

what i'm saying is true or false regardless of anything trump has ever done. your attempt to associate me with him is the very definition of pigeonholing: you're trying to discredit my claims by associating me with someone else. i think it's worth further explicating that this is a form of ad hominem, which is expressly prohibited on lemmy.world and in this community

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Feel free to report me if you like. When you do something Trump does all the time, I’m going to compare you with him. If you don’t want to be compared with Trump, don’t do something he’s famous for.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

mastodon reports don't get pushed to lemmy mods afaik

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Oh well. Guess you’ll have to live with me comparing you to Trump for doing something he does then.

Asudox,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

After Lemmy version 19.2, they can.

gregorum,

facing the consequences of your actions in not a state of victimhood.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

being ad-hominemed isn't a consequence of my actions, it's a failing of my interlocutor to engage in good faith

gregorum,

being ad-hominemed isn’t a consequence of my actions

if you don’t like being compared to Trump, stop doing things he does. But that’s not an ad hominem-- it’s a consequence of your actions.

it’s a failing of my interlocutor to engage in good faith

blaming others for your poor behavior is engaging in bad faith. accusing them of what you, yourself, are doing is projection and hypocritical.

just like Trump

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

>if you don’t like being compared to Trump, stop doing things he does

this is straight up darvo abuse

gregorum,

no, you’re just projecting because you refuse to take re3sponsibility for your actions and gaslighting because you’re cornered.

just like Trump

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

more darvo

gregorum,

no, you’re just projecting because you refuse to take re3sponsibility for your actions and gaslighting because you’re cornered.

just like Trump

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

more darvo

gregorum,

no, you’re just projecting because you refuse to take responsibility for your actions and gaslighting because you’re cornered.

just like Trump

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

this is spam at this point

gregorum,

more projection

just like Trump

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

clearly, this isn't going anywhere, and i have no reason to tolerate any more abuse.

gregorum,

just like Trump*

https://hollywoodunlocked.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1479206864-donald-trump-wrong.gif

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

this whole comment is darvo bullshit

gregorum,

no, you’re just projecting because you refuse to take responsibility for your actions and gaslighting because you’re cornered.

just like Trump

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

more darvo

gregorum,

no, you’re just projecting because you refuse to take responsibility for your actions and gaslighting because you’re cornered.

just like Trump

Pratai,

You’re being bailed into saying something they can report you for. Trust me. Block them.

gregorum,

all evidence to the contrary.

https://bvanudgeconsulting.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/2.jpg

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

this is rhetoric, not a rebuttal

gregorum,

it’s a fact, and if you can’t rebut it, it means you’ve lost the argument.

how’s that for rhetoric?

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

it's pure rhetoric. you still haven't substantiated a claim that there is any evidence i don't have pretty good intuition.

gregorum,

you have presented plenty of your own evidence for that claim

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

wrong

gregorum,

wrong

just like Trump

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That one’s especially funny.

https://hollywoodunlocked.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1479206864-donald-trump-wrong.gif

gregorum,

and how would cramming a bunch of homeless people on an aircraft carrier help them? it’s not really designed to house civilians. and what would they do for work? there’s not exactly a transit system to get them to and from jobs, medical appointments, necessary social services, etc. They’d be stuck on the ship.

you should look into what life on an active naval vessel is like-- it’s not exactly conducive to either civilian life nor to taking care of a bunch of homeless people who have complex social, psychological, and medical needs. this wouldn’t solve any problems and owuld create a lot of new ones-- not to mention that we need those aircraft carriers.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

there is no reason they need to work

gregorum,

uh… to support themselves by earning an income? being unable to afford housing is most often the reason they’re homeless in the first place.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

air craft carries can certainly provide medical treatment and social services on site

gregorum,

not that type of help or for that number of people all at once for a sustained amount of time. but, sure, go ahead and provide evidence for you claims that battlefield medicine on a battleship is the same as long-term medical and psychiatric care provided to civilians.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

>you claims that battlefield medicine on a battleship is the same as long-term medical and psychiatric care provided to civilians.

i didn't say that. this is a strawman

gregorum,

you clearly implied it when you said that medical care would be available for them. i merely highlighted your profound ignorance on the subject.

the consequences of your actions are not a state of victimhood.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

you inferred it. you're now suggesting I implied it.

gregorum,

ah, the Reverse Gish-Gallop.

nice try

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

no. it's just pedantry.

gregorum,

now you’re deflecting again

just like Trump

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

more pigeonholing and darvo. surely you have other dishonest tactics you'd like to hone

gregorum,

now you’re deflecting and projecting again

just like Trump

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

if being in ship is not a workable solution, he could always sell the ship to fund programs to relieve homelessness

gregorum,

it’s pretty telling that you can’t simply imagine a solution where more money is appropriated to fund such programs rather than the absurd notion of selling of critical military hardware.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

>it’s pretty telling that you can’t simply imagine a solution where more money is appropriated to fund such programs rather than the absurd notion of selling of critical military hardware.

there's no evidence i can't imagine a solution such as that, only that i havent presented one here

and how many air craft carriers does one navy need? i think most countries get by without any.

gregorum,

there’s no evidence i can’t imagine a solution such as that

your comments abound with such evidence.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

gregorum,

to quote you:

more rhetoric

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

no, this is basic logic.

gregorum,

clearly, you don’t know what that word means

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

wrong

gregorum,

just like Trump

https://hollywoodunlocked.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1479206864-donald-trump-wrong.gif

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

wrong

gregorum,

just like Trump*

https://hollywoodunlocked.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1479206864-donald-trump-wrong.gif

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

more rhetoric

gregorum,

you clearly don’t know what that word means, lmao

either way, just because yo choose to ignore evidence doesn’t mean it’s not there.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

>you clearly don’t know what that word means

wrong

gregorum,

wrong

now you sound just like Trump

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

just the one trolling tactic for the day, then?

gregorum,

now your projecting again

just like Trump

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

more pigeonholing and darvo

gregorum,

now your projecting again

just like Trump

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

> lmao

this smacks of an appeal to ridicule

gregorum,

facing the consequences of your actions is not a state of victimhood

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

but that's not what's happening here. this is like a domestic abuser saying they wouldn't beat their spouse if they kept the house clean. it's straight up darvo.

gregorum,

if you’re hallucinating so hard that you believe you’re my spouse and im beating you for not cleaning the house, you’re not going to convince many people that you’re making a rational argument.

otherwise, you’re just projecting and deflecting just like trump

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

>just because yo chosoe to ignore evidence doesn’t mean it’s not there.

you haven't presented any evidence for your claim

gregorum,

you have presented plenty. your comments are full of it :P

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

wrong

gregorum,

just like Trump*

https://hollywoodunlocked.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/1479206864-donald-trump-wrong.gif

AngryCommieKender,

Lake Michigan, and Lake Erie aren’t too far away from you. The Ohio River as well.

/s

homesweethomeMrL,

GREAT TASTE

NoIWontPickaName,

Woohoo I am glad we care more about money instead of the fact that we are supporting the killing of innocent children.

Thank god that almighty dollar is there, it is so much more important than human life!

Jax,

This is probably a foreign concept, but it’s important to understand in case you’re ever in a plane crash. When the oxygen masks come down, you put your oxygen mask on first. Then you help others.

You’re welcome, if you’re ever in a plane crash I just saved your life and the people around you. And yes you are welcome because you clearly did not understand the concept based on the comment I’m replying to.

NoIWontPickaName,

To where is the helping others part here?

Is… is it inside all of the bombs?

Is that why Israel is dropping so many bombs for all the help that’s inside of them?

Shit! I didn’t know, my bad.

Krono,

So in this analogy, the ‘people in the plane around you’ are actually the Palestinian civilialians that we are genociding? And you think it is fine to financially and rhetorically support an ongoing genocide as long as domestic issues are being taken care of?

This seems to be the opposite of the “we can walk and chew gum at the same time” type of rhetoric we hear often from the Democrats.

ickplant,
@ickplant@lemmy.world avatar

Human life is supported by the almighty dollar. Like it or not, that’s how it is. I have to feed my children, don’t I? And Biden did the best he could to get the economy back on track. He succeeded. But by all means, let’s not give him any credit because he is not perfect.

NoIWontPickaName,

So that, to you, is worth all of the dead children that have happened because of the weapons we sent?

boywar3,

I think the deal is more “My family is safe and healthy and that is important to me” over “wow I don’t care at all about dead foreign kids.”

In a 2-party system, sometimes that’s the best you can get… and frankly, I give more of a shit about myself and my friends/family who would be much worse off under Republicans than Democrats, enough that if I have to id vote Democrat every time until the immediate threat of Republicans is dealt with.

And again, because you just don’t seem to get it, Republicans have an even worse track record on the middle east lol. (Not intended as a whataboutism - more as an explanation that the two-party system sucks, and how not voting for one effectively means the other wins)

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

This person actually thinks you and I should put other people’s lives over our own children’s lives.

