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SmurfNuts, to politics in In interview, Trump doesn't commit to accepting Wisconsin election results if he loses

This loser is beyond pathetic. He's the fakest fuck I've ever seen in my life. And it's so glaringly obvious. How could anyone look at this deteriorated weak delusional coward and see a strong truthful leader?

The manchild has never once admitted his fuckups, failings, losses, or shortcomings. That's a major red flag. Real men do. This emotionally stunted toddler can't and isn't. He's a silver spoon terrified child trapped in a bloated dying brain scrambled corpse.

SlightlyAut,

Hey serious question: What are you going to do when Trump wins the election? It’s going to happen regardless of how much you whine about him in your isolated, internet safe space. I’m genuinely curious what you and the other delusional people around here are going to actually do.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

LOL, I guess all the postings of this particular poster are vaporized. :) I suppose they’ll be back with another sockpuppet at some point, who knows…

APassenger,

An 8 minute old account has replied 4 times, all slightly provocative pro-trump stuff.

Often fight-picking.

You could be better than this.

SlightlyAut,

Of course no legit answers to the question. Looking forward to all the libturd crying memes coming this November.

Nation

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

He may win, but I remember similar sentiment from your kind in 2020, too…how did that go?

SlightlyAut,

Eh it was fine. Just went about living my life like always.

Metalemming,

Like you are now? Baby raging in every thread?

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

What does that mean, owner of new account? What do you expect people to do? What do you expect people to do if he loses?

Bipta,

The manchild has never once admitted his fuckups, failings, losses, or shortcomings. That's a major red flag. Real men do. This emotionally stunted toddler can't and isn't.

They're voting for a reflection of themselves.

dharwin,

Preach.

When this fucker's diet finally catches up with him, Satan himself will make a personal trip up from Hell to collect him. A bigger catch than John Constantine.

tiefling,

Dad says he doesn’t want him, someone else can take him

ArbitraryValue, to politics in Judge rules Wisconsin's 1849 law does not ban abortions, setting stage for Supreme Court case

940.04 Abortion. (1) Any person, other than the mother, who intentionally destroys the life of an unborn child is guilty of a Class H felony. (2) Any person, other than the mother, who does either of the following is guilty of a Class E felony: (a) Intentionally destroys the life of an unborn quick child; or (b) Causes the death of the mother by an act done with intent to destroy the life of an unborn child. It is unnecessary to prove that the fetus was alive when the act so causing the mother’s death was committed. (5) This section does not apply to a therapeutic abortion which: (a) Is performed by a physician; and (b) Is necessary, or is advised by 2 other physicians as necessary, to save the life of the mother; and © Unless an emergency prevents, is performed in a licensed maternity hospital. (6) In this section “unborn child" means a human being from the time of conception until it is born alive.

That’s the text of the law. I think that as written, it pretty clearly bans elective abortion. If section 2a refers to feticide rather than abortion, why is section 5 making an exception to section 2 for the case of a therapeutic abortion? I guess I’m missing some precedent here. (What happened to sections 3 and 4? Does section 5 refer to them rather than to section 2?)

Ranvier,

I think you could argue since it says “other than the mother” and the mother is the one electing to have it done, this law does not ban an elective abortion initiated by the mother. I think the section 5 provisions would still be necessary in this reading. Let’s say a pregnant person is critically ill and unable to give consent for an abortion procedure. If a physician went ahead and performed the abortion without consent, even though necessary to save their life, without that provision in the law it would be a felony for them to do so. The 2 physicians agreeing it is necessary is similar to many other laws about performing medical procedures without consent. They’re often written like that to help protect physicians performing life saving procedures in emergency settings when obtaining consent for a procedure isn’t feasible. However IANAL. And have no idea what happened to sections 3 and 4 either, haha.

aniki,

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  • Buelldozer,
    @Buelldozer@lemmy.today avatar

    LOL.

    dragonflyteaparty,

    I don’t think so, no, especially because it mentions a “quick child” which likely refers to quickening or feeling the fetus move. It bans abortions after quickening which would generally be 18-20 weeks gestation. Section five allows abortion at any time if three doctors say it’s necessary. Section one could be argued since the mother wants it done, it’s not illegal.

