JoshuaHolland,
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Just take note of how little national coverage thousands of Jews shutting down Grand Central Station to demand a ceasefire gets tomorrow.

JoshuaHolland,
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Younger people may be surprised to learn that tens of millions protested the invasion of Iraq and the press basically ignored it.

LexiGirl,
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@JoshuaHolland the press covered it. It was the politicians who ignored it.

Catawu,
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@LexiGirl @JoshuaHolland Media barely touched it. Buried in in repetitive war mongering segments. There was ONE photograph of a protest in Spain where more than 1 million people attended. Spain said it was a million. The US press said “Several thousand…”

LexiGirl,
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@Catawu @JoshuaHolland Australian media covered it extensively. So did the British media as I was living in the UK at the time.

paulbam3,

@LexiGirl @Catawu @JoshuaHolland
Australian media also described Australians who protested against the Iraq war as "the Mob" (Charles Wooley interviewing PM John Howard). Dunno about the UK media, but Oz media were all in on the war-mongering.

ajsadauskas,
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@JoshuaHolland Michael Moore captured the scale of the protests in the music video he directed for the System of a Down song Boom.

It's worth watching as a reminder of just how big and global those protests were:

https://youtu.be/bE2r7r7VVic?si=JhWxoKLzlKq-Cqds

What's a little disheartening now is how many of the talking heads who were cheerleaders for this war are still around, especially in the Murdoch/Fox News media.

The likes of Sean Hannity, Tucker Carlson (then on CNN), Wolf Blitzer, were all big proponents. Likewise, Andrew Bolt in Australia.

Most have not acknowledged the long-term consequences of invading Iraq and Afghanistan, or their role in it.

Countless people were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. And for what?

Iran ended up being the big winner of regime change in Iraq. It would not be anywhere near as powerful as it is today if not for the Iraq war.

The emergence of Isis was a direct consequence of the Iraq invasion.

Meanwhile, the Taliban is still in power in Afghanistan.

And once it became apparent how big a screw-up it was, Dubya pushed the Palestinian Authority for elections in Gaza to get "a quick win" in the Middle East.

Hamas won those elections. We can see how well that worked out in the long term.

Those long-term consequences still haven't fully played out yet.

All this to secure access to oil, at a time when we already knew that burning fossil fuels causes more frequent and severe bushfires, heatwaves, droughts, floods, and forest fires.

And the most disheartening thing has been the lack of any reckoning or serious institutional introspection over it all.

zleap,
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@JoshuaHolland

Some schools disciplined students who protested, other schools sat down and had conversations.

nilsskirnir,
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@JoshuaHolland And that the US government. and media blacklisted folks who didn't support the war.

3dogcouch,
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@JoshuaHolland I had then (& have now) no sense of the numbers of ppl who felt like me but felt terribly alone & intimidated.

MarvinFreeman,
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@3dogcouch @JoshuaHolland I felt the same way. My sorrow started as soon as 9/11 triggered the irrational bloodlust and gave sway to the morons who thought the US should and could reshape the world with its military.

schalken,

@JoshuaHolland The February 15 2003 protest in Rome supposedly involved three million people. All for nothing. Peacefully parading doesn't get us very far.

benchwhistler,
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@JoshuaHolland and our governments certainly did.

bishop,
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@JoshuaHolland @BlippyTheWonderSlug Yep. I was one of the protesters.

BlippyTheWonderSlug,
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@bishop @JoshuaHolland
🤣 Ditto. Lost my job because of my antiwar shenanigans.

(No huhu. I never had issues finding work in my field(s).)

billjurgensen,

@JoshuaHolland an illegal war based upon manufactured intelligence.

danbeeston,
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@JoshuaHolland @darklyglassdarkly Oh that was so disheartening.

12thRITS,
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@JoshuaHolland But our invasion and occupation of Iraq worked out GREAT, so no harm no foul.

grumble209,
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@JoshuaHolland It is easy for politicians to ignore peaceful, nonviolent protests, even when they are massive and fill the streets and parks.

If your protest doesn't scare the elite, they will ignore you.

CartyBoston,
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@JoshuaHolland Teddy Kennedy voted against the invasion, and was ignored. Hillary voted for it.

KFClinton,

@JoshuaHolland

We went to a protest at the UN. Bush was speaking inside and the streets were filled with signs all over that area of Manhattan.

The police put up cages near the UN and we had to stay in them if we were near the grounds. If you were in the crowd further North or West there were no cages.

It was a freezing cold day. Estimated 200k spread out on many streets.

NY Earth Day in 1970 had 20M No Nukes in 1982 had 1 M.

nomadnewyork,

@JoshuaHolland but of course it was before the days of social media and cell phone videos. It was the era of aol, alternet , Netscape, blogs and maybe MySpace I guess

JohnLoader6,
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@JoshuaHolland as did the politicians

Bron1954,
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@JoshuaHolland I clearly remember going on a march in Melbourne against Iraq. It was curious that tens of thousand of citizens knew there were no WMD's and our elected politicians didn't.

Barbramon1,
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@JoshuaHolland The protest I attended in January 2003 in Boston was at the time the biggest one in that city since Vietnam War.
I attended countless more, before and after Bush's shock and awe attack on Iraq. In February I marched for peace with hundreds of thousands in New York City, while millions did the same worldwide.
I cannot recall how many protests I was a part of. I do remember that mainstream press consistently downplayed them, often grossly misrepresenting the size of events.

selzero,
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@JoshuaHolland

I was there

bwbeach,
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@JoshuaHolland Yep. I was in a group that protested every week for a year in the middle of town in Columbus IN, right on state highway 46.

I tried a bunch of different signs. The one that the truckers and pickup drivers liked the best was “Beer Drinkers for Peace”. 🍻

ErrorCrater,
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@JoshuaHolland the problem was, we all went home. we should have shut everything down. one day of marching holding signs accomplishes nothing.

CJPaloma,
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@JoshuaHolland …as predicted...I rarely go to aggregator sites because of this. But Google's US news section is making NO mention of it at all, I scrolled through 37 topics before giving up.

Waterloo2,

@JoshuaHolland American media loves killing

MadeyeTheCarnaptious,
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@JoshuaHolland

The in Scotland didn't report similar demonstrations in the country last weekend. It's not just the US media.

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