NoIWontPickaName,

False equivalence they aren’t both ending in death.

With a proper support system, your daughter will be fine no matter what the outside world is like

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

“It’s okay if your daughter suffers as long as she doesn’t die.”

Fucking listen to yourself.

My daughter will not be fine. This is what Trump did in his first term:

hrc.org/…/the-list-of-trumps-unprecedented-steps-…

Trump is a clear and present danger to queer people.

The fact is that you just don’t give a shit about queer people.

NoIWontPickaName,

So what is the exchange rate between “potential things that trump might do” and actual physical deaths that Biden has supported.

How many deaths does it take to change your mind?

How many of other people’s children are you willing to sacrifice to keep biden in the White House?

Pratai,

How many deaths did Trump cause 2016-2020? Care to count them? It’s not about what Trump might do. It’s about what he’s done and has promised that he will do.

Dictator for a day.

What do you think that means exactly?

NoIWontPickaName,

Play the same game with Biden and trump.

That is how it should be, just because one does something doesn’t mean you forgive the other if they do it just because they are on the same side as you.

Fuck them both. Trump killed people through not acting with Covid.

Trump is a complete and total piece of shit just like fucking Biden.

I do not give a shit how good you made the fucking economy or whatever.

You are still giving bombs to people to kill children with.

Pratai,

I’m not gong to argue with you just to get my comments deleted and accounts banned.

Your wrong. And your decision to fold your arms and pout instead of voting will potentially cost the rest of us our democracy.

I hope you are okay to live with that. Because it Will be YOUR fault.

Blocking you now so as to avoid losing my ability to continue posting here.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, you’ve already made it clear that you don’t give a shit about queer people.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

this is bad faith

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No. No it isn’t. They told me I shouldn’t be worried about what Trump will do to my queer daughter based on what he has done in the past. That clearly shows they have no problem with what Trump has done in the past because they don’t think what he did was bad enough already.

They also suggested that my daughter would be fine as long as she doesn’t die.

So I stand by what I said. They don’t give a shit about queer people.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

>They told me I shouldn’t be worried about what Trump will do to my queer daughter based on what he has
done in the past. That clearly shows they have no problem with what Trump has done in the past because they don’t think what he did was bad enough already.

wrong. they may have major problems with it, but they may have even bigger problems with what biden is doing now on some other front. they can care about two things at the same time.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

They have said multiple times that Trump would be better than Biden. I have shown that Trump has a very clear record of oppressing queer people. Biden has done very little to negatively affect queer people just for being who they are. Trump is not better than Biden for my daughter or any queer person. Period. And anyone who thinks that my queer daughter’s welfare should be sacrificed in order to get Trump elected does not care about queer people.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

i can't seem to find them saying trump would be better than biden. can you link that?

NoIWontPickaName,

I’ll just jump in right here and say fuck Trump too.

Very clearly fuck Trump fuck Biden, fuck Israel fuck Hamas

I can acknowledge that both things are shitty.

The closest you’re coming to finding me supporting Trump all through my history would probably be when I said he might be what we deserve or need to make people wise the fuck up.

That being said, it wouldn’t surprise me if you can find were so I said that just to piss someone off I was arguing with.

I’m not proud of it, but there’s the potential for it.

However, if you check my entire post to come in history, you’ll see where I stand.

Thank you for understanding that there are more than just two sides to this

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

wanna be friends?

NoIWontPickaName,

My homie🤜

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Now that’s rich. The person who said that their intuition was all they need and evidence was not necessary expecting me to provide evidence.

Sure. As soon as you show evidence that all people who live on aircraft carriers can afford to buy a home.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

>The person who said that their intuition was all they need and evidence was not necessary expecting me to provide evidence.

that didn't happen

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

What a silly lie.

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/52d40733-1686-4a21-b57a-2a9e09b67da9.pnghttps://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/87c0ccc9-43fa-45d2-8167-3c46e4fb9ea3.png

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

if it were a lie, it would be easy to disprove

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I literally just disproved with with what I pasted in my last post to you.

Are you going to pretend I didn’t paste those images?

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

the image didn't populate in mastodon, but i checked it and it doesn't say what you are claiming it said.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

This is the weirdest gaslighting ever.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

you're telling me.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Okay, then stop doing it.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

i'm not. it's you.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, I’m totally gaslighting by pasting an image of exactly what you said to prove that you said it. That’s the very definition of gaslighting.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

claiming the image says one thing when it says another is a pretty bizarre attempt at gaslighting.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Good thing I didn’t do that.

But I’m sure you’ll continue to gaslight and say I did.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

anyone can search this thread for "buy"

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

THEY CAN?!?!?!?

HOLY SHIT!

Pratai,

Following along here…. Who’s Hacktheprisons?

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

>Sure. As soon as you show evidence that all people who live on aircraft carriers can afford to buy a home.

why would i do that?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Do what you like. But if you want me to do what you ask of me, that’s what you’ll have to do first.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

you're the one making the claim here. a claim made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Oh, like how you made the claim that anyone who lived on an aircraft carrier could afford a home based on you having pretty good intuition.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

this whole line of discussion is a red herring: you accused another user of something that would be easy to prove if true, and instead you are making erroneous attacks on my person.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You claiming that anyone stationed on an aircraft carrier can afford a home would be easy to prove if true.

But you didn’t.

And you made your claim first.

Pratai,

Careful. They’re staring to victimize themselves. This is when they start reporting your comments.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

1, i said they could afford a home, not that they could buy one

2, uh.... if you think the navy doesn't provide on-base housing that someone could afford on their salary, i don't know what to say.

3, this is a red herring. you haven't proven your claim, and are instead making erroneous attacks on an unrelated topic.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

LOL! You’re not even reading my comments!

Me:

You claiming that anyone stationed on an aircraft carrier can afford a home would be easy to prove if true.

You:

1, i said they could afford a home, not that they could buy one

This would be tragic if it wasn’t so funny.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

anyone who gets this far in the thread will see, above, where you said that i claimed they could buy a home. you're shifting the goalposts.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

So you’re now claiming you weren’t responding to the comment I just made, you were responding to something I said earlier?

This is some hilarious desperation.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

you don't seem to be able to keep the conversation straight. maybe you should go back to the top and re-read

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sure. As soon as you provide me evidence that every person stationed on an aircraft carrier can afford to purchase a home.

Yes, I know, you’re going to claim you meant on-base housing even though they don’t have to pay for that and you were talking about affording to pay for something with their government money.

I will enjoy seeing you deny all of that. I’d post a screenshot, but you’d just claim it didn’t say what it clearly says in the screenshot.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

>Yes, I know, you’re going to claim you meant on-base housing even though they don’t have to pay for that and you were talking about affording to pay for something with their government money.

looks like you understand what i said, and that i was right, but just want to fight with me about it instead of backing up your claim.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Haha. You’re such a bad liar.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

i haven't lied about anything.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Tell me more about how people can search for things!

NoIWontPickaName,

Hi buddy, I would just like to remind you that you started this by saying that I said Trump is better than Biden.

Fuck Trump fuck Biden fuck Israel fuck Hamas

Do you know what they all have in common? They’re all lying sack of shit who don’t care when innocent Palestinians or Israelis die.

This war is great for every one of them, so fuck them all.

The only way we win this is when it stops.

Trump says he wants to do kill them all, Biden is doing it, so is Hamas, so is Israel.

Don’t think I’m saying Trump is better than Biden I’m saying they’re both fucking horrible.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

They are the only two people who, barring unforeseen circumstances, have a chance at being president. Voting for anyone else will not change anything about Democrats or Republicans or make a third party viable as proven by both Ross Perot and Ralph Nader.

So I’m voting for the one with the proven track record of not oppressing people like my daughter. And that does, in fact, make him better than Trump.

If you disagree, then I will maintain my claim that you don’t give a shit about queer people.

NoIWontPickaName,

Friend I live in small town redneck as fuck Missouri where my daughters can’t even get an abortion or have books about them and their girlfriends “shock” I know, about themselves.

Y’know what they have? A support system in their family that makes damn sure that they know what their worth is.

Amazingly enough they are happy, have friends and respect given to them.

Even here where the fucking white dudes in suits are running from the mob of “patriots” I think dumb fuck Hawley said after his wittle feetsies got him away from them as quick as they could, there are houses with equality and rainbow signs.

These fucking kids are already active and waiting out the timer to change the world.

These other kids don’t get that chance, they won’t get the chance to make a difference where they live.

Instead both sides just use them as fucking ammunition.

Now instead of being able to have the chance to grow together and change things they will be used as ammunition again to inspire more people to join the fucking revolution against Israel.

So yeah, I have seen how people band together even when under attack from authority, and how it can grow to change the world.

But you have to be alive to do it.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

None of that addresses what I said. Not one word.

So I guess I will maintain what I said about you not giving a shit about queer people.