    Madison_rogue, to news in Tony Evers uses veto powers to extend annual increases for public schools for the next four centuries.
    Madison_rogue avatar

    This is the best use of the limited line item veto I have ever seen by any Wisconsin governor.

    A little bit of history, the original line item veto allowed the governor to veto any letter or number combination, effectively writing legislation letter by letter (dubbed the Vanna White veto). Limits were established that only phrases could be struck out, and look what Tony Evers did here.

    For anyone that's interested, more on Wisconsin's Line Item Veto here.

    Daak,
    Daak avatar

    So not entirely correct, the reason this is legal is because the amendment was only for letters (not numbers) and in fact the legal committee agreed that it allowed the creation of new numbers.

    Source: http://lrbdigital.legis.wisconsin.gov/digital/collection/p16831coll2/id/663

    Madison_rogue,
    Madison_rogue avatar

    Thanks for the clarification! Google didn't really help me find something better, so I thought Wikipedia was the best reference.

    queermunist, to news in As folks freeze to death in Milwaukee, Ohio pastor charged for offering shelter
    @queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

    The unhoused are supposed to die quietly, he got in the way of that.

    solrize, to news in As folks freeze to death in Milwaukee, Ohio pastor charged for offering shelter

    Ambiguous title. The pastor didn’t ask for money from the freezing people. He took them in for free. The city then criminally charged him for violating zoning rules:

    Chris Avell, pastor of Dad’s Place in Bryan, Ohio, was arraigned in court last Thursday because he kept his church open 24/7 to provide warmth to the unhoused.

    Ohio law prohibits residential use in first-floor buildings in a business district. Since the church is zoned as a Central Business, the building is restricted from allowing people to eat or sleep on the property.

    FireRetardant,

    So by this logic church patrons would have to leave the premises to eat a snack, participate in a church meal, or even eat one of those wafers they sometimes hand out.

    TheLight,

    Yup. Serve the body of Christ? Straight to jail. Your sermon is so boring someone dozes off, believe it or not, jail.

    Of course, this doesn’t really happen, through the magic of selective enforcement the only people getting the boot are those preventing the homeless from freezing to death, ruining the plans of the local administration.

    gaifux,

    A pastor would not be “serving the body of Christ”, since transfiguration is a Roman Catholic heresy

    SpezBroughtMeHere,

    You’re not familiar with communion?

    gaifux,

    The doctrine of transfiguration is not the same thing as communion. When protestants take communion they are not under the belief they are eating the literal body of Christ. Instead it’s purely symbolic. Catholicism holds that your salvation literally hinges on eating that piece of bread and wine every week since they believe it is literally Christ’s body once it’s blessed. It’s like the literalist opposite of gnostic views

    Notorious_handholder, (edited )

    Buddy you’re trying to nitpick something that no one cares about that still has the same result. At the end of the day the people will still be eating the cracker in a business zoned church.

    Whatever beliefs or arbitrary labels are held behind the gesture do not matter at all to what is being talked about

    ChunkMcHorkle, (edited )
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    afraid_of_zombies,

    Yet another evil created by zoning laws.

    dan1101,

    I don’t know, we don’t want a shooting range next to a preschool or something. Zoning does some good.

    Maggoty,

    Not this zoning.

    theneverfox,
    @theneverfox@pawb.social avatar

    Wouldn’t a daycare/private preschool and a gun range both be the same light commercial zones?

    There might be regulation keeping you from owning a gun range near a school, but I don’t think zoning helps

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Since when did we care about children getting shot at school?

    pm_me_titties,

    Zoning is there to prevent wasting those targets by accident/s

    DAMunzy,

    Oh come on. This is absolutely a government overreach… yes, regulations can be good. They were not in this case.

    LillyPip,

    Maybe I’m misunderstanding the situation, but it seems to me the problem here isn’t the zoning laws, but draconian enforcement during an emergency.

    Usually in times of hardship, anyone with half a brain knows not to strictly enforce laws like this that were clearly not intended to stop churches, businesses, or private individuals from helping people.

    It’s like charging someone for violating zoning by taking in neighbours whose homes were destroyed. In normal times, there are laws against turning yourself into a boarding house without a permit, but nobody reasonable would enforce that after a tornado.

