flywheel, to FreeBSD
@flywheel@mastodon.social avatar

How big a difference between and is there actually, when talking daily use ?

anubhav,

@flywheel Things to consider:

  • network hardware support, namely WiFi;
  • sleep-resume cycles;
  • power management;
  • was listed as experimental for 9. Per Wiki <https://wiki.netbsd.org/zfs/>, I would rather use FreeBSD which supports root on ZFS without the detour of FFS;
  • availability & support of Rust software as Python ecosystem seems to be using more of that as time goes by.

I personally need to check the situation in with Intel CPUs with all E cores.

BoxyBSD, to FreeBSD German
@BoxyBSD@bsd.cafe avatar

BoxyBSD just started!

is a non-profit VM & service provider for the open-source community with a focus on BSD based Systems like , and . BoxyBSD also provides additional services like webhosting, git, email and DNS solutions for projects to give valuable things back to the community.

You can find out more on https://boxybsd.com or in Matrix :bsd.cafe

stuartl, to retrocomputing
@stuartl@longlandclan.id.au avatar

Here goes… #NetBSD on a Toshiba Portégé 7010CT.

Pentium II 300MHz
160MB RAM #RetroComputing

jspath55, (edited ) to random
@jspath55@chaos.social avatar

Choose your destiny:

jspath55, (edited )
@jspath55@chaos.social avatar

Screen shot (widescreen, as it were) from with the cpio manual page shown, as listed above.
(edits:

image details: PNG image data, 3200 x 1080, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced

[ 1.000004] cpu0: AMD A8-6410 APU with AMD Radeon R5 Graphics , id 0x730f01

hardware:
HP Pavilion Desktop 550-a114

https://support.hp.com/us-en/document/c04755753

1 DVI, 1 VGA conjoined imagery.

)

Padukajorat, to FreeBSD

and wallpaper.

image/png

ParadeGrotesque, to random
@ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

Wait, I probably need to update all my VMs to 10.0 now that it has been officially released... 🤔 :netbsd:

ParadeGrotesque,
@ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

Let us start by downloading the official 10.0 release ISO images... 🤓

ParadeGrotesque,
@ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

Well, Ladies and Gentlemen, after 2 days filled with 8 hours of meetings EACH, it is my displeasure to say that, not only are my VMs NOT updated, but my VMs are not updated either!!

Much unhapiness ensues, especially since I am now way too tired to do any updating at all.

The updates (or is that complete re-installation?) have therefore been postponed to tomorrow

I would like to apologize for any inconvenience. :netbsd: :openbsd:

ParadeGrotesque,
@ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

also has sysupgrade, but it does not support upgrading a VM from NetBSD 9.3 to NetBSD 10 as far as I know (corrections are welcome if you know better!).

So, what the heck, I'll re-install from scratch, it only takes about 5 minutes anyway... :netbsd:

A NetBSD 10 installation screen, white text on blue background, showing the installation program downloading the pkgsrc tar file over the network.

ParadeGrotesque,
@ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

Here is the thing with : I like it, I really do, but it's the ton of little infuriating details that bug me.

Take a look at the 2nd screenshot: you will see NetBSD tries an ipv6 address before switching back to ipv4 once it hits a timeout.

Which is fine, except there is no obvious way to disable ipv6 anywhere in NetBSD. And I have searched for a solution!

Conversely, is as smooth as a cold glass of water in a heatwave. DHCP does not provide ipv6? Disable it!

ParadeGrotesque,
@ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

I mean, it's right there in the ifconfig man page, while there is no such entry in the corresponding page (again, unless I am mistaken, corrections by smarter people are very welcome)

https://man.openbsd.org/ifconfig

The result is that, on an ipv4 only network, all the utilities will keep on timing out trying ipv6 addresses first.

ParadeGrotesque,
@ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

So: upgrading to 7.5:

sysupgrade

(reboot)

pkg_add -u -vv

syspatch

And we are done here! :openbsd:

Total time? About 10 minutes.

Updating to 10.0 = reinstall.