And you gave me some more evidence for it:

there are houses with equality and rainbow signs.

Not “my house.” Nope. “There are houses.”

Because someone who doesn’t give a shit about queer people wouldn’t put a pride flag on their own house.

NoIWontPickaName,

Bitch please. I also don’t have a Ukrainian flag a Palestinian flag or an upside down American flag.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Still haven’t addressed a word of what I said.

All you are doing is proving that you don’t give a shit about queer people.

NoIWontPickaName,

Ok let me know what else you decide I said

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I didn’t decide you said anything. I’m waiting for you to address what I wrote.

NoIWontPickaName,

Yes gay people deserve every right the rest of us do.

I don’t disagree with that. I don’t want trump to win.

I could change sides and go vote for him, but I’m not.

Biden sucks, he’s enabling genocidal actions and the worst he has to say is that it’s over the top.

Fuck him and fuck trump.

If you want to help them then do, I won’t.

Anything else?

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

it's never going to be good enough

Jax,

Your words mean nothing.

NoIWontPickaName,

Ok?

You’re going to have to tell me what you disagree with here.

This is so far in the thread that everyone is a gray line

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

"everyone is a gray line"

what does that mean?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You do disagree with that and you do want Trump to win. Because you won’t vote for the only other viable candidate in this election.

You do not give a shit about queer people because you are fine with allowing Trump to win. You know that it’s either Trump or Biden. You know that there’s close to a 50/50 chance it will be Trump.

You just don’t care that is a very strong chance.

Because you don’t care about queer people.

And when they get marched into camps, I doubt you will be the first to speak up.

NoIWontPickaName,

Ok.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Didn’t think you were brave or honest enough to address what I said.

NoIWontPickaName,

What more do you think I need to say?

We disagree, I think human life is more important, you disagree.

I refuse to support genocide, you don’t.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Like I thought. Too cowardly and too dishonest to address my long post.

NoIWontPickaName,

What fucking long post?

I’m sure exist, but do you know how many different conversations? I’m having right now.

Me and you were having like three different conversations at the time.

Be more specific

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t know why you can’t just scroll up, but sure. I’ll repaste it. I doubt you’ll answer it substantively this time either:

You do disagree with that and you do want Trump to win. Because you won’t vote for the only other viable candidate in this election.

You do not give a shit about queer people because you are fine with allowing Trump to win. You know that it’s either Trump or Biden. You know that there’s close to a 50/50 chance it will be Trump.

You just don’t care that is a very strong chance.

Because you don’t care about queer people.

And when they get marched into camps, I doubt you will be the first to speak up.

Your response:

Ok

The reason that was your response?

You don’t care about queer people and you won’t complain if Trump’s people march them into camps.

NoIWontPickaName,

I don’t have one to that because I already answered it.

We disagree on the most important issue.

You think it is gay rights, I think it is human life.

I’m not responsible for your candidate not being good enough.

You can vote for gay rights, I can choose not to vote for the support of genocide.

If I did want trump to win I would vote for him.

It’s not that I don’t care, it’s that I care more about something else.

It would be like asking you to vote for a candidate who would say fuck gay rights, but that would immediately stop the war or a candidate who just said fuck gay rights.

Would you do that?

If my options are vote for genocide either way or don’t vote… I mean it’s pretty simple to

lrrkr,

https://lemmy.ca/comment/7242213

https://lemmy.ca/comment/7241566

i think they're just harassing you with their alt

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, you did answer it. You answered it in the affirmative that you don’t care about queer people and won’t speak up when they’re marched into camps.

Claiming you don’t support genocide is a lie. You’re fine with genocide- if it’s people who are queer.

GilgameshCatBeard,

You should probably look up the definition of genocide and then stop using it incorrect in your arguments.

NoIWontPickaName,

You mean the systematic killing, humiliation, starvation, removing power and water, after segregating and then removing a group of people that you refer to as animals from their home while talking about how you need complete control for your security, while allowing your citizens to drive even more people from their homes?

Thank you, but I prefer it my way.

GilgameshCatBeard, (edited )

That’s just war. It’s horrific, and disgusting what’s being done there- but It’s the same as what’s happening in Ukraine, and the same that’s happened in any country that’s ever been invaded in the history of this planet. Why are you not crying about the genocide in Ukraine? Do you place your hand on your heart in remembrance of the great genocide in Vietnam? What about the genocide during the Falklands War? It’s war- It’s gross…

But not everything is genocide.

Look, I get that it’s a fun little catchy sound-bite you love to toss around, and sure… it makes it look like you know what you’re talking about… but everyone that actually knows what’s going on- is subscribed to reality, and has payed attention since graduating high school, knows that what is happening in Palestine is not- by definition…. Genocide.

For the record- the U.N. hasn’t even declared it genocide, but a bunch of random people on the internet get to say it is because …… reasons?

Israel is attacking Gaza because of territorial displacement. This shit goes back to the late 19th century man. It’s incredibly nuanced. But again… NOT GENOCIDE.

And while I fully understand that there’s no chance in hell I’m changing your mind, maybe this response will serve as a fresh and logical take to anyone still riding the fence that might be reading along.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

it's a genocide regardless of what the UN says

GilgameshCatBeard,

You’ve already been reported. Too late.

NoIWontPickaName,

Fine if you want to be pedantic.

The supporting of genocidal actions.

Feel better about yourself now?

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

it's ethnic cleansing. it's collective punishment. it's not a war: Palestine isn't a state. it's a fucking genocide.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

it is a genocide

GilgameshCatBeard,

Go away, stalker!

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

just report the trolling and move on. they clearly stopped engaging in good faith (if they ever were).

NoIWontPickaName,

I am never going to change their mind, I don’t see mine changing either, we both know that and are just leaving it for future viewers to maybe change their minds.

They are a decent person, we even agree on many things.

We just vehemently disagree on a few things.

There is kind of like a Yin-Yang balance to it. Lol

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

>They are a decent person,

my guess is that they would view people like you and i as valuable allies if they met us face-to-face. but this wedge issue blinds them to our commonality. it's bad, too. they have remembered me across threads. i expect they'll continue to treat you poorly, as well.

Pratai,

Oh the irony!!

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

was this a lie?

https://lemmy.ca/comment/7281701

Pratai,

Just thought it was funny seeing you talk about reporting a troll. When that’s all you do here is bait people so you can report them. I mean… willful ignorance and being aggressively obtuse in the face of real-world facts and empirical information is your bread and butter and you’re incredibly successful at what you do…

I’m just here make others aware of what you do here. Nothing insulting, no incivility…. Just the truth.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

flags suck.

NoIWontPickaName,

I would like to chime in here and confirm this started over me

Jax,

I got this far and you know what I see? An idiot trying their best to suggest that “being able to afford a home” and “being able to buy a home” aren’t the same thing.

My god, dude talks about goalposts when they can’t even keep track of what they’re saying. How the fuck are you going to tell me that you’re capable of knowing where the goalposts are when you can’t even keep track of the fucking field? 🤣🤣

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, believe it or not, being able to pay the bills and feed my family is of a higher priority to me. And while we’re at things I can see Trump doing, I’d prefer not to have my queer daughter put in a “conversion therapy” camp.

NoIWontPickaName,

Ah I see.

To me peoples lives are more important than a conversion camp.

Here’s a secret to life, as long as someone is still alive, we can work on helping them.

Once they’re dead though, completely different.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Sorry, are you saying I should prioritize other people’s lives over my child’s?

Are you fucking nuts?

NoIWontPickaName,

You can’t see the difference there, really?

I think you may be being a little shady here, friend, just a little bit deceptive, because I don’t believe that you were stupid enough to not see the difference between supporting the actual physical life of someone and not getting everything you fucking want?

Are you going to be the one putting your daughter in the conversion camp?

No?

Yeah, that’s how the actual conversion camps?

So you’re deliberately trying to make a false equivalence here?

Now you could tell me to worry about other peoples children, but that doesn’t give you the personal grab and shield did it being your own daughter does, does it?

So surely you’re not using loaded language here?

Look at the straight facts, your boy is supporting and directly enabling the killing of 10,000 innocent children.

Ones who will never even get the chance to grow.

That is what you support, you can hide from that fact all you want.

Fuck Trump and Fuck Biden.

They can both die today and we could have 2 more public fucking toilets.

As long as you people keep fucking supporting them no matter what then they will never change.

You people are just as bad as the motherfuckers that have to carry a pistol just to walk to their cars.

You all are letting fear ruin your ability to have anything fucking better.

You are holding the rest of us back with you.

Do you know how many stupid motherfuckers I hear voting for bad people just to “ be moderate” but really they wish they could have insert actual good choice here?

If even half of them would vote for the “not safe” candidate then they would win by a landslide.

Instead people who like the motherfucking status quo hide behind the “safe choice” just so that they can pretend that they are fine with children dying as long as it is far away from them.

Try thinking about something or someone that doesn’t directly affect or connect to you.

