StillIRise1963,
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Before millions died in WWII, they were just like you. Living their lives, seeing friends and family, going to work. Things can change very quickly.

benny,
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@StillIRise1963 just saw a German toot somewhere saying more or less this:

  • On January 30th 1933 Hitler became chancellor in a legal way (appointed by the president)
  • 4 weeks later the first concentration camp opened
  • 6 weeks later parliament was deprived of power
  • 6 years later the war started
VeroniqueB99,
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@StillIRise1963 And Europe still remembers... the old timers are still here and cannot believe what's happening. They cannot fathom that their children could go through what they went through... they thought it was over.

KatM,
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@StillIRise1963 Yep. Just like that. Poof. Old life gone.

mastodonmigration,
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@StillIRise1963

So true. Recently watched the new Netflix series World War II From The Frontlines. It uses colorized and processed original footage. The thing that is mesmerizing is the faces of the young people in the run up to war so full of anger, hate, righteousness and enthusiasm. For them it is tremendously exciting and passionate. Of course, things don't go so well, but the deluded joy and carnival atmosphere of the pre-war scenes is haunting.

mastodonmigration, (edited )
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@StillIRise1963

In the same vein, if you have never read Mark Twain's The War Prayer, highly recommended.

https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_War_Prayer

StillIRise1963,
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@mastodonmigration Thanks! I'd never read it before.

mastodonmigration,
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@StillIRise1963

Discovered the first link was not the entire text. Replaced with a full text WikiSource link.

Have a hardback version, and read it every year or so.

PamelaBarroway,
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@mastodonmigration @StillIRise1963 I recommend the recent Ken Burns documentary The US and the Holocaust. A searing primer on how things went downhill fast as (most) people sat on their hands. It’s a long 3-parter, but worth the watch. Still steaming free on PBS: https://www.pbs.org/kenburns/us-and-the-holocaust/

mastodonmigration,
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@PamelaBarroway @StillIRise1963

Thanks for the recommendation. Recently stumbled on this fascinating article comparing 2024 US to 1940 Norway. Same complacency. Same failure of imagination for the possible.

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2024-01-13/dictatorship-donald-trump-norway-nazis-world-war-quisling

AndrewHS,
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@mastodonmigration @StillIRise1963

I had not read this before, very powerful.

darnell,
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@mastodonmigration @StillIRise1963 I remember reading about fascism in World War 2 in school & I thought I would not see state sanctioned persecution in my lifetime, let alone the crowds promoting it.

Fast forward to the present & the number of people indifferent towards how the is embracing an authoritarian who fans the flames of nationalism (religious, cultural, & racial) is shocking.

I am nervous, but I hope wins in November.

StillIRise1963,
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@darnell It never crossed my mind we'd be here at this time. Never.
@mastodonmigration

mastodonmigration,
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@StillIRise1963 @darnell

Same. When the "Tea Party" movement started up in the 2000s it seemed like a bunch of losers who had wacky ideas and liked to get dressed up. Never imagined there would be so many of them, or that a TV con man would become their spiritual leader and ride it all the way into the White House.

But, seems like this kind of attraction to authoritarian (I alone can fix it) personalities runs deep in a big cross section of every society.

maddad,
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@darnell @mastodonmigration @StillIRise1963

The best way we can stop that slimebag is to vote him out.
Inside I am hoping that he is locked up long before November.

mastodonmigration,
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@darnell @StillIRise1963

That's why these historical references are so powerful. The same type of group think passions have been exploited over and over again through history to marshal support for the most horrific atrocities. It's something terrible about human nature that we seem destined to repeat.

annietime,
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@darnell @mastodonmigration @StillIRise1963 It’s weird . As a librarian, I, and my colleagues were deeply concerned by the Patriot Act. We scrambled to figure out what we would do if the government sought out the library records of our patrons. As I signed one online petition against it after another, I would think about if fascism really took over our country, they’d find me pretty fast. But I never believed for an instant that our country could succumb to fascism. How foolish I was.

ambulocetus,
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@darnell @mastodonmigration @StillIRise1963 They are going to cheat. They will do everything they accuse us of doing. Voting might not be enough. Many Republican voters are absolutely the worst people, but there are some who are merely deeply misinformed. When the only place they obtain information is Facebook and Fox News, it's impossible to make informed decisions. Some minds can be changed, and we have methods that they didn't in the 30s and 40s. Methods of helping those who can be helped. Methods like Motivational Interviewing, Street Epistemology, and Deep Canvassing. Not everyone can do these, but some people are naturals at it. If we don't change the minds that are changeable, it could get really ugly.

annietime,
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@ambulocetus @darnell @mastodonmigration @StillIRise1963 I am absolutely assuming that if Biden wins, the Republicans will cry fraud and incite another coup.

ambulocetus,
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@annietime @darnell @mastodonmigration @StillIRise1963 That's still better than the alternative. Let them riot. That means more of them go to prison. We can't give in to fear, because that's what they want. Never do what your enemy wants you to do.

StillIRise1963,
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@ambulocetus Never. Always do the opposite.
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qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm,

@StillIRise1963 And which side was to blame for this war (WWII) in the first place? What do you think?

StillIRise1963,
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@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm I think I'm blocking your ass, that's what I think.

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