Nazis mingle openly at CPAC, spreading antisemitic conspiracy theories and finding allies

At the Young Republican mixer Friday evening a group of Nazis, who openly identified as national socialists, mingled with mainstream conservative personalities, including some from Turning Point USA, and discussed race science and antisemitic conspiracy theories.

Cylusthevirus,
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So there's definitely a Zionist wing of the party. What's gonna happen when they come into contact with the Nazi wing of the party?

fluxion,

They all set aside their differences and appreciate their true goals of enriching themselves through being fascist bootlickers

Maeve,

Absolutely.

Ensign_Crab,

They bond over their shared love of genocide.

TakiMinase,

They did nazi this coming.

Linkerbaan,
@Linkerbaan@lemmy.world avatar

Zionists tell Jews to get out of America and go fight brown people in the middle east.

Being a Nazi and trying to get Jews to emigrate go hand in hand.

One 1937 Nazi plan was to send all the Jews to Madagascar.

HeyThisIsntTheYMCA,
@HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah that worked great with Liberia.

jonne,

It seems like a lot of Nazis tend to make common cause with Zionists. Remember that the first plan the Nazis had was to deport all the Jews, so having them all in one place is fine by them.

bigbabypuddingsnatcher,
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Ethno-nationalists gonna ethno-nationalist

TexasDrunk,

A lot of racists don’t think they’re racist because they don’t hate “others”, they just think they belong in their own place. They’re angry that the “others” are where they are.

They’re still raging pieces of shit. I’m just sharing some of their thoughts. Being a white drunk in Texas gives me the opportunity to hear all kinds of dumb shit.

PrincessLeiasCat,

Relevant username, and can confirm.

audiomodder,

They’re the same wing. They believe that the current Jewish state isn’t Jewish enough and that the true Judaism is actually Christianity.

I wish I was kidding, but I actually know people that fall into this camp.

DarkGamer,
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A lot of the support of Israel is not because they like Jews but rather because many evangelicals believe supporting them will hasten the apocalypse.

A 2017 LifeWay poll conducted in United States found that 80% of evangelical Christians believed that the creation of Israel in 1948 was a fulfillment of biblical prophecy that would bring about Christ's return and more than 50% of Evangelical Christians believed that they support Israel because it is important for fulfilling the prophecy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism

Supervisor194,
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This is the increasingly stupid part. The fuck are they gonna do when Christ gets back? He’s a straight up communist, they have no use for him. Hmm… I wonder.

DarkGamer,
DarkGamer avatar

They imagine him as supply side Jesus, and they don't really care about accuracy. Evangelical leaders say they are rejecting the teachings of Jesus from the source material, calling it, "weak," and, "liberal."

grue,

Also, shipping the Jews off to Israel means they’re away from here. Zionism could be restated as “Jewish removal.”

captainlezbian,

Exactly. They don’t like when some of us say that Jews belong in our communities alongside us non-Jews. When we encourage people to celebrate their presence as an important part of our community and culture

speck,

Goddamn we are a bonkers species. Really gives credence to the idea of memetic evolution, at least to me

merc,

The Zionist wing of the Republican party doesn’t care at all about Jews. They’re Christian fundamentalists who believe that the Jews need to control the holy land so that Jesus can come back and end the world. They only want the Jews in Israel long enough to fulfill that purpose, then they want them to be wiped out and go to hell.

teft,
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Are you telling me the group that used a nazi symbol as the shape of their stage is now openly affiliating themselves with nazis?

Quelle surprise!

ThatFembyWho,

No that can’t be.

Conservatives are always telling us how Nazis were actually left-wing… it’s in the name, socialists?!

How quickly they forget, once the racist and antisemitic nonsense circulates.

And if anyone is wondering:

  • Human rights for Palestinians = not antisemitic
  • Nazis at CPAC = 100% antisemitic
spider,

Does anyone remember this?

House GOP Conference Chair Elise Stefanik, R-N.Y. — who recently went viral for engaging in a contentious exchange with university presidents at a congressional hearing on antisemitism — on Saturday praised the resignation of University of Pennsylvania President Liz Magill.