“Fuck You, I Got Mine!”, where oh where have I seen that attitude before?

But yeah, I’m glad you can ignore it just because you aren’t affected by it.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That’s a lot of words to tell me that I should, in fact, care about other people more than my daughter.

I sincerely hope you don’t have children.

NoIWontPickaName,

Here, let me shorten it.

Yes, there are times that you should, in fact, care about other people more than your daughter.

I care more about other people when they’re hungry, than my child getting an ice cream.

I have taken the money that I was going to use to get there an ice cream to give to someone that was homeless.

It’s almost like we as adults can understand it worse, things can be happening to someone else that we should divert some type of resource away from ourselves in our families to stop the other thing.

Here’s an easier example, there are people all over America that take money that could be used on their children’s toys during Christmas time,and instead donate that money, so that other children can have things.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Yes, there are times that you should, in fact, care about other people more than your daughter.

No. No there absolutely are not. And if you think that and you are a parent, you should absolutely have CPS called on you.

Your examples have nothing to do with a child’s welfare, which is obviously what we are talking about here.

And my daughter’s welfare, based on what TRUMP HAS ALREADY DONE is at stake here.

You just don’t give a shit because you don’t care about queer people.

Pratai,

It’s nearly impossible to argue with manufactured outrage. They don’t want a logical debate. There will be no logic in their argument. Your stance can come from a place of reason, and humanity- and they’ll still shit all over it because it’s what’s cool to do now.

Neato,
@Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

No all you want to do is shit on Biden because it’s all you do. Apparently adults can’t have a sense of humor.

AnotherAttorney,

Apparently adults can’t have a sense of humor.

… you think Biden actually had any part in posting this? Man probably thinks X refers to the letter.

norbert,
norbert avatar

Aww little rightwingers mad they can't meme as good as Joe.

AnotherAttorney,

*Joe’s intern.

norbert,
norbert avatar

Aww little rightwingers mad they can't even find an intern that can meme.

givesomefucks,

Oh the horror!

Someone wants a functional president who does interviews and addresses concerns of voters!!!

If someone wants that instead of an intern posting shitty memes that means they’re a hater and we ignore every criticism they have!

Kanye fuck West said that’s reality and trump is so far gone that Biden acting like Kanye is totally fine and nothing to worry about!

/S

Fuck off with that stupid shit.

Americans are allowed to want more than the current shit show.

If you want a political party where voters cant criticize an elected official, feel free to try and get republicans back to the middle instead following them to right dragging the dead body of FDRs party.

Candelestine,

At least be honest. You don’t want a functional president, you want a left-leaning one. That’s fine, but at least represent yourself accurately. Otherwise you’re just acting with the same childishness as the guys on the other side of the aisle.

From a pure functionality perspective, he’s gotten a shitload done. Even if you don’t agree with it all, like helping Netanyahu and such.

Maeve,

American “left” is really right and it’s disgusting people with or without critical thinking skills can’t recognize that.

Candelestine,

No, we know, those of us that lean left-for-an-American, anyway. We just don’t want an actual communist state. They have this nasty habit of turning into dictatorships somehow. We at least get to throw our shitheels out of office periodically, without having to resort to violence.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

there is no such thing as a communist state. communism is stateless.

Candelestine,

Right. My bad. State-moving-towards-a-communist-society then.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

i don't want that either.

Full Communism NOW!

Candelestine,

Yeah, I’m not sure there’s a viable blueprint for that. Something has to handle huge moving bands of guys with guns, tanks and artillery. Otherwise they kill you and take your stuff.

assassin_aragorn,

People with critical thinking skills are able to recognize that left and right have different meanings depending on the frame and context. In an American economic frame, Democrats are left, but in a European economic frame their beliefs are center right.

Similarly, in an American social frame, Democrats are left, and in a European social frame, their beliefs are left as well. Labour is disgustingly TERF, and significantly further right than Democrats when it comes to trans rights.

Immigration as well, the American frame tends to be more left than Europe. The recent bipartisan agreement was rather center for Europe, but right for the US. European immigration policy tends to not be as leftist.

Frankly, it’s just economic reductionism to say “the American left is actually right”. I can look at Europe and see pretty clearly that Democrats are solidly left on social issues to the point of exceeding some European parties.

Rolder,

Biden is perfectly functional even if you don’t agree with the specifics. Comparing him to trump is utterly disingenuous. Posting one joke every now and again is a far, far cry from the deranged ranting we see out of trump every day.

givesomefucks,

The issue isn’t the one joke

The issue is he once again skipped the pregame interview. Despite constant criticism of his mental ability, he never sits down for an interview.

Hell give a 5 minute speech or a quick comment. And usually mix up a couple words.

There’s no primary debate, they’ll be general debate, Biden needs to actually show Americans he can at least hold a conversation, and there was literally no better opportunity than the traditional pregame interview.

But he didn’t do that, and people want me to clap for him like an intern doesn’t run his twitter.

Rolder,

If Trump somehow ends up as the Republican candidate again, we won’t get any coherent general debates anyway. And besides, I only ever hear criticisms about his mental state from right wingers as it is, so I find it hard pressed to care.

homesweethomeMrL,

Me, I’m just blocking and moving on. I’ve seen enough of the Macedonian Contractor Troll Farm pablum. They’re in every politics thread now.

And just like the highly suspicious stop oil protests that inexplicably target museums, I don’t disagree with some of their points at all but the way they’re being complete fucking idiots about it means we’re done here.

AnotherAttorney,

Macedonian Contractor Troll Farm pablum

Biden has a worse approval rating than Trump did, and is already projected to get absolutely smacked by him in the next election. Keep thinking we’re trolls lol.

ira, (edited )

Damn those Macedonian trolls must be working overtime to hijack polls to put Biden’s approval 17 points underwater and put him 5 points behind Trump.

Apparently 86% of Americans are Macedonian trolls who think Biden is too old to serve a second term.

All these Macedonian trolls that barely trust Biden more on climate change, gun violence, and abortion than trust neither Trump nor Biden.

Ioughttamow,

You think Dark Brandon didn’t do this? You simple fool…

Uranium3006,
Uranium3006 avatar

I got a chuckle out of it. the real problem with biden is he's funding a genocide abroad while going easy on secessionists at home.

givesomefucks,

He’s got a couple.

But mentioning them in comments or articles gets a shit ton of down votes.

People really think talking about problems is worse than the problems and we should ignore them

OpenStars, (edited )
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

Some people think that Lemmy should be more like 4chan. Downvotes are Life and all that.

Edit: spank downvote me harder please, daddies!

daltotron,

Some people think that Lemmy should be more like 4chan. Downvotes are Life and all that.

wdym? 4chan infamously doesn’t have a ratings system, things are posted chronologically, and the currency is how many triggered idiots you can get to respond to your bait posts, rather than upvotes or downvotes. Which is why the platform tends to be edgy, and contrarian, and full of attention begging half-wits. Rather than devolving into echo chambers, and people posting like 10 inside baseball lowest common denominator references to a TV show’s joke, where they just play out a bit verbatim, like every fucking reddit, or reddit imitator.

OpenStars,
@OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

…

…

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oh. THAT probably explains all the downvotes to my own comment then, thanks! :-P

voracitude,

It’s not because we don’t think problems should be talked about, it’s that you’re comparing a functional adult to Trump and acting like you can’t tell the difference. I’ll help, there’s only one real difference: Biden isn’t a fucking traitor. That’s the one that we care about.

So drop the act, bud. This one is too simple even for the dullards like me to forget: Trump is a traitor, Biden is not, and we don’t vote for traitors.

givesomefucks,

Nope

Biden is a better president than trump, that’s indisputable.

That doesn’t mean Biden is good enough to be president.

Hell, I don’t even know you, but I fell confident you’re better than trump. If you wouldn’t support a genocide, I’d say you’re a better option than both of them.

It’s a pretty low bar, lots of potential candidates not only would be a better president, but more importantly have a better chance of winning the election.

voracitude,

Hey, I want AOC to run, but until then I’m not going to discourage people from voting for the only candidate who’s not going to piledrive the US headfirst into the dirt.

So again, drop the act. Yeah you want a better candidate than Biden, great; that’s not the choice. The choice is Biden or Trump. If you don’t vote for Biden, your voting for Trump. If you don’t believe that fine, stop reading; if you do, there’s nothing more to say anyway.

givesomefucks,

You still don’t get it…

This is the same shit we went thru with Hillary.

Biden is unpopular. He will depress turnout. Depressed turnout is how republican presidents are made.

I hope some day you get that, but I’m not explaining it again.

voracitude,

YOU still don’t get it. On the surface, you act like Biden and Trump are the same, when they’re not. It’s nice you think I’d make a better president than Trump, but a literal rock would make a better president as that’s incapable of treason.

Unless you have a plan to change the Democratic nominee this year, all you’re doing is depressing voter turnout by encouraging people to forget one simple fact: Biden is not a traitor.

