rolle, (edited )
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Most notable Twitter-like microblogging services 2023

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darnell,
@darnell@one.darnell.one avatar

@rolle #Threads recently released the ability to edit posts—but only up to five minutes after the post is created (#Mastodon does not give you a time limit—but they do alert those who reply to the post if any edits happen).

sarajw,
@sarajw@front-end.social avatar

@darnell @rolle do they alert those who replied too? I thought it only alerted those who boosted..

jraedisch,
@jraedisch@mastodon.social avatar

@rolle after Twitter Mastodon and Nostr seem the most interesting to me. The rest bring nothing new to the table.

Peperlito,
@Peperlito@boitam.eu avatar
Tertle950,
@Tertle950@mastodon.social avatar

@rolle needs an "active users" row

voxel,

@rolle I have a character limit of 11000 :p

rolle,
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

@voxel Cool. I have 99999999.

rolle,
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

@voxel …not really, but could have as it’s my server. 10k is all right.

voxel,

@rolle Nice! So, ig we both a can agree that this table is kinda incorrect, more true would be "500-∞*"

rolle,
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

@voxel Yeah, just wanted to keep it simple and easy to understand.

voxel,

@rolle I prefer rather that things are 100% true instead of "simplified"/and I don't think this would make it complicated.

gpowerf,
@gpowerf@mastodon.social avatar

@rolle I've not used Blue-sky, but out of the rest for me Mastodon is the clear winner.

Riduidel,
@Riduidel@framapiaf.org avatar

@rolle I would have loved to have this compaison as HTML (and pushed to the other networks)

rolle,
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

@Riduidel There is an alt text. It was fastest to do this way. Maybe in some point I do a blog post.

theocrite,
@theocrite@piaille.fr avatar

@rolle

"Owned by an asshole" : Yes, Yes, Yes, No.

lertsenem,
@lertsenem@mastodon.lertsenem.com avatar

@rolle Yep. Maybe paint the cases green/orange/red to make it more obvious? :]

rolle,
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

@lertsenem Mde this in 10 minutes, probably won't update it for now. Maybe the next iteration in some point.

voxel,

@rolle I have a character limit of 11000 🤔

yacc143,
@yacc143@mastodon.social avatar

@rolle
Sorry, if you include "sort of opensource" (basically possible future evolutions), you might also add "maybe" for ads in Mastodon => nothing here that keeps a site admin from adding ads to his site.
Question is if it would be successful, but "maybe"?

dzwoelfer,
@dzwoelfer@kirche.social avatar

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  • rolle,
    @rolle@mementomori.social avatar

    @dzwoelfer Feel free to share!

    liiwi,
    @liiwi@mastodon.social avatar

    @rolle Please consider adding "EULA" - type, as in "what you put in platform, belongs to us" vs. "your data, your ownership".

    rolle,
    @rolle@mementomori.social avatar
    pkreissel,

    @rolle Threads does not have 130 MAU any more.

    tisha,
    @tisha@htt.social avatar

    @rolle I think that none are safe space.

    But it's easyer to have a mostly peaceful experience here :)

    rolle,
    @rolle@mementomori.social avatar
    ahimsa_pdx,
    @ahimsa_pdx@disabled.social avatar

    @rolle

    I'd like a row for whether posts can be viewed without an account / without logging in.

    I think X/Twitter is "sort of" because now you can only see one post, but not all the replies, if someone posts a twitter link.

    I don't know what the status is for Bluesky or Threads.

    I think on Mastodon public posts w/ public replies can be seen without logging in, as long as no blocking or other federation issues?

    Please correct if wrong!

    #X

    stuart,
    @stuart@social.brainsys.com avatar

    @ahimsa_pdx @rolle

    You can see the replies using . But not the ads ;-)

    ahimsa_pdx,
    @ahimsa_pdx@disabled.social avatar

    @stuart @rolle
    thanks! Some time ago nitter was not working at all ... glad to see it is working again.

    stuart,
    @stuart@social.brainsys.com avatar

    @ahimsa_pdx @rolle

    Yep every time implements a great idea coughs and splutters. But the developer normally finds a workaround in hours or days. But the last workaround was pretty convoluted so the next strike may be fatal.

    Enjoy Nitter and the last good people still on ad-free while you can.

    ahimsa_pdx,
    @ahimsa_pdx@disabled.social avatar

    @stuart
    I stopped posting on twitter last year. I made my account private but I kept logging in to get information from the disability and chronic illness community (mostly ME/CFS and Long Covid, but also other topics) and then I'd repost it here.

    But I finally deactivated my account last month. So nitter - at least while it still works - is very helpful.

    Sadly, way too many research and advocacy organizations still use twitter to post stuff that is not found on their websites.

    stuart,
    @stuart@social.brainsys.com avatar

    @ahimsa_pdx

    Yes it is shocking that organisations will tweet stuff but not put it on their site. Most website 'news' sections are pretty moribund. All because the designers rarely provide an easy to post facility.