“One down. Two to go,” Stefanik wrote on X. “This is only the very beginning of addressing the pervasive rot of antisemitism that has destroyed the most ‘prestigious’ higher education institutions in America.”

So where the f**k is she now, during CPAC? Is she hiding out or something?

TheJims,

Conservatives and Republicans are synonymous with Russians and Nazis. The CPAC convention is the indisputable proof.

DragonTypeWyvern,

Wonder how many Nazis Ben Shapiro’s going to take selfies with?

Rapidcreek,

In other news:

Skiers mingle openly at ski resort.

Golfers mingle openly at country club.

Trekkies mingle openly at ComicCon

stringere,

This year, however, some attendees and former attendees have expressed frustration with the conference’s stronger association with Trump and his wing of the party.

If I was frustrated that Nazis are co-opting my political party, I’m kicking them out or leaving the party that welcomes them.

Anything less, you’re part of a Nazi movement.

peopleproblems,

i mean if you look at history, there wete nazi sympathizers and enemies of the nazis.

A lot of things in this world are grey. this is not one of them.

Everythingispenguins,

Weirdly enough Hitler somewhat co-opted the NAZI party. Riping out any real socialism. Not how that matters here…

DoctorSpocktopus,

Goebels was actually quite put out by Hitler not meeting his socialist dreams, but all was forgiven when he got to propagate massive antisemitism instead

Custoslibera,

I’m pretty sure Röhm was much more of a socialist.

Goebels was a sycophantic piss baby.

DoctorSpocktopus,

In late 1924, Goebbels offered his services to Karl Kaufmann, who was Gauleiter (Nazi Party district leader) for the Rhine-Ruhr District. Kaufmann put him in touch with Gregor Strasser, a leading Nazi organiser in northern Germany, who hired him to work on their weekly newspaper and undertake secretarial work for the regional party offices.[41] He was also put to work as party speaker and representative for Rhineland-Westphalia.[42] Strasser founded the National Socialist Working Association on 10 September 1925, a short-lived group of about a dozen northern and western German Gauleiter; Goebbels became its business manager and the editor of its biweekly journal, NS-Briefe.[43] Members of Strasser’s northern branch of the Nazi Party, including Goebbels, had a more socialist outlook than the rival Hitler group in Munich.[44] Strasser disagreed with Hitler on many parts of the party platform, and in November 1926 began working on a revision.[45]

Hitler viewed Strasser’s actions as a threat to his authority, and summoned 60 Gauleiters and party leaders, including Goebbels, to a special conference in Bamberg, in Streicher’s Gau of Franconia, where he gave a two-hour speech repudiating Strasser’s new political programme.[46] Hitler was opposed to the socialist leanings of the northern wing, stating it would mean “political bolshevization of Germany.” Further, there would be “no princes, only Germans,” and a legal system with no “Jewish system of exploitation … for plundering of our people.” The future would be secured by acquiring land, not through expropriation of the estates of the former nobility, but through colonising territories to the east.[45] Goebbels was horrified by Hitler’s characterisation of socialism as “a Jewish creation” and his assertion that a Nazi government would not expropriate private property. He wrote in his diary: “I no longer fully believe in Hitler. That’s the terrible thing: my inner support has been taken away.”[47]

Joseph Goebbels | Wikipedia

Custoslibera,

Yeah keep reading that same article.

It’s goes on to say how Goebbels abandoned his socialist undertones when Hitler convinced him that it was a Jewish plot.

DoctorSpocktopus,

Yes, which was my original point?

Everythingispenguins,

Hey sometimes you have to pivot, it is always good to have backup goals. /s

Eldritch,

Just because it needs to be pointed out every time. If they were frustrated by fascists/Nazis co-opting the party. They’re 100 years too late.

The father and grandfather of 2 American presidents was implicated. As well as the head of JP Morgan at the time. No one was punished, or called out even. And the history of the incident has largely been completely scrubbed out of existence.

stringere,

According to Katz, “Prescott Bush was too involved with the actual Nazis to be involved with something that was so home grown as the business plot.”