I do hope you’ll understand someday soon, but until then you can have this block, because I’m not explaining it again.

NoIWontPickaName,

How many genocides did trump actively support?

Fucking 0?!?!?!?

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

You mean besides the one he wants to start when he’s elected?

ny1.com/nyc/…/trump-hitler-vermin-nazi-biden

There was also his threat to nuke North Korea, which would be a genocide.

nbcnews.com/…/trump-discussed-using-nuclear-weapo…

Then there was his threat of cultural genocide in Iran…

npr.org/…/trump-says-hell-target-iran-s-cultural-…

And of course there’s the genocides that Trump wouldn’t admit ever happened.

abcnews.go.com/International/…/story?id=58055717

www.cnn.com/2019/12/17/politics/…/index.html

As far as his Israeli policy? He acknowledged that Israel’s claim that Jerusalem, a city divided between Israelis and Palestinians, was Israel’s capital, pretty much ending any hope for peace.

apnews.com/…/1d4e1824283f41eaa8422227fa8e6ea7

So sure, he did not literally directly support an ongoing genocide… but I think it’s clear that he would.

NoIWontPickaName,

He threatens a lot of shit.

Lmk when Mexico pays for that wall.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Good job ignoring every single link I posted and only going with the very first sentence of my post.

I’m assuming you didn’t even read the rest based on that.

NoIWontPickaName,

I don’t think he will be able to pull it off.

I care more about the fact that Biden sold himself to us as a good guy and turned around and did this.

To me the man turned his back on my loyalty to him, and he just continues to do so.

He says “Oh no too violent” then sends more bombs

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Why don’t you think he will be able to pull it off?

Are you aware of Project 2025?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

NoIWontPickaName,

I’m also aware of project Mexico will pay for the wall , yet I see no wall and what little bit of it did get made we paid for

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

That was not a united Republican project. That was a Trump claim.

Do you really not understand the difference?

NoIWontPickaName,

This was 10,000 dead children, 20,000 innocent people, if we believe Israel’s estimate of every strike getting 1/3 Hamas and 2/3 civilian.

Do you really not see the difference?

I do not trust Biden anymore, I did and then he did this.

What’s next?

You are afraid of what trump says he will do, I’m more afraid of the next thing Biden doesn’t say he will do.

I had a thing typed out but my conscience won’t let me directly root for someone to die early.

So, it would be best for the world if neither of them were valid candidates before November.

Failing that, alive things can be fixed.

Dead is just dead, no take backs, no trying, just done.

Every single one, 20,000 second chances to succeed, 20,000 potential chances to be the one to end the war, 20,000 potential chances to elevate the rights of queer people everywhere, gone.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

No, I’m afraid of what Trump will do based on what he has already done.

But you’ve already told me to allow my daughter to suffer as long as she doesn’t die for the sake of others, so I’m not really interested in your opinion.

assassin_aragorn,

He committed more US troops to help the Saudis against Yemen.

NoIWontPickaName,

So maybe after trump wins this time you guys will meet us on the side of supporting a president that isn’t sending bombs to kill innocent children.

If you keep letting them support genocidal actions win the vote when someone else would have easily won just by not supporting genocidal actions, then you get what you deserve.

Have fun dealing with your shit sandwich, maybe after trump 2 electric boogaloo y’all will stop supporting the killing of innocent babies

Algaroth,

Trump absolutely sent bombs to kill children. Sometimes he even authorized the drone strikes himself. Trump has also proven to be a massive supporter of Israel so I don’t see why people think it would be better or even different with Trump.

kmartburrito,

Plus he’s a rapist and a traitor, and a racketeer, a compulsive liar, narcissist and many other terrible things we should never see in a president.

NoIWontPickaName,

Did we lose 10,000 of them directly because of his actions?

Or did we lose those because Biden decided to directly support Israel?

Algaroth,

As opposed to every president the US has had since the 1940s? Quit avoiding the question. Do you honestly believe it would be better under Trump? Or can you be honest and admit it would most likely be even worse and that he would also let Russia steamroll Ukraine?

NoIWontPickaName,

Do I honestly believe it I don’t know. It would probably be better for us in America if Biden won.

But here’s the thing I don’t care what the rest of the presidents did

It was wrong when they did it. It’s wrong now.

Does them doing something else wrong make it right for me to do something wrong?

How many dollars per life are you willing to trade before you say fuck you were not supporting any of y’all give us something real.

Long-term, maybe trump 2 will wake people the fuck up like we thought they did with a version one.

See the problem was people look at Trump and think oh we beat him. It’s over and they don’t remember how bad it was.

So now it’s time to make it bad again today so they remember more next time.

You’re asking us to stand with you, but saying what we care about doesn’t matter.

If y’all don’t care about any of us, why would we stand with you?

I won’t stand with them either.

Fuck you both, figure it out yourselves.

I’m not going to be with you to keep the status quo. I want something better.

Algaroth,

Trump is the end of democracy in the US. Not something better. You’re either a disingenuous troll or there is something seriously wrong with your brain. Blocked.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

oh, do me, too!

Algaroth,

Gladly.

bigMouthCommie,
@bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

@Algaroth thank god

assassin_aragorn,

Apparently, they think you should be willing to let your child be tortured in a gay conversion camp to stop the Palestinian genocide, and that it’d just be like not giving your kid ice cream because of world hunger.

They’re delusional, and I hope to God they’re just young and naive.

Algaroth,

Yeah. Even if you ignored all of Trump’s Nazi rhetoric and persecution of minorities I don’t get why they think Trump would stop the genocide in Palestine. Netanyahu is exactly the kind of strong man bully that Trump idolizes.

NoIWontPickaName,

I don’t think he would. That’s why I didn’t vote for him either.

assassin_aragorn,

We don’t actually know because the Trump administration removed transparency on drone attacks. Could’ve been 5000. Could be 20000. It certainly does not bode well that they hid that.

NoIWontPickaName,

Better a traitor than a genocidal action supporting motherfucker.

voracitude,

They’re not mutually exclusive and Trump will do the same or worse as has already been seen.

Also, you’re wrong.

NoIWontPickaName,

See you say that, but he was in office and we still supported 0 genocides.

So the total score is 0 genocides to 1

MegaUltraChicken,

This is a perfect example of why you shouldn’t be taken seriously. The idea that Biden is supporting genocide and that Trump didn’t and/or won’t is absurd on its face. There’s nothing wrong with criticizing Biden or his administration, but you’re misleading (at best) when you act like Biden is the greater threat. He’s not. That’s an objective fact. Anyone arguing otherwise is not operating in good faith.

NoIWontPickaName,

So, you are applying what you think might happen compared to me applying what has actually happened.

MegaUltraChicken,

History hasn’t happened? Trump didn’t enable a shitload of dictators already? He hasn’t constantly expressed adoration for authoritarians around the world? He hasn’t explicitly stated he would do the same thing again? Trump, the person who was so tough on Bibi? Trump, the person who moved our embassy in Israel?

It’s like history reset the moment Biden was inaugurated. All the horrible awful shit Trump has and will continue to enable doesn’t matter anymore for some reason (or it straight up didn’t happen apparently). You’re living in a completely different reality than the rest of the planet I guess?

If you said “Biden is bad because of X and Trump is worse because of Y” we’d be having a totally different conversation, but you don’t want to do that do you? You said none of it happened. You don’t want to make that comparison because it shows us one of two things (maybe both idk):

  1. You feel that GOP control of our government is better than Democrats.
  2. You have no idea what you’re talking about.
NoIWontPickaName,

Fuck Trump and fuck Biden. They are both public toilets waiting to happen.

Show me someone else, oh wait even ducking Biden admits 50 other democrats could beat trump.

We all know that you guys will vote for whoever it is, so that means that y’all are sticking with him.

I assume out of fear, you could run a fucking solid commie against trump and it wouldn’t change his fucking stats much.

This is an anti trump fucking fight and the figurehead doesn’t matter, you are proving that right now, and could have run anyone and the people whose main goal is “not trump” would not change.

MegaUltraChicken,

Show me someone else, oh wait even ducking Biden admits 50 other democrats could beat trump.

None of which ran. You’re absolutely right, the figurehead doesn’t matter at this point. That’s why spending all of your time bitching about Biden, who is the most viable option RIGHT NOW, and completely ignoring that there is literally one other option is pointless. You’re just trying to convince people the best of two bad options is still bad. Everyone knows that. How is that productive? There is not a single progressive candidate that can win the 2024 general election for president. This has already happened. You cannot change your options for 2024. There is Biden or Trump. Those are your options for the general election. You don’t like Biden, great. Join myself and all the others working on primarying conservative Democrats (like Joe Biden) out of the party.