    The problem is moronic enforcement.

    DAMunzy,

    The regulation/law could have been written better. That’s why I called it overreach. They could have written an emergency clause or wrote an emergency regulation/law that specified overruling certain laws.

    That’s what I meant by overreach. I’m generally pro regulations when it comes to safety which is what the sleeping and eating one I assume was written about.

    maryjayjay,

    Seems like a shooting range next to a school could be a deterrent.

    Hmmm, which school to shoot up? This one next to a bunch of folks with weapons and ammo within arms reach practicing marksmanship or any of these other ones without that?

    LrdThndr, (edited )

    You mean like here in maryville, tn, where the new Smith and Wesson factory and test range shares a property line with Middlesettlements Elementary School?

    Nothing quite like kids hearing gunshots outside at school.

    And it wasn’t just “allowed” by zoning laws. The city basically did backflips to get the plant to move here. They even convinced the city of Alcoa to cede the land to the city of Maryville without telling Alcoa why they wanted it.

    Bunch of shady shit all around, but the whole county basically sucks Smith and Wesson’s dick now. They even had a big festival on the day the plant opened to celebrate it.

    damnthefilibuster,

    I dunno. It seems pretty clear that charged in this case means the government sicced the dogs on him for being a… checks notes… good Christian.

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    Hey now, since when does being a good Christian mean… checks notes… taking care of the oppressed, hungry & needy? Oh, well shit. :-P

    mercano,
    @mercano@lemmy.world avatar

    I wonder if there’s a first amendment defense to be made here. The pastor was following his religious tenets by sheltering the poor in the church in their time of need.

    badbytes,

    So private sector does gov job, in caring for citizens and gets in trouble. As if the gov wants to criminalize kindness.

    SnotFlickerman,
    @SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    No wonder we have so many Bad Christians when the good ones are punished for their deeds.

    This is what the gospel of Jesus meant that the life of a true Christian was the hardest.

    The people who actually follow the gospel are generally vilified by the majority of Christians for making the rest of them look bad or something.

    ThePyroPython,

    If these people get angry at someone performing a good deed because that makes then look bad, they’re going to hell.

    If even the least absolutist christian sect, the church of England, teaches that as they did to me during my childhood, then those fuckers aren’t even close to being Christian. They’re just wearing a crucifix.

    Fucking posers.

    TropicalDingdong,

    criminally charged him for violating zoning rules

    Well fuck’em.

    If its criminal to do the right thing for your fellow humans, do crime.

    Pat_Riot,
    @Pat_Riot@lemmy.today avatar

    I believe it was Marcus Garvey that said all immoral laws must be disobeyed.

    PapaStevesy,

    If it’s a business, why don’t they pay taxes?

    Substance_P, (edited )

    Yep, and what boundaries constitutes a church, synagogue, mosque or place of worship these days, and why is one religion tax free, yet a philosophical movement is not? To whom is respon$ible for making these institutions exempt of taxation? I for one would be a proud supporter of a church that actually upholds the tenants of biblical teachings, and also follows in the footsteps of those morals, but it’s all just a sad sad part of modern day capitalism. This Pastor is a hero and should be heralded as such.

    afraid_of_zombies,

    Not that I particularly care if churches are or are not taxed but arguing that religion is philosophy just is empirically wrong. Philosophy is rarely passed generation to generation but religion is almost always is. No one would call an 8 year old a Hegellian but they would grasp the idea that the 8 year old is Muslim and should be given hallel food. A Marxist solider who dies in combat isn’t going to get a Marxist funeral. A Platoist is not going to request a Platoist leader to provide them comfort in their final moments. No one is bringing their family to weekly Russellian services where they sing about the glory of set theory. No desperate person has begged their local Utilitarian thinker to pray away the Utility Monster.

    I am an atheist btw so don’t try it.

    DAMunzy,

    I use Arch Linux, btw.

    Cowlitz,

    You’re right. The only difference between philosophy and religion is the cult aspect. So why are we rewarding the culty versions that indoctrinate children into being unable to think for themselves rather than actual philosophical movements? Its backwards as fuck. Religon is much of why humanity is so stupid. It requires faith. Faith and critical thinking cannot coexist when the faith involves meaning of life stuff.