It’s ok, Prescott wasn’t plotting to overthrow the US with those fringe Nazis, he was too busy working with the real Nazis!

Ensign_Crab,

I mean, that’s all CPAC has ever been for.

Sterile_Technique,
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Oh, you mean this CPAC?

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/d169716c-ab94-487c-bac5-845e13530aa1.jpeg

That is not an edited photo.

kerrigan778,
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mindbleach,

Swastikas would be pretty cool if not for one group of assholes.

Symbols mean what they’re used to mean. All words are made-up.

Kedly,

Can we take that rune back? I’m pretty big on family, although the patriotism bit I could probably do without

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Kedly,

Hell yeah, loyalty to your local tribe of weirdos(said affectionately)? I can fully get behind that. When I finally save up enough to get my shoulder tat, I’m gonna include Othala into it

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Kedly,

So I finally found some time to read your link and do some general googling found a bindrune created by the “Wayfarers Mark” tumbler called the Initiate’s Bindrune that I like. I’ll definitely look into this stuff more than I have already, and I thank you for showing me this world

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Kedly,

Yeah, I went and looked up the meaning of all the runes thanks to that chart laying out which ones were in it,and overall I’m happy with each of the vibes conveyed. The only vibe I’m not sure I identify with are the fertility vibes, but eh, I’m not AGAINST fertility vibes xD Its shape is also something I could see easily being incoporated with a “tribal” pheonix tattoo that was already going to be my eventual tattoo. I’m definitely down for further rune chats! Also I apologize for how long it takes me to respond to you, you seem like a cool person, so I’ve been waiting til I had the energy for proper responses before I respond

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AngryCommieKender,

They did the same to the bent cross. There’s one on the Baha’i House of Worship in Wilmette, IL. It’s there because the house of worship was designed and dedicated in 1912, so yeah WWI hadn’t quite kicked off at the time

…wikipedia.org/…/Baháʼí_House_of_Worship_(Wilmett…

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AngryCommieKender,

Even though it is an Abrahamic Religion, the founding concept is Unity Through Diversity. They forgot that El, aka Yahweh, was a God of War back in The Bronze Age Collapse, and focused on the hippy commune part of Christ’s teachings.

Everythingispenguins,

Wait fuck is that real?

Qwaffle_waffle,

I’m out of the loop, what does that symbol mean? Not sure how I would look it up without a name or something.

magnusrufus,

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Othala

I can never remember the name of the thing but after digging through some “cpac stage symbol” searches it seems to be called the othala rune or the odal rune.

Qwaffle_waffle,

Thanks for the info!

Everythingispenguins,

It is the runic letter Othala. It is just a letter in the runic alphabet. Beyond being a letter though often runes had an individual meeting or association in the cultures that used them.

It, along with many other symbols were adopted by the Nazis. Now among white power groups it is has a meaning of racial purity. “Keeping the white race pure”

Oh and the picture is real I looked it up.

VindictiveJudge,
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To be fair, that rune looks really easy to make by accident.

SkyezOpen,

Nah, the design choices by themselves are pretty fucking weird.

Everythingispenguins, (edited )

Maybe but if you look closely at the stage. it is Othala with wings. There are little feet that come up off the legs. An iteration that I believe is exclusively used as a white power symbol. At best it was a massive fuck up, at worst it was a dog whistle. Though ultimately it is a dog whistle, for the people who this symbol has meaning will see it as one.

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Qwaffle_waffle,

Thanks for the info, I only knew of the swatiska one really , didn’t know that group used several symbols. Kind of not wanting to dig too deep and be flagged is why I don’t know, I guess. Much appreciated for sharing the awareness.

Everythingispenguins,

Yeah that is fair, it is hard to keep track of everything especially with co-opted symbols. I know I can’t. Though here is an okay rule of thumb with Nazi shit.