And again, if you think Biden and Trump are equal threats: you have no idea what you’re talking about.

assassin_aragorn,

You do realize that Israel was not suddenly funded and armed by the US when Biden was elected, right? Trump’s administration gave them plenty of money and weapons, and showed strong support for Netanyahu. He empowered an apartheid regime, and when recently asked about the Palestinian genocide, he said he wouldn’t accept any Palestinian refugees.

So, your position puts you in favor of denying Palestinian refugees while their genocide continues. You’d prefer for Trump to have a genocide of 1.5 (or whatever denying genocide refugees would be worth numerically) vs Biden at 1, because Trump happened to not be in power when Israel decided to use their weapons from the US to ramp up airstrikes.

Oh! And you are aware that this genocide has been going on for a while now right? Not just since 2021? So Trump was not only in support of a genocide, he was buddy buddy with Netanyahu. At least Biden seems to hate the man.

I truly don’t understand your logic. You’ve willfully contorted yourself to give Trump a pass to instead criticize Biden.

NoIWontPickaName,

Fuck Donald Trump. Is that clear enough for you?

I never thought Biden’s was that great of a present, but he was exactly what I expected, a middle of the line milquetoast gonna pull off what he can thing.

Then he kept giving weapons to the Israelis, I can’t forgive that.

assassin_aragorn,

Unfortunately these are the two options you have. One of the two will happen anyway even if you abstain.

homesweethomeMrL,

Is correct point of view, though. Many people see great leader like Putin and agree that elections of weak Biden are not good. I too am a concerned Leftie Swift who is also transgender and of color.

Maeve,

They’re both poop, so just preferring the smell of one steaming pile over the other doesn’t make it better. Turning and burning in the sun and fertilize healthier crops may.

WidowsFavoriteSon,

Biden has been one of the most progressive presidents in decades. But you didn’t get your cookies and milk, so he’s poop. Got it.

Rolder,

But trump also supports Israel and thinks Israel should have exclusive claim over Jerusalem??!

suction,

Exceptionally misguided comment (EGC)

morriscox,

Trump skipped the White House Correspondence Dinners.

givesomefucks,

And we all know we can’t ask for anything better than that…

morriscox,

Have you watched them? I find them to be hilarious no matter who is being joked about or by.

HuntressHimbo,

I get the gut reaction to say ‘haha epic burn’ or whatever, but this makes me really uneasy. I don’t think an official presidential account should be addressing this through a meme. Right wingers are going to lose their minds over this, but that scares me more than amuses me at the moment. Someone already got decapitated by their son over MAGA conspiracies this year, so meming about it feels really really reckless to me.

RagingRobot,

Idk I think that making fun of the conspiracy theories and joking about them is a good way to kill their credibility. Not addressing it at all would probably only lead to it persisting longer.

Serinus,

Looks like it was his personal account, not the POTUS account.

HuntressHimbo,

That does alleviate some of my misgivings, still not my favorite idea but its better that it wasn’t on an official government account.

TheKingBee, (edited )
@TheKingBee@lemmy.world avatar

Right wingers are going to lose their minds over this, but that scares me more than amuses me at the moment.

They will lose their minds over literally anything, they created this whole conspiracy out of thin air and hatred of women.

Someone already got decapitated by their son over MAGA conspiracies this year, so meming about it feels really really reckless to me.

That happened anyway, avoiding making fun of them (by pointing out what they say is nonsense) won’t make their delusions go away.

Shenanigore,

“Dark Brandon” isn’t no right wing thing, there was a team of PR guys creating pro Biden memes leading up to the last election, to compete with the more natural pro trump memes being made. They were obviously not made by your usual trolls because they weren’t fucking funny.

Pratai,

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    •
    Shenanigore,

    I don’t think you understood what I wrote. Read it again with the partisan chip off.

    Pratai,

    deleted_by_author

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    Shenanigore,

    doubt

    TokenBoomer,

    So much for bringing the country together.

    Gradually_Adjusting,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    Is that really the mandate we gave him in 2020? To mend our social fabric? I don’t think that’s on the table no matter who’s the president for the foreseeable future, if I’m honest.

    TokenBoomer,

    From his inauguration speech:

    My whole soul is in this. Bringing America together, uniting our people, uniting our nation. And I ask every American to join me in this cause. Uniting to fight the foes we face - anger, resentment and hatred.

    It’s what he said he would try to do.

    Gradually_Adjusting,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve seen you around and I know you’re too smart to be mistaking rhetoric for policy. I want that for America too, but it’s hardly realistic. The fact is that civil wars have to be properly dealt with from the jump, or they fester into insurgencies. That’s what this is, and it’s not over at all. I hope we make it.

    TokenBoomer,

    I agree. I’m just taking note of the hypocrisy. If he had tweeted the Dark Brandon pic captioned with “ Trump will be arrested next week.” That would have been much better. Stop with the mocking of his supporters, they’re deplorable. Cut off the head of the snake.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    It would be funny if israel didn’t start bombing Rafah during the super bowl killing at least 67 people while israel played their $7million 30 second Super Bowl commercial about khamasss to brainwash Americans.

    “All according to plan” with the laser eyes Dark Brandon might not be the best timed meme after that.

    ILikeBoobies,

    It’s unrelated

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    The Genocide that happened during the Super Bowl is unrelated to Biden posting a meme about his “secret plan” that was executed during the Super Bowl?

    ILikeBoobies,

    Yeah obviously

    It’s about that silly conspiracy that he had fixed the Super Bowl for the Chiefs to win

    Darkblue,

    Probably.

    More probable than the scenario you’re painting. I mean, if Biden did have anything to do with that, he wouldn’t put a spotlight on it by tweeting about it. (And no, don’t start to accuse him with “distraction” or “false flag” tactics, that’s just doubling down with conspiracy theories, we’re better than that)

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Of course it’s not intentional but it was insanely bad timing nonetheless.

    While Biden is in hot water over his Genocide in Gaza his campaign goes making Homelander style tweets at arguably the worst timing possible.

    The real meaning of the tweet was likely supposed to reference the stupid right wing Taylor Swift conspiracy of the super bowl being rigged but now Biden is getting flak from both the right and the left for entirely different reasons.

    andxz,

    You sound like Biden personally started the clusterfuck in Gaza.

    Spoiler alert: he didn’t.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    You sound like Genocide Joe didn’t personally bypass congress to give the IDF 15 million in tank and mortar shells to commit Genocide with

    Spoiler alert: he did.

    andxz,

    I’m aware. You on the other hand should read the definition of ‘personally’.

    There’s a whole swathe of right-wing Israeli characters you could blame before ever getting to Biden. Unlike him, they’re all adamantly unapologetic about the whole thing.

    Unless your only agenda is badmouthing Biden you should probably at least try to get your facts straight.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    No literally Biden personally bypassed Congress in December.

    andxz,

    Yes, but he still didn’t kill anyone personally, nor did he order anyone to get shot, unless you can prove otherwise. I’d love to see you try.

    batmaniam,

    It’s not. He’s in office during a crisis and directly involved. It’s not some big conspiracy but this is why “celebrity” politicians are a bad idea. You don’t get to shit post if you have access to nuclear weapons. Is it funny? Sure. But all it did for me was solidify how out of touch democrats are right now.

    daltotron,

    nooo but our heckin epic presidenterino! that’s MY president! he’s really sticking it to the woke libs, or, no, I mean the nazi chuds! he’s really sticking it to them! he’s such a le ebin troll, guys! he’s a master baiter! he posted this personally for our salvation! I’m sure this will help his poll numbers! don’t forget to vote for our heckin ebin president now guys!

    I have brain worms. the situation is not looking good. the libs are just as broken as the chuds. maybe even more, in certain respects. it’s all about respectability politics and proper order, until the president, personally, at the age of 81, posts a meme, definitely him and not some intern. then it’s time to shit on the “other side”, even though they all agree on the most basic premises, and just not on what level of racist they should be.

    a9cx34udP4ZZ0,

    Good point, I’m sure if we had Donald Trump in office, Israel would stop immediately. There’s never been anybody tougher on Israel than Trump. For instance he… checks notes… moved our Embassy to Jerusalem after decades of US presidents refusing to do so and single-handedly set peace negotiations back 50 years.

    But I guess when your entire post history is ripping Biden on the Israel situation you can’t really do much else or the boss won’t pay you.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Sorry when did I mention Trump again?

    GladiusB,
    @GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

    Don’t play coy. You know that is the alternative. I agree that it shouldn’t be happening. But it doesn’t help anyone to act like they don’t have a point.

    bigMouthCommie,
    @bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

    i am not voting for either of them, and no one should.

    Soulg,

    Then you’re voting for Trump.

    bigMouthCommie,
    @bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

    I said I'm not voting for trump.

    I mean to vote for Cornel West. Jill Stein could still win me though

    Gradually_Adjusting,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    Vote third party down-ballot by all means, because alternatives need a wider base to start taking more of the spotlight. However, the current voting system is a devil’s bargain. If you refuse to play the game, you lose anyway.