(Remove previous OpenSSH key from .ssh/known_hosts)

Total time? About 10 minutes. :netbsd:

Good job everyone! 🤓

jbzfn, to wireguard
@jbzfn@mastodon.social avatar

🎉 NetBSD 10.0 Released With Much Improved Hardware Support & Faster Performance | Phoronix

#NetBSD 10 provides #WireGuard support, support for many newer #Arm platforms including for #AppleSilicon and newer #RaspberryPi boards, a new Intel Ethernet drive, support for Realtek 2.5GbE network adapters, #SMP performance improvements, automatic swap encryption, and an enormous amount of other hardware support improvements that accumulated over the past 4+ years 」

https://www.phoronix.com/news/NetBSD-10.0-Released

wvc, to random
@wvc@emacs.ch avatar

Wow is REALLY lightweight out of the box

santiago, to random
@santiago@masto.lema.org avatar

Installing browsers on a :rpi: Pi 3 running

  • NetSurf 5Mb
  • Firefox & dependencies : 300 Mb

And don’t get me started on launch times nowadays as a quad core CPU at 1.2 GHz is “slow” and “low end”.

Yes I am aware NetSurf cannot display most modern websites. I am not blaming Firefox. I blame the websites.

When is that thing finally going to rule the world ?

santiago, to random
@santiago@masto.lema.org avatar

I like that part about where they insist on running on everything. Doesn’t mean the thing is actually useable though but it’s amusing.

Here an installation on a bare 14 MHz Amiga 1200. You may want to skip ahead if you don’t have an hour to watch text pass by.
https://youtu.be/hJ5fuCA5tM8?si=0f58pwe8dXHHLt36

ParadeGrotesque, to random
@ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

I have to say, this one line made me laugh:

"This also caused the release announcement to be one of the longest we ever did."

https://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/netbsd_10_0_available

Congratulations again, on the release of version 10! :netbsd:

Now, to update all the VMs I have lying around... 💪

jschauma, to random
@jschauma@mstdn.social avatar

#NetBSD 10.0 has been released! This has been a long time coming, with recent security issues necessitating updates and delays.

NetBSD 10 includes POSIX.1e ACLs, experimental WireGuard support, and a range of performance improvements:

https://netbsd.org/releases/formal-10/NetBSD-10.0.html

(It's worth noting that NetBSD is not affected by the #xz #backdoor, both because that targets Linux/glibc/systemd and because the version of xz shipped with NetBSD predates the inclusion of the backdoor code.)

josephholsten, to random
@josephholsten@mstdn.social avatar

What are people planning to use the new 10 for? I have uses I like for FreeBSD, OpenIndiana, Solaris, plus a few Linux things for hardware support and a few unportable programs.

Surely there’s something I can do besides install it on Dreamcast.

governa, to random
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10.0 Released With Much Improved Hardware Support & Faster Performance :netbsd:

https://www.phoronix.com/news/NetBSD-10.0-Released

adamcrussell, to random
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stefano, to random
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UnixAwesome, to random Russian
stefano, to FreeBSD
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Sharing some technical details about how I'm setting up the hosted email service. It will not be a service of BSD Cafe but tied to my own business. It will run entirely on BSD systems and on bare metal, NOT on "cloud" VPS. It will use FreeBSD jails or OpenBSD or NetBSD VMs (but on bhyve, on a leased server - I do not want user data to be stored on disks managed by others). The services (opensmtpd and rspamd, dovecot, redis, mysql, etc.) will run on separate jails/VMs, so compromising one service will NOT put the others at risk. Emails will be stored on encrypted ZFS datasets - so all emails are encrypted at rest - and only dovecot will have access to the mail datasets. I'm also considering the possibility of encrypting individual emails with the user's login password - but I still have to thoroughly test this. The setup will be fully redundant (double mx for SMTP, a domain for external IMAP access that will be managed through smart DNS - which will distribute the connections on the DNS side and, in case of a server down, will stop resolving its IP, sending all the connections to the other. Obviously, everything will be accessible in both ipv4 and ipv6 and in two different European countries, on two different providers. Synchronization will occur through dovecot's native sync (extremely stable and tested). All technical choices will be clearly explained - the goal of this service is to provide maximum transparency to users on how things will be handled.

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