“Those are the two choices. It's kind of like, one is old and effective and compassionate, has a heart, and really cares about people. And one is old and has been charged with 91 felonies.
"I don't understand why this is even a hard choice."
@flexghost
Get over yourself?...
Let them eat cake I guess.
Pretty breathtaking narcissism there.
This is the neocon darling who abetted the humanitarian disasters in Syria and Libya, and along with the Democrat party, presided over falling life expectancy, the opiod crisis, people opting to die because of skyrocketing healthcare costs, sending our manufacturing capability to China and now saber-rattling for war with same. Maybe she should skip brunch sometime and pay a visit to flyover country
@summas Ahh. The reply of a spoiled brat who grew up without adversity and won’t get off mom’s couch without someone passing an impossible virtue test.
@flexghost Here here! "...what needs to be challenged is the assumption that voting should be seen a form of individual self-expression rather than as an act to be judged on its likely consequences" - Noam Chomsky
And she is delivering a hard message in an antiempathetic way, which was her problem eight years ago as well.
This feels like telling a cancer patient to “get over it.”
I’m saying this as a soon to be candidate. I am using empathy and compassion as the foundations of my campaign, highlighting the work the party I’m upping with has done to improve the lives of my neighbours. Browbeating them is the opposite of helpful.
@flexghost There is the whole genocide thing to think about. One of them is clearly and enthusiastically (he is a proud zionist afterall) funding and arming a genocide. Oh and not delivering on the student aid thing. Oh oh and the obvious signs of dementia. The hard choice is there is no choice. You get nothing but two crappy sides of the same dysfunctional coin.
@flexghost Name calling is for children. I assume you were brought up better and this is just a momentary failure of decorum because the internet can be a toxic place. You have not denied any of the claims I have levied against the current potus. Genocide is a big voting issue for me. Innocent people being murdered with my tax money is a huge voting issue. If the democrats want to win they have to start putting up good candidates. They have failed to so since Obama.
@fiend_unpleasant because you haven’t made serious claims. Just buzzwords you have no grasp of. I grew up in Syria where there is actual genocide. Never once have I seen a spoiled brat American leftoid give a shit. It’s never been trending.
Go be a hashtag warrior somewhere else. I see through your white knight bullshit
@flexghost How have I become undeserving of decorum? You publicly posed something disdainful, quoting probably the worst candidate the Democrats have ever run, and I responded with facts. You don't know me, and frankly if this is how you often carry yourself I'd rather not know you.
That being said I actually have protested the Syrian genocide. I will admit that it had fallen out of my view.
Growing up as part of the diaspora, we Irish know genocide and will never support those who commit it
You are not a serious person. Enjoy your watermelon emojis and empty platitudes. I’ll go ahead and use my money to fund Biden’s reelection as well as all non alt left candidates.
she's right about voting in a general but can you then admit that the duopoly means corporations only need to also corrupt the Democratic primary system to make any progress slow to a crawl? #RankedChoiceVoting
that's a yeahbut answer that doesn't have immediate bearing on the choice before us in November. I've actually run for elected office at a local level. Politics is boring, Sisyphean and unglamorous. However, the work required to cultivate a legitimate third party must begin at the grassroots, hyperlocal level. People who parachute in, flounce and decry a system w/o putting in the effort to change it are dilettantes.
it's an honest response that argues for doing what you want today but also doesn't dismiss people with serious concerns about a political system that won't fix much before most of us die and the environment becomes irreparable. Politics is compromise. I am saying people should do what you want and only asking that you acknowledge what has happened to the party since FDR, but especially Clinton and the DLC. And you both respond with a personal attack.
@wjmaggos@flexghost I did not issue a personal attack. Any attack is inferred. In this particular instance, however, I would say that a hot dog hollers. You also appear to exhibit both reply guy and sea lioning behavior.
saying something is a yeahbut answer isn't personal? Saying you "actually" ran for local office and then adding people who decry a system w/o putting in the effort to change it are dilettantes isn't an implied put down?
PS. I've been involved in campaigns, ran one for a friend and worked for a governor. but he had serious problems with the party establishment when he tried to push basic reforms. I've argued with Rahm about the DCCC involvement in a congressional primary.
@flexghost those who don’t understand the stakes of this election are mercurial, capricious, deeply unserious people who are operating from a position of privilege. If you were to meet me in person, you’ll know that I’m not prone to hyperbole or histrionics (bc it’s not effective). If Trump gets elected, I believe he’ll be removed by his owners and a more capable, palatable despot will be installed. He’s a placeholder. The toe in the fascist door. That’s why the VP is so crucial.