    A_Random_Idiot,

    a third party vote is just an indirect vote for republicans and their fasciastic fetishism.

    bigMouthCommie,
    @bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

    the only ways i can lose is if a democrat or a republican wins

    Gradually_Adjusting,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    As Calvin Coolidge said, “you lose.”

    bigMouthCommie,
    @bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

    sounds like the kind of thing someone would say if they were trying to suppress the vote.

    Pratai, (edited )

    Just popped in to say-

    A throwaway vote can’t be suppressed, because it doesn’t matter one way or another. It’s like adding a grain of sugar to a family-sized chili recipe. It’s irrelevant. So go ahead and drop it in there…. It isn’t going to make the slightest difference.

    No one is trying to suppress your vote. You’re not a victim here. Now you’re free to respond as you predictably will- I’m not going to argue with you and get any more comments removed or banned from any communities. I said what I said for the benefit of anyone reading along, and not to engage with you or your attempts to bait people.

    bigMouthCommie,
    @bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

    this is mask-off telling people not to bother voting for their candidate.

    Pratai,

    No, it isn’t.

    maypull,

    if on election day, an hour after teh polls open, everyone calls the election for cornel west, and people say “you can vote for one of the genocidal maniacs, but it won’t matter. they can’t possibly win”, no one would characterize that any way except voter suppression.

    bigMouthCommie,
    @bigMouthCommie@kolektiva.social avatar

    thank you

    Pratai,

    For starters, you need to look up the definition of genocide and stop using it incorrectly as an argument. Secondly, saying someone is irrelevant and pointless isn’t suppression. It’s an opinion.

    I never once suggested that anyone shouldn’t vote for them. THAT would be suppression.

    maypull,

    I think we just have different ideas of what voter suppression looks like.

    Pratai,

    Well, I follow this definition.

    maypull,

    I wasn’t arguing about the definition of genocide. it’s a pretty outlandish hypothetical for you to be worried about that.

    Pratai,

    I wasn’t arguing it either…. But you called the two options “genocidal maniacs” which is an incorrect usage of the term.

    maypull,

    in this hypothtical, those are the other two options. I would know: I wrote the hypothetical

    Pratai,

    Again, I’d ask you to look up the definition of genocide.

    maypull,

    ok. you look up hypothetical, and we can meet back here to discuss!!

    Pratai,

    I’m not going to agree they’re genocidal for the sake of continuing a discussion. Either we both adhere to reality, or we’re done here.

    I don’t do hypotheticals.

    maypull,

    my whole comment was a hypothetical. so… bye.

    Pratai,

    If making up an altered reality is what it takes for you to participate in a discussion, you might want to look into how things are in reality and try and work with that. It’s a lot easier for everyone if the rules are the same.

    maypull,

    I assumed everyone here had a similar level of reading comprehension. that was my mistake. have a nice night.

    Pratai,

    The person who got called out for thinking that using hypotheticals is an easy way to manufacture a win in a discussion/debate is an accusing me of poor reading comprehension?

    Yeah.

    maypull,

    there is a lot to unpack there, but i don’t see the point. you said you were done so … leave.

    Gradually_Adjusting,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    That isn’t what’s happening right now though, is it? If Cornel West wins the election, you are hereby allowed to message me, find and meet me, and punch me in the dick, up to fifty times, and then I will give you my wallet, eat my hat, and shit my pants.

    So in summary what I am telling you is that Cornel West will never be president in 2024, not in any universe, because that is not how this flawed and adversely designed big evil system works. And if stating a plain fact, regrettable though it may be, is voter suppression in your mind, then we simply speak different languages, and I will wish you a happy whatever you call Tuesdays in your reality.

    Pratai,

    VERY well said.

    Gradually_Adjusting,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    If they did cash in on this bet, I’d be laughing the whole time.

    maypull,

    your mockery doesn’t change whether it’s a voter suppression tactic

    Gradually_Adjusting,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    They feebly croaked. I’m devastated for you.

    maypull,

    your mockery still doesn’t change the facts

    jordanlund,
    @jordanlund@lemmy.world avatar

    Cornell West won’t be President because (so far) he’s only on the ballot in Alaska. He had a chance as a Green Party candidate, he has no chance now.

    Gradually_Adjusting,
    @Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

    Beside the point really. He was F’ed from the jump

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Jill Stein? Cornell West?

    Certainly you’re not suggesting anyone to directly vote for someone that supports israel’s Nazi style genocide right?

    SpacetimeMachine,

    When the alternative is letting an actual Nazi type leader win, people should be weighing their options accordingly.

    Linkerbaan,
    @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

    Indeed, so don’t vote for Genocide Joe or Agent Orange.

    Instead vote for someone that isn’t a genocidal Nazi.

    HuntressHimbo,

    The alternative to the meme being unfunny? I feel like you’re replying to a whole paragraph of text that doesn’t exist in the original comment and acting like the original commenter is unreasonable for not knowing what you’re talking about. Is there some edit I’m missing here, or can you literally not fathom any statement about something Biden does outside of the context of the election?

    A_Random_Idiot,

    We’re not allowed to criticize israel, remember.

    Criticizing israel is antisemetic, or pro-trump, or (insert convenient negative connotation here)

    Strawberry,

    Do you unironically believe that this lemmy commenter is getting paid to express anti-genocide views? You sound insane

    TokenBoomer,

    It was just a locker room tweet.

    RememberTheApollo_,

    It’s crazy. Any leftie knows this is a plain joke while the wingnutters on the right take every facet of it seriously. Meanwhile, trump says some pretty terrifying shit and means it, but the right has to translate it as “he was joking.”

    BeardedGingerWonder,

    Not a USer, what I find utterly bonkers is seeing clips of them discussing the dark Brandon conspiracy on fox news, like it’s real and relevant political discourse. Wtaf is wrong with that portion of you population.

    laughterlaughter,

    Wtaf is wrong with that portion of you population.

    They would get along quite well with brexiters. Some segments of the human species are… special.

    cabron_offsets,

    They’re servile morons.

    zerog_bandit,

    My sneaking suspicion is that a majority of the adult population has passed well beyond the sub-acute level of lead exposure and is now showing the side effects.

    Lead paint, TEL, 100LL.

    RememberTheApollo_,

    Raised on evangelical TV preachers and AM radio talk show hosts. The more radical, fire, thunder, brimstone, and fear you can throw at them theatrically the more they love it. Think WWE, carnival freak show barkers, snake oil salesmen…they eat it up. Used to be there was this view of an intelligent, reserved country folk that whiled away their time reading and listening, having a plain sense of what’s right. A quaint image. The lot of them have been taken in by hucksters and proudly show off the Emperor’s new clothes.

    Zink,

    Am USer. I have no explanation, but I can assure you that being up close to this shit doesn’t help it make any more sense. I come from a conservative white family in a mostly white area, and sure I can see how people get into that insular world and are conditioned to reject rational inquiry, but at the same time we live in the information age, people!

    CosmicCleric,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    but at the same time we live in the information age, people!

    The Younger generations do at least.

    Shanedino,

    The problem is that there is too much information. And information doesn’t come with a disclaimer of whether it’s fact, opinion, conspiracy, or otherwise batshit.

    CosmicCleric,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    News organzations should not be allowed to express opinions, but only recite news.

    drivepiler,

    We have passed the age of information, we have entered the age of misinformation.

    Zink,

    Upvoted with a frown of agreement on my face.

    oce,
    @oce@jlai.lu avatar

    Or went back to it? I think there was only a short period of time in human’s existence when only the intellectual elite could reach the public with the new technologies because it was too complicated or pricey for the common people. Now we’re back to bar-room level of information quality.

    CosmicCleric,
    @CosmicCleric@lemmy.world avatar

    Or went back to it?

    Now we’re back to bar-room level of information quality.

    /disagree

    There used to be something called The Fourth Estate (of Government). Used to be.

    oce,
    @oce@jlai.lu avatar

    Was that press accessible for the average people at that time? Everybody being able to read is fairly recent too.

    redfox,

    Did people think more critically before? Or maybe there was limited dissemination in the past? Crazy BS maybe didn’t travel as far?

    I’d like to think we could differentiate between fact, opinion, and BS more in the past, but that’s probably not true.

    Zink,

    I think learning everything about the world from the random unqualified people around you is exactly how most people in history have done it. As long as it’s a person you like and they say it with confidence, it will probably stick.

    But now it is easier to see that process happening and avoid it. It’s also easier to locate authoritative sources of information.

    Except… even though this works for many of us, it paradoxically makes the problem WORSE for a huge number of people. We have easier access to all the opinions out there, but that means any given shitty opinion has the potential to reach millions rather than somebody’s social circle.

    redfox,

    I agree. What I have no idea about these days is how to solve this.

    It might be a ‘there is no solution’ type problem, but it would be nice if more people and organizations as a whole recognized this issue.

