fosstodon,
@fosstodon@fosstodon.org avatar

Here's our position on the "Facebook joining the Fedi" mess...

https://hub.fosstodon.org/facebook-fosstodon-fedi

happyborg,
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@fosstodon this completely missed the point.

It doesn't matter if some, many or even most, misguidedly flagged privacy concerns.

What matters is who Meta are, not what they do when they are allowed in.

They should not be a part of something that was created as a response to their abusive, sociopathic and damaging business model. That admins think the folks who came here should "wait and see", is ridiculous IMO.

So I'm looking for instances that will block Meta right away.

Suggestions?

kev,
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  • happyborg,
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    @kev @fosstodon You too Kev.

    fedi,

    @happyborg

    List of instances that will be blocking Facebook's fedi servers:

    https://fedipact.online/

    JoshStrobl,

    @fosstodon I appreciate the measured and sensible approach by Fosstodon. Not the biggest fan of Facebook myself, but not gonna prejudge anything they may come out with, especially if it ends up being based on the same foundations of ActivityPub.

    Anam,

    @fosstodon I need help. I am willing to pay for a consultation....Anyone?

    ferranc96,

    @fosstodon Have you reached a consensus by now? I've seen the email re. the meeting offer and it looks like is leaning towards non-federation with

    3laws,

    @fosstodon big oof and big red flag on Meat's part for wanting an off the records conversation with ANY Mastodon admin or maintainer, most likely because they'll talk about their patented monetization model that they plan to use.

    fij,

    @fosstodon completely agree with this. Good job.

    Topslakr,
    @Topslakr@fosstodon.org avatar

    @fosstodon I really appreciate this measured, facts and actions based, response.

    lulu_powerful,
    @lulu_powerful@fosstodon.org avatar

    @fosstodon I think Meta will try to eat the fediverse from the inside, like a cancer.

    But I also trust that the admins' only agenda here is to run a safe, interesting and sustainable instance.

    So I'm concerned (insert a Marge Simpson grumble here!), and I would have taken a harder stance, but I guess I understand the unwillingness to ban something that doesn't exist yet. :)

    oceane,

    @fosstodon

    > However, we don't know what this thing is yet.

    Don't worry, the abuse survivors bandwagon has got you covered!

    Here's a bit of bibliography on the topic:

    Berger, Peter and Luckmann, Thomas: “The Social Construction of Reality”, 1966
    Debord, Guy: “The Society of the Spectacle”, 1970
    Foucault, Michel: “Discipline and Punish: The Birth of the Prison”, 1977
    Goffman, Erving: “Asylums: Essays on the Social Condition of Mental Patients and Other Inmates”, 1961

    There are more arguments related to the history of Facebook, their infamous “buy, copy, or kill” strategy, the fact that they can wait for years before starting to degrade an ecosystem, or that they're larger than mastodon.social by the same order of magnitude than between mastodon.social and a single-user instance, so please, when a trans woman tells you to run, run. ❤️

    edgren,
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    @fosstodon "So if this service introduces any issues that could negatively impact our users, we will defederate."

    Does that mean that you 2 will disappear from any Mastodon instance? Or does it mean that you will shutdown Fosstodon?

    moisture9776,

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  • toni,
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    @fosstodon When you say you will wait to 'weigh the advantages/disadvantages', what possible 'advantages' could there ever be to federating with a service run by a known fascist megacorp?

    simon,
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    @toni being able to talk to your friends who aren't currently on the fed @fosstodon

    toni,
    @toni@blahaj.zone avatar

    @simon @fosstodon I can do that already. We don't need to compromise the fediverse to do that.

    simon,
    @simon@fosstodon.org avatar

    @toni you asked what possible advantages there could be. objectively speaking, if meta chose to, it could theoretically open up a means of seeing friends updates who are currently only on meta social platforms @fosstodon

    0xDEADBEEF,
    @0xDEADBEEF@fosstodon.org avatar

    @toni
    Good for you. Your reality is not necessarily others' reality. If it bothers you, don't migrate to.fosstodon.
    @fosstodon @simon

    toni,
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    @0xDEADBEEF @fosstodon @simon Don't worry, I won't. Just trying to understand the reasoning of allowing a corporation that has enabled genocide a free pass.

    simon,
    @simon@fosstodon.org avatar

    @toni @fosstodon @0xDEADBEEF thats a definite "con". but you asked what possible advantages there could be. i am being objective and finding potential advantages in answer to your question. it doesn't diminish the negatives, or the weight of them., but they also don't just disappear either.

    toni,
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    @simon @fosstodon @0xDEADBEEF Okay so your answer was flippant. I meant 'advantages that outweight the already known disadvantages', not some minor convenience thrown to us as scraps.

    simon,
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    @toni not at all flippant. i'm just not ignoring that there will be items in the advantages column as well as disadvantages.

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