    I know WordPress posting isn't that difficult but still a magnitude greater than Twitter. T'is a pity 'cos collect all the website feeds into one reader would be the most convenient ad & algorithm free way of getting the info you want.

    tshirtman,
    @tshirtman@mas.to avatar

    @rolle promising that mastodon is a safe space is dangerously overoptimistic, people have been burned believing that promise, is it better? Heck yes, but "safe"? no, not by a wide margin.

    rolle,
    @rolle@mementomori.social avatar
    MartinBe,
    @MartinBe@mastodon.social avatar

    @rolle Safe space yes, untill you start using mastodons not encrypted private messaging. Then this whole "safe" turn out to be not so much safe or even not safe at all. 🙃

    rolle,
    @rolle@mementomori.social avatar
    MartinBe,
    @MartinBe@mastodon.social avatar

    @rolle Yeap, I saw this. That's why i wrote: "..untill you start.." etc.

    fell,
    @fell@ma.fellr.net avatar

    @rolle I wouldn't call or the a safe space, though.

    Depending on where you look, you can definitely find the unfiltered and unrestricted variety™ of the internet. But I think that's a good thing. And there are plenty of tools to protect yourself. Maybe that's what you meant?

    rolle,
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    fell,
    @fell@ma.fellr.net avatar

    @rolle Yeah okay, I can agree with that.

    TheManyVoices,
    @TheManyVoices@mastodon.social avatar

    @rolle

    One criteria I would add to that chart would be "is it #AltText/Voiceover friendly?" I know Mastodon allows visually impaired users to hear text, and the culture here promotes lots of AltText inclusion. Technically, AltText is possible on the Bird Site, but I haven't checked to see if folks include it often.

    rolle,
    @rolle@mementomori.social avatar

    @TheManyVoices Difficult to include in the table, I wanted to keep it simple. All of these services provide alt text. It's true that only Mastodon succeeds in having it built-in the conduct and culture as well.

    rmattila74,
    @rmattila74@energydon.fi avatar

    @rolle @TheManyVoices And that's kind of exclusive for those of us for whom typing is a struggle.

    sarajw,
    @sarajw@front-end.social avatar

    @rmattila74 @rolle @TheManyVoices yeah it certainly takes more time, not ideal if you're using a switch or similar to type. I wish the baked in text detection in Mastodon was better, I find it's very garbled and very easily bested by Google lens.

    rmattila74,
    @rmattila74@energydon.fi avatar

    @sarajw @rolle @TheManyVoices Useless at least in Finnish.

    sarajw,
    @sarajw@front-end.social avatar
    DYSX,

    @rolle no ads on masto? what do you call this then?

    rolle,
    @rolle@mementomori.social avatar

    @DYSX Please kindly go elsewhere to nitpick, I don’t need it.

    linuxct,
    @linuxct@androiddev.social avatar

    @rolle FYI: Bluesky (or ATProto according to the diagram there) can be self-hosted. The thing is the instance of the Bluesky BGS doesn’t aggregate with other PDSs but Bluesky’s official one (for now). So while technically you can self-host it, it may not be as useful until your PDS can be connected to the main BGS.

    rolle,
    @rolle@mementomori.social avatar

    @linuxct Yada yada. It is not self hosting if I cannot fully install it right now on my own server.

    linuxct,
    @linuxct@androiddev.social avatar

    @rolle You can, but it will be fully isolated from the rest of the ATProto network. Just your very own thing, which will serve no purpose…

    On the other hand, boiling it down to just that shows that maybe you don’t see the benefit of having a personal datastore (think of it like a passport) separate from the data aggregation service, which is what those folks are doing. For me, it’s probably the only feature I’d wish ActivityStream/ActivityPub had contemplated.

    wink,
    @wink@chaos.social avatar

    @rolle Nicely done!
    Small nitpick: I wonder if there would be a way to incorporate Fedi (vs Mastodon only) without compromising the clarity. Maybe in the alt text.
    Only real difference is if the other software supports CW.
    Then again I think Mastodon proper is 50-75% of the traffic...

    rolle,
    @rolle@mementomori.social avatar

    @wink That is not what I wanted. Mastodon is 77% of the Fedi and I wanted to make this comparison for Mastodon only.

    paul,
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    @rolle 'safe space' come on, what does that even mean? Most of the fediverse is fediblocked?

    rolle,
    @rolle@mementomori.social avatar

    @paul General conduct and built-in anti-harassment features like extensive content warnings, opt-in search, per-post visibility, filtering options, defederating bunch of servers, etc.

    Jeanpaul,
    @Jeanpaul@glasgow.social avatar

    @rolle mastodon only 14 million sounds impossible …that’s as close to saying no one, not a soul uses mastodon as it gets

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