    OpenStars,
    @OpenStars@startrek.website avatar

    Technically you are correct, but this is far from the first instance of this kind, probably already even in 2024. I knew immediately what it meant b/c of that context… sigh, unfortunately:-(.

    Still, thank you very much for clarifying - Lemmy is shared world-wide, and not everyone may have picked up on that, especially non-native speakers. You are preventing misunderstandings hence promoting Truth, exactly as that pastor would have wanted:-).

    maness300,

    he building is restricted from allowing people to eat or sleep on the property.

    Okay… so any business in the ‘business district’ is restricted from allowing people to eat or sleep on their property.

    If I was a lawyer, I’d record people eating in their business district buildings and present that to the court right next to the law that says they’re not allowed to do it.

    I would fight tooth and nail to ensure whatever judicial overreach is screwing over poor people also screws over rich ones.

    JasonDJ,

    No eating in the business district means no break rooms. And if Christian churches are in the business district, I’d imagine this means no communion wafers either.

    Cowlitz,

    How many of those businesses work people so hard/overnight so they are sleeping in their offices? Its Ohio so probably not many but its probably still happened.

    girlfreddy, to news in Milwaukee kindergartner left behind on school bus, found honking horn Monday night
    @girlfreddy@lemmy.ca avatar

    Byers-Smith said she asked police to search the school bus lot, but they told her they first needed to search her house …

    Uh huh.

    ACAB

    PrincessLeiasCat,

    Like…can they not do both? A fucking kindergartner is missing - we can walk and chew gum at the same time, yes? yes………?

    MotoAsh,

    Why would police need to search a home that has been searched?? The problem is the child ISN’T in the house.

    How in the flying fuck are you even getting upvoted for suggesting a violation of privacy? This country is braindead.

    PrincessLeiasCat,

    I don’t know if they needed to or not. But if they did for whatever reason, official procedure or what not regardless if I agree, then couldn’t both things be done in parallel.

    I was not “suggesting” a privacy violation.

    PinkPanther,

    Because they’re black, so obviously, they make/have illegal drugs in their house. It’s simple police-math. And they’ll shoot their dog, just for good measure.

    Metacortechs,

    I don’t want to downplay the racism that is absolutely rampant in situations like these, they treated me, a very white guy in the same way. My now ex-wife and young child disappeared while I was in meetings. I came out of my home office, tried for a while to contact her, and after getting no reply called the police. Neither vehicle was gone, no notes, no indications of where they went.

    They searched my house, my vehicles, even threatened to break into the camper we had to search it when I couldn’t immediately find the key.

    It took them hours to locate them, and after wouldn’t tell me anything other than they were found.

    Turns out she had taken my kid to her family’s cult compound, I immediately started court proceedings, then COVID helpfully came along to drag that out for years. I now have 50/50 custody, moved us all far away from that cult so she is less likely to take her back there, paid out the nose to get my ex to agree.

    I did put my dog in the bathroom before they arrived, cause I know how that goes…

    PinkPanther,

    Holy shit dude! I’m so sorry that you experienced this. If you ever need to vent, I’m here for you. I’d be more than willing to “listen” (read: read).

    Metacortechs,

    Thank you, I really appreciate it. There’s a LOT left out of the abusive conditions I lived in leading up to that, I was forced to sleep on the floor for a couple of years, forced to physically abuse myself for her amusement once I was well and truly broken. She used my kid as a pawn to manipulate and control me and it worked. She used my size to intimidate other people to get what she wanted. Burned down our home.

    Cut me off from all of my friends and family.

    I’m doing a LOT better these days, it’s been a few years now. Through therapy and giving myself space I uncovered memories of being sexually abused by a priest in my youth, which surely didn’t help, and the legal ramifications of that are still turning as we speak.

    I’m still a broken human, but I’m a much better version of myself than I was a few years ago. I struggle, and fight the constant feeling that I should cease to exist, but as long as my kid needs me I have a thread holding me down.

    I have the most amazing partner now, who has shown me what it is really like to be loved beyond being a parent. Something I never experienced until the last couple of years.