    Maybe publishing questionable information over a long period of time or our lack of holding orgs and individuals accountable contributed. I’d think it hard to legislate accountability without reducing freedom or speech, press, and opinion (that isn’t toxic, but that’s subjective and part of the problem isn’t it).

    lolcatnip,

    They’ve joined a cult.

    urist,
    @urist@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    The US is very dysfunctional for anyone but the upper middle class. We all see our taxes taken out of our check, and the services provided to us are very limited: no working healthcare system, limited affordable housing, abusive elder care industry, few social safety nets, student debt & cost of education, etc.

    One party (Republicans) is convinced the government is broken (it has lots of problems) and their solution is to… break it more. They throw a lot of red meat to their voters (hatred toward minorities, LGBTQ+) to keep them energized and distracted. They also seem to be literal fascists lately, and are breaking our voting systems through pushing misinformation to make people distrust our institutions.

    The other party (Democrats) ignores their progressive supporters and pushes milquetoast half-meassures to solve problems. They are weak, inept. However, they aren’t interested in literally erasing LGBTQ+ people or marginalizing racial minorities. Nor are they interested in breaking our democratic processes.

    Corporate-owned media has been pouring gasoline on this trash fire the whole time. I hate people who do this whole “both sides” shtick (Because the parties are not the same, it’s fascism vs a party that still seems to believe in democracy), but that’s what I think of when I see things like this . This is an article about how right wing talking heads are pushing some conspiracy about Taylor Swift and the Super Bowl, and it appeals to that part of my brain who wants to laugh at dumb people who disagree with me. But I have to point out, nobody actually cares.

    People are lonely and bored and are making how they vote into rooting for some sort of sports team. You can see it in the replies to your post: someone called the right wing a “cult”. I’d like to say there is some grand conspiracy where corporations are dividing the working class but the truth is probably far more bland: Rage gets clicks, and this is dividing us. It’s not hard to do because the USA is a very flawed place with a lot of wealth inequity.

    JasonDJ,

    some right-wingers seemed to suggest that occasional camera shots of Swift had dubious, manipulative intent.

    Oh lawd. I hope they are just as concerned about the cuts to SpongeBob and Patrick in their box. They had a box!

    And Usher was pulling some serious MJ vibes with that rhinestone glove. I bet that means Epstein is involved somehow.

    redfox, (edited )

    We have no idea!

    I’m interested in what it’s like to live in a country where the culture, society, people are more…United. I don’t mean all the same.

    I don’t think the melting pot saying is true anymore. People don’t want to blend together, lack of a sense of community or pride, nothing to be proud of anymore?

    Lots of get mine mentality.

    dumpsterlid,

    Unfortunately the terrifying thing is nothing is actually physically wrong with those people that is making them believe crazy shit. They don’t all have dementia or something.

    America is just so dysfunctional that it shoots perfectly normal people off the deep end into crazy (very hateful often) conspiracy views like a particle accelerator shoots protons into stuff to make them explode. Some businesses actually target that as their explicit business model here (YouTube).

    LarmyOfLone,

    Think of it as “throwing shit against the wall and seeing what sticks”. That is the role of intellectuals or pundits, whatever you want to call the class that disseminates ideology / PR. There are lots of them and they spout all sorts of crazy stuff. Now basically it’s like the theory of evolution through natural selection. Except as individuals we are intelligent and can make decisions like “oh that sold clicks” or “oh that helped pass that law”. Who decides that? Well those who work for those that own everything and who see it as their job to increase profit.

    So basically ideology is like a secretion of a specialized class that is filtered and selected to “work”.

    So my theory is that after decades of wealth transfer and increasing inequality, dwindling middle class and lowering of effective quality of life, you need “stronger secretions” to control the masses. Because the old ideology doesn’t work any more. One word for it is late stage capitalism.

    Another environmental aspect that plays into this I think is climate change - since we already failed to prevent what could result in our extinction or at least in countless genocides, what social contract remains? Why even pretend to be civilized when our civilization obviously has gone insane? Like a decadent indulgence in an orgy of hatred. Or just insanity like in “Don’t look up”.

    yokonzo,

    Remember to vote this year yall

    JasonDJ,

    Vote early, vote often!

    Taco2112,

    Wait, this is a joke? I’m pretty sure we talked about the Chiefs winning the Super Bowl at the annual “You didn’t vote Republican so you’re part of the Deep State” meeting back in August

    Oh shit, was I supposed to keep my mouth shut?

    j4k3,
    @j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

    ‡★¿! 👾😎👉👌

    Donkter,

    🍆🍆🍆💯👁️

    SendMePhotos,

    It goes both ways. Jacob Frey (Mayor of Minneapolis, MN) took some heat from the left within the last week for a joke that he made. He, being a Democrat himself, made a joke about the remote workers having a… What was it… Nasty cat blanket and being losers?

    Blank,

    He wasn’t joking though. Capitalism go brrrrrrrr.

    zalgotext,

    The difference being that the mayor’s “joke” was dreadfully unfunny

    m13,

    “It goes both ways”

    Lmao. No it fucking doesn’t.

    Phegan,

    While it was a joke, the meaning behind it is the problem. The agenda wrapped in the joke is that we should all go to the office and serve our corporate masters. Joke or not the message is still rotten.

    SendMePhotos,

    That’s fair.

    nova_ad_vitum,

    “it goes both ways” followed by something completely and utterly different.

    umbrella,
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    cringy as fuck how they are trying to make that old fuck look cool.

    RememberTheApollo_,

    That’s part of the joke, genius. We all get it, an old dude trying to be cool is funny, yet that self awareness is cool, so therefore he’s cool to an extent because we also get that it’s deliberate.

    What about the other cringy old fraud who thinks he can run the country into the ground? Is being a piece of shit what passes for cool on his side?

    umbrella,
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    its a real bad joke. it might have been amusing last time, this time its just condescending.

    young people are not fond of you because of your warmongering, and what you do is try to ironically win the apparently dumb youth but making cringy jokes instead of like… actually putting a stop to the bad shit you do?

    is your baseline now Trump? that aint a high bar.

    RememberTheApollo_, (edited )

    Warmongering? You don’t know me. I’ve been against every damn war we’ve stuck our noses in for decades.

    Dark Brandon? Far less condescending than the people who made up the whole “Brandon” thing in the first place? Can’t handle a little “in your face”?

    Typical for the kind of people that are fine with the whole “let’s go Brandon” thing. They’re perfectly happy to trash talk but whine when someone deservedly dishes it back.

    Edit: The comment about trump being low AF is the only thing I agree with.

    umbrella,
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    what are you even saying man. regardless of whatever culture war ‘brandon’ thing, here are some facts as i see them: your current leader declared 3 avoidable wars that are currently ongoing. he has broken up the biggest strike of our time, which might actually have got you worker rights.

    is fascism ok because the perpetrator is somehow way more polite now?

    RememberTheApollo_,

    Way off base. Not even gonna tackle that, no way to reason you out of a position that you got yourself into without reason.

    God luck.

    umbrella,
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    youre bot gonna acke it because you have no argument.

    appreciate the attention anyway, have a good day.

    Stanwich,

    Totally… why cant he have a little more class like trumps artful nfts cards? /s

    umbrella,
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    a literal fascist is your benchmark on how bad you are allowed to be?

    kandoh,

    Say what you will, but the libs single handedly destroyed fashwave as an aesthetic with the Dark Brandon stuff.

    umbrella,
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    thankfully

    assassin_aragorn,

    There’s probably a lesson there, that co-opting and humor are really good ways to castrate fascist messaging.

    kandoh,

    Biden calling himself Dark Brandon with fashwave imaginary is like if the emo kid parents started listening to MCR, dressed in tight black and pink clothes, and planned trips to go see them in concert.

    It just obliterates any coolness the scene would have.

    umbrella,
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    i’d be inclined to agree if it wasnt something new being used by another fascist. this is just meant to target different kind of people.

    pottedmeat7910,

    Yeah, I think it’s weird when they photoshop Trump’s head on Rambo’s body as well… But that is besides the point.

    umbrella,
    @umbrella@lemmy.ml avatar

    thats… exactly my point tho

    Rebooturwayout,

    I love how the Biden camp has embraced the alt rights madness, with hilarious effect.

    TropicalDingdong,

    https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/698d6eff-fb89-4278-af0f-3514b968d17e.webm

    dejected_warp_core,

    Ooh, an anamorphic Travolta meme. That’s rare.

    Also: internet looks okay to me too. Man I love this site.

    Maeve,

    Kelce behaved badly and deserves benching and fining.

    DrSleepless,

    You wanna bench and fine him, eh? Nudge,nudge!

    Maeve,

    Lol; not what I find fine, but you elicited a fine, audible chuckle.

    assassin_aragorn,

    Bench and fine Kelce (Taylor’s version)

    nutsack,

    badass man

    ohlaph,

    So damn hilarious.

    peopleproblems,

    Fucking brilliant

    xc2215x,

    Good for Joe.

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