@mckra1g sew also: hashtag warrior and TikTok PhDs Who rarely read beyond headlines if that. People who Informed their moral compass by TikTok streamers and can change opinions with a slight gust of wind. People who say they are for maligned people yet have no history supporting any group who wasn’t trending
People who have faced little if any real adversity and people who will gladly burn it all down because of a temper tantrum
@flexghost hear hear. Perfectly stated. For these individuals, politics is a parlor game, a diversion and/or a cynical means to game algos to drive revenue or relevance. It fucking pisses me off.
@flexghost She LOST to Donald Trump. Do I need to say anymore?
We need a president who has a clear vision and plan to make our country better and won't bow to this awful 2 party system we have. Luckily that candidate is running in the 2024 election: RFK Jr.
And, you know, an outdated electoral college system that was created at a time when even statewide elections were typically not possible and worked to perpetuate slave state retention of power.
@flexghost I know a couple people who’ve fallen for Russian propaganda about Biden’s age.
Histrionics similar to those of trumpers.
That part is unfortunate.
There is no legitimate reason not to vote or vote 3rd party.
I hate what’s happening in Gaza. And Ukraine.
I don’t think any POTUS could be doing better w any of it.
Biden has done more for WTP than any POTUS in how long?
Many many moons.
Also, good thread to mute people. I get the outrage.
We must be smart-now more than ever
@RiaResists well said. Look how many brand new accounts. Look their history in awe of the depths of stupidity mixed with misplaced anger. Looks like we need to fight the alt right and the alt left for this one
@flexghost
It always puzzled me why a big amount of Americans hate Hillary. The ones who hate her the most are women. Women that don’t tolerate her assertive direct way.
@Twitter_expat Because she likes hot sauce. That, and the campaign against her since the 90s lead by the same people who engineered the deep divide we are enjoying now.
@flexghost "compassionate, has a heart", and loves to send weapons to a genocidal tyrannical regime to exterminate their occupied people so they can build more housing for themselves.
@leean00@flexghost It is perfectly fine to be dissatisfied with the two party system. As long as you go vote for Biden and a continuation of democracy in November. And make anyone who is thinking of “sitting this one out” get off their ass and vote Biden too.
Also, Biden has been surprisingly effective, particularly in the face of the congressional clown show that’s been happening the last couple years. So it’s not even that dissatisfying to vote for him!
@anclement@flexghost I don’t think this is aimed at moderates. It’s aimed at liberals who don’t like Biden but hate Trump and are thinking of not voting.
Biden’s reaching out to Haley voters is aiming for moderates.
It's not the way to win over progressives either. We need hard proof that this isn't just the latest in a long line of voting for the lesser of two evils.
@underpantsgnome@anclement@flexghost You’re not going to get it because 3rd parties do not have enough upward momentum to make their presidential runs anything more than spoilers, and the Democratic party only wins in this tilted, FPTP system if it is a big tent.
The solution is to build up name and party recognition of 3rd parties in local and state elections, and to primary centrist Democrats in safe seats with left wingers.
@underpantsgnome@WhiteCatTamer@anclement@flexghost of course it's "voting for the lesser of two evils". Voting always is! You look at the options, weigh which one would be the least bad for you and then fucking vote for them like an adult.
Who in their right mind sits there and says "oh, I thought it would be fine to let the greater evil in"?!
The US needs root and branch electoral reform but it ain't getting it without a revolution, and guess which lot are keener on that?
@anclement@flexghost She lost because Russian trollfarms told young white guys that the DNC had robbed Bernie of the nom, and the answer was to vote third party. Enough of them believed this bullshit that in the upper Midwest swing states where their percentage of the electorate was high enough, it made the difference.
It wasn't moderates. It was white dudes with mommy issues who were boneheaded enough to believe actual lies.
@textualdeviance@anclement This. The Bernie bros and Jill stein simps wanted to have a temper tantrum and they’re going it again in true Skyler fashion
@anclement@flexghost We had low turn out because a significant portion of the US genuinely figured it didn’t make much difference, so they stayed home. This is the message BernieBros were parroting, fed by Russian trolls.
I don’t know that there was a winning strategy at the time. Hillary was the victim of years of right wing conspiracies, and Bernie was never going to win once the general election came around. Few believed Trump was the existential danger he is.
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