    I’m writing a letter to my kid, that I will give her when they are much much older, outlining what those years were like. I know they can see the evil in their mom, but can’t name it yet. I haven’t said a word about it to them, and have no plans to until much much later or until they start to ask me about based on their observations.

    I had intended to just say thank you, but … it feels good to let it out. Very very few people who know me have heard that much of the story. Thank you for hearing me. I truly appreciate it.

    PinkPanther,

    Dude… Just… Dude… I cannot fathom going through what you’ve written here. It’s like being in hell… I’m really glad to hear you’re doing better, and I’m REALLY glad you’ve found someone who loves you for who you are! And u don’t know why, but I’m actually thankful that you shared. Possibly because I’m struggling myself right now (with 1st world problems, which cannot be compared to what you’ve been through at all - I’m just winter depressed).

    I cannot confirm this, but I sincerely think your kid will appreciate the letter(s) - I know I would’ve.

    When I’m back at my computer tomorrow, I’ll write to you directly 😊

    Metacortechs,

    Don’t try to compare, our circumstances are different, but how we feel and how our situations impact us are just as valid as the other.

    I hope you start to make the turn, I know how hard it is to get out of the depressive hole we often find ourselves in!

    Neato,
    @Neato@ttrpg.network avatar

    Sounds like they’d rather go on a fishing expedition than do their jobs.

    gibmiser,

    I don’t know man cops are shit but kids are great at hiding. How annoyed would you be if you went and searched all over the fucking county looking for this kid and you found out the kid was hiding behind an open door in their parents bedroom and fell asleep like I did to my parents when I was a kid.

    memfree,
    @memfree@lemmy.ml avatar

    That’d require the child be home, first. Mom was worrying because he hadn’t come home from the bus and no one was picking up the phone at the school or the bus company. I’m going to guess that getting into the house would have been noticeable because calling the cops was not mom’s go-to move – and they proved her prioritization correct by being useless.

    RobertOwnageJunior,

    yeah, you act kike children become invisible. I’d say they are actually not that great at hiding and police officers should be competent enough to find one. This story tells it all.

    stopthatgirl7,
    stopthatgirl7 avatar

    …oof, that’s a bad typo there. Might want to fix that one.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    How easy do you think it is to hide from 3 or 4 cops on a school bus?

    unwellsnail,

    But he wasn’t hiding, he was lost and needed help being found. If the cops had listened to the mom he would’ve been found sooner without the unnecessary invasion of privacy.

    The 5-year-old was honking the horn on the bus for help when he was found, she said.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    I know, I was answering a hypothetical.

    unwellsnail,

    Oops, meant to respond to the commenter above you.

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    No worries.

    Perfide,

    But the cops have no reason to think the child is in the home at all? The mom called them because the bus never dropped him off and couldn’t get ahold of the school or bus company. She KNEW 100% her kid wasn’t home, they just refused to take her at her word.

    snooggums,
    snooggums avatar

    "If you look closely you will notice she is black."

    -cops

    some_guy,

    She KNEW 100% her kid wasn’t home

    It’s ok. The family is Black. They didn’t need to listen to her…

    snooggums,
    snooggums avatar

    Oh no, the police might do part of their job that doesn't involve harassing minorities!

    FfaerieOxide,
    FfaerieOxide avatar

    How annoyed would you be if you went and searched all over the fucking county looking for this kid and you found out the kid was hiding behind an open door in their parents bedroom

    How annoyed would you be if your child was terrified and endangered and rather than helping you look for them a piece of shit with a gun preferred to dig through your underwear drawer for pot and cash they can civil asset?

    NatakuNox, to politics in Judge rules Wisconsin's 1849 law does not ban abortions, setting stage for Supreme Court case
    @NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

    Buckle up buckaroos, the far right supreme court is going to impose a national ban on abortion.

    PlantJam,

    Luckily this case will go to the state supreme court.

    NatakuNox,
    @NatakuNox@lemmy.world avatar

    For now.

    BraveSirZaphod,
    BraveSirZaphod avatar

    Well, this isn't about the Supreme Court of the United States, so thankfully, they're not relevant at all. This will actually be seen by the state Supreme Court, which just recently got a liberal majority. Also, SCOTUS could have easily done that during the Dobbs ruling if they really wanted to.