Does it look “Viking/old Germanic”? No - probably not a Nazi, Yes - maybe a Nazi

Is the person using the symbol new age hippie looking? Yes - probably not a Nazi, No - maybe a Nazi

I know that leaves a lot of vagueness, but it is a good place to start. Then you can double check any suspects symbols.

Just remember different groups can have vastly different ideologies and look somewhat similar. For example the SHARPs (Skinheads Against Racial Prejudice) are very anti Nazi. But just looking at a group of them you might be confused. As they tend to be mostly militant white young men wearing leather with shaved heads.

captainlezbian,

I hate that that’s not even incorrect as I’ve met multiple Norse pagan antifascists. One common line from them is asserting that Odin is the all father not the some father.

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TheBat,
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Make it curvy and it becomes HIV/AIDS symbol.

merc,

You mean the shape of a ribbon? Ribbons have been used for all kinds of symbols.

TheBat,
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Yes but in this case just make those angles not-pointy and the symbol will look like:

https://www.pngitem.com/pimgs/m/61-610960_awareness-ribbon-black-aids-institutions-logo-hd-png.png

merc,

Yes, and it’s a ribbon shape, nothing to do with AIDS in particular.

eran_morad,

Just republican shit.

Alto,
Alto avatar

So how long until they just go back to being outright silver shirts

grue,

They’re there. This is that.

ramenshaman,

Hey I just read about those assholes in Rachel Maddow’s book!

homesweethomeMrL,

But this year, racist conspiracy theorists didn’t meet any perceptible resistance at the conference where Donald Trump has been the keynote speaker since 2017.

At the Young Republican mixer Friday evening, a group of Nazis who openly identified as national socialists mingled with mainstream conservative personalities, including some from Turning Point USA, and discussed so-called “race science” and antisemitic conspiracy theories.

One member of the group, Greg Conte, who attended the deadly 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, said that his group showed up to talk to the media. He said that the group was prepared to be ejected if CPAC organizers were tipped off, but that never happened.

Another, Ryan Sanchez, who was previously part of the Nazi “Rise Above Movement,” took photos and videos of himself at the conference with an official badge and touted associations with Fuentes.

Other attendees in Sanchez’s company openly used the N-word.

republiQans: this is you

antidote101,

Yeah, that’s fine. You can’t really stop citizens participating in politics just because their political position is prejudice and deranged.

You can only stop their participation when they make violent threats, or otherwise break the law.

Of course I imagine CPAC are a private organisation, so have their own policy/ruling they enforce.

Nudding,

You punch Nazis.

antidote101,

You might be able to have any groups found to be affiliated with Nazi beliefs labelled a terrorist organisation, as they’re essentially established to spread hate and fear towards Jewish people.

But without that legal framework adjustment you will probably get arrested if you’re caught punching a Nazi.

So where’s the campaign to have these groups defined as terrorist organisations? I would support that.

Nudding,

If you’re looking for sensible legislation that takes the average voter into consideration then you’re in the wrong timeline my friend. We have rising fascism and neoliberalist genocide apologism here.

Syrc,

But, as you said, it’s a private organization, focused on Conservative Political Action. What’s discussed there should more or less fit the agenda of the Republican Party, I figure if someone goes there and starts preaching socialism they’d get kicked.

The fact they aren’t kicking Nazis is at the very least admitting they’re not opposed to their ideas, and if we follow the Nazi bar analogy, they agree too.

antidote101,

Agreed, appealing to groups of disgruntled white men along racial and gendered lines is a long standing part of GOP strategy.

This is not the first time they’ve been involved with White Nationalist and Supremacist movements. Nor is it accidental.

Telorand,

It’s not “fine,” because your actions are determined by your beliefs. They’re not going to these events simply to share an ideology or philosophy, they’re going to gain recruits for an intended purpose.

gregorum,

How do you spread Nazi rhetoric at CPAC? Sell merch? Because one would think market saturation would already be at 100% for that sort of ideology at an event like that.

Skullgrid,
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come on now, you can’t have enough nazi flags. they find room for it on their jumbo trucks

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