    Please consider doing a milligram of research before speaking.

    Bob_Robertson_IX,

    Do you think the conservatives will just stop when/if the liberal Wisconsin Supreme Court upholds the ruling?

    BraveSirZaphod,
    BraveSirZaphod avatar

    Yes, because there is no higher authority to appeal to. The SCOTUS doesn't have jurisdiction over purely internal state law unless they want to claim that it violated the US Constitution. And again, if the SCOTUS wanted to establish fetus personhood, they already had the perfect opportunity to do that.

    assassin_aragorn,

    Most of the conservative justices are shrewd and intelligent, unlike most Republicans. Scalia and Thomas are idiotic hacks of course, but the other four seem too smart to try and ban abortion federally. They know how deeply unpopular they are and how unpopular their abortion decision was. It wouldn’t surprise me if they’re purposely holding back for damage control. They seem to recognize that things can and will change for them. Ethics and gifts are a good example of how their unpopularity is leading to consequences.

    BraveSirZaphod,
    BraveSirZaphod avatar

    Pragmatism is definitely playing a role, but I think for some of the (relatively) more principled ones, they do simply see it as a matter reserved for the states and past that point, the states can do as they like.

    Wermhatswormhat,

    Well said. Once cases are heard at the SC level the buck stops there. So hopefully this can be a win.

    GreyEyedGhost,

    Well…except when they revisit them and overturn previous Supreme Court rulings, which is why we’re talking about this now.

    Rapidcreek, to politics in Trump pressures Assembly Speaker Robin Vos to impeach elections chief Meagan Wolfe

    He’s scared. And it shows.

    He can’t win legitimately. So he’s doing all he can to rig the game, stack the deck and outright cheat.

    ptz,
    @ptz@dubvee.org avatar

    Not that I’m letting my guard down here, but didn’t he do that last time and still lose?

    Heresy_generator,
    Heresy_generator avatar

    Indeed. And that time he leveraged the power of the bully pulpit and every single person in the Executive Branch corrupt enough to help him. And he still lost.

    Caradoc879,

    What did he actually lose though? He’s still the most talked about person in the world. He’s still not in prison. He’s still out there posting hate speech and defaming literally fucking everyone and he’s not seen a single actual consequence. He still gets his cheeseburgers, cell phone, and freedom to continue to harass and attack anyone he wants without any consequence.

    Narrrz,

    he doesn't have that same power trip he was on before, though. and I bet he's like a junkie in withdrawal for it.

    Dead_or_Alive,

    Don’t fool yourself, Trump is doing well in the polls and the economy is showing signs of recession which does not favor an incumbent like Biden.

    He’s not scared he’s making sure the odds are in his favor. The GQP will use every tool both legal and illegal to ensure Trump or the next GQP nominee wins. A win by Desantis or Nikki Hawley at this juncture would be just as devastating. They are simply facists with a different name and smile.

    Rapidcreek,

    Well how were the polls last night? And NO, there are no signs of recession.

    He’s making sure the odds are in his favor by cheating.

    Caradoc879,

    Lol I don’t know where you are, but where i am average housing costs have more than doubled in the last 5 years. My grocery bill has doubled and I’m getting less.

    Maybe the fucking stick market is fine, but the actual people a failing and flailing. We are absolutely just as bad off as 2008, if not worse.

    Telorand,

    Sorry, but I have to disagree. If you’re going to rely on your own personal anecdotal evidence, mine says that the economy is improving. Prices have mostly stabilized where I live, my (large) company is expanding their operations, small businesses in the area are growing…

    So I get that’s what it looks or feels like to you, and people who aren’t doing well simply aren’t doing well, but there will always be people who aren’t doing well, even in a recovering economy.

    RooPappy,

    My company has been on a hiring blast since July. I don't own stocks, but I'm way better off than I was last year at this time.

    Telorand,

    Mine has a QA department, which for most businesses is an extra luxury, and it’s been expanding at a rate I’ve never seen, even pre-pandemic.

    I’m not sure if there’s ever going to be a time when every person in a society feels like everything is golden. I think the postwar boom of the 1950s is simply something that will never happen again in our lifetimes (at least not until we do something about late-stage capitalism).

    Caradoc879,

    Anecdotal evidence as opposed to the made up metrics of OOH STONKS GO UP? Low employment numbers mean nothing if everyone is working part time gig jobs and not full time career jobs. Record profits mean nothing when it’s on essential goods and services that shouldn’t be for-profit in the first place. I have a bigger income than ever and am still where I was. I can’t buy a house. Fuck, my wife and I have a combined income of 130k and we can’t even see how to get out of our 1 bedroom apartment now that student loans have come back.

    OH YEAH STUDENT LOANS! Nothing saves an economy faster than hitting millions of families with debt they haven’t had to pay in years. (I don’t care if you believe it should be paid back or not, but demanding it years later without helping the person figure out how to budget for it is evil.)

    Fed is shooting itself in the foot with this student loan bullshit and we’re the ones who will suffer.

    Telorand,

    I’m genuinely sorry you’re in a bad financial spot. I know you’re not alone in that.

    I was in your exact spot in 2008 with 80k in student loan debt (though my partner and I made < 60k combined), and while it feels hopeless, I can assure you from my own experience that it’s possible to get out of student loan hell and move forward with your life. DMs are open if you ever want to discuss specifics or get ideas.

    Hang in there.

    Rapidcreek,

    Remember this. Recession is an economic term with a specific meaning. Google it to find out it doesn’t include your local cost of living. Now get back to your whining,

    Caradoc879,

    Dude are you okay? No need to be a shitheel to people talking about how expensive life is whether you think they misunderstand or not. Because life is actually unaffordable for most people. It just makes you look like an ass.

    Rapidcreek,

    Tough to respond to someone who doesn’t know what they are talking about, uses personal experience as some sort of proof and will keep doing that until you get bored with them and I already am.

    ashok36,

    Using high house prices to argue we are entering a recession doesn’t make sense. House prices are high because someone is buying all the houses. That’s like, the opposite of what happens in a recession.

    Caradoc879,

    You know it’s the rich people buying all those houses, right? Which raises costs, which prices out more and more regular people. Maybe we’re arguing semantics, but I don’t see how that’s not recessive? Less buying power = recession.

    RooPappy,

    Less buying power = recession.

    No, it doesn't = that. People aren't disagreeing with your viewpoints or opinions. You are 100% using the word "recession" incorrectly, which is what everyone is trying to tell you in this thread.

    A recession is a significant, widespread, and prolonged downturn in economic activity. If people are driving up the prices of houses, it's not a recession. In a recession, house prices plummet because nobody is buying them.

    What you are describing is income inequality, which is a real, but completely different thing.

    Caradoc879,

    A recession cause by republican bullshit and stonewalling. Don’t forget that part.

    ares35,
    ares35 avatar

    'did a brown kid go hungry? well, that's ok, then.'

    Unaware7013,

    Don’t fool yourself, Trump is doing well in the polls

    Not to discount your point, but polls generally consist of people who answer the phone from unknown callers and have he patience to put up with the people running the poll. That's not going to be a representative sample of public opinion.

    Also, trump is looking forward to 4 court cases that are going to be running during the campaign season, so that's going to fuck his numbers more than they already are. He cannot win without independent voters, and the constant news of his overt and stupid crimes isn't going to win over independents.

    kamenoko, to wisconsin in Johnson says Wisconsin fake electors should not face charges for 'political activity'

    Looks like another fascist looking for a proper beating.

    Candelestine, to politics in Wisconsin Republicans may consider impeachment if recently seated Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice does not recuse herself from redistricting case

    That’s a clever line of attack, but having an opinion does not constitute a conflict of interest. Otherwise there would be a whole shit-ton of recusal happening every day.

    A conflict of interest usually involves some form of monetary compensation or other fiscal benefit.

    Jaysyn,
    Jaysyn avatar

    You think the cares about that? All that matters to those is they have the numbers to remove her from the bench.

    Candelestine,

    I’m discussing the specific choice of what rhetoric they decide to use, not why they are using it. Why they are using it is fairly obvious at this point.

    There are many different lines, arguments, whatever that could be employed, though. By paying attention to which ones are specifically chosen, you can learn more about their target audience, which is larger than simply fans of a white, ultra-nationalist ethno-state. Hence their need to continue to use rationalizations like this, instead of being forthright about their intentions.

    This one in particular surprised me, as I didn’t foresee it. They’re usually more predictable than that.

    Notnotmike,
    @Notnotmike@beehaw.org avatar

    Right? This is just a wacky line of thought. 99% of cases are “prejudged” that’s why we have a trial process with arguments and counter-arguments. To show evidence and convince the judges of your opinions.

    Sad that impeachment is continuing to be wielded as a weapon more and more. It should be reserved for extreme situations. Not just because you want an excuse to get rid of your opponent

    Candelestine,

    It was kind of inevitable, unfortunately. After we impeach one of them for even legitimate wrongdoing, if they do not counter-impeach us, they lose perceived legitimacy, which weakens them.

    They had no other strategically sound moves, when you consider their goal of hanging onto power regardless of the wishes of the voting public.

    Sharpiemarker,

    Yep. Because obstruction is their only policy.

    Daft_ish, to politics in 'Not from me': Former House Speaker Paul Ryan reaffirms claim he'll vote against Trump

    Paul Ryan at the gym showing his lifting buddies this article: “Come on guys, I can listen to RATM again now, right?”

    xc2215x, to politics in 'Not from me': Former House Speaker Paul Ryan reaffirms claim he'll vote against Trump

    Good for Paul Ryan.

    homesweethomeMrL, to politics in 'Not from me': Former House Speaker Paul Ryan reaffirms claim he'll vote against Trump

    Ah the ol’ granny-starver came out of his cave to strut around all cool like eh?

    Yah, get back in there ya fuck.

    McCarthy: There are two people I think Putin pays: Rorabacher and Trump!

    Ryan: Ssssshhhhh! Hey, let’s keep it in the family fellas! ha ha!

    anon6789, (edited ) to politics in 'Not from me': Former House Speaker Paul Ryan reaffirms claim he'll vote against Trump
    @anon6789@lemmy.world avatar

    Edit: replied to wrong post.

    Nightwingdragon, to politics in 'Not from me': Former House Speaker Paul Ryan reaffirms claim he'll vote against Trump

    Keep in mind that it’s easy for Paul Ryan – or anyone else, for that matter – to say they won’t vote for Trump when there is literally no way to verify that claim.

    Wrench,

    Well, what’s the point of lying? His statement probably influences far more votes than his individual vote.

    I see no point in lying. If anything, he’d be motivated to decline to comment or lie to say he’s voting for Trump to avoid backlash from the fanatic MAGA base

    Nightwingdragon,

    Well, what’s the point of lying? His statement probably influences far more votes than his individual vote.

    Whatever his next career move is, he may feel that appealing to the moderates and swing voters is more beneficial to him than just being one of the growing sea of people willing to suck up to the MAGA base.

    madcaesar,

    That’s not what matters.

    All these Republican fuckers “standing against Trump”, do so when they have no power and they don’t matter.

    No-one gives a shit about Paul.

    If he was in the house, you better believe he’d be sucking Trump cock, because he is a piece of shit just like Trump.

    pyre,

    he never had a spine when he was in office

    Nightwingdragon,

    Absolutely. They’re all guilty of it. Ryan, Cheney, Romney, all of them. They all spoke out against Trump once they had nothing left to lose, but marched in lockstep with him before that. And I’m sure that at least some of the reason that they speak out against him is because until he did, they all thought Trump would never turn his back on them, and they’re shocked (shocked!) when they find out they’re not a special little snowflake to Trump, and can be easily discarded the minute they no longer serve a purpose to him, just like everybody else.

    I’m just saying that Paul has likely calculated that trying to endear himself to the moderates of the party and right-leaning independent voters is better for him than going full MAGA. I’m not saying he’s right, but it may be what he’s thinking.

    FuglyDuck,
    @FuglyDuck@lemmy.world avatar

    Only reason I don’t believe he sucks trump off Is because there l’s really not that much of it to go around,

    ripcord,
    @ripcord@lemmy.world avatar

    What? Cheney and Romney spoke out way before they had nothing left to lose.

    Those are two very rare examples of the OPPOSITE of the point you were trying to make.

    Nightwingdragon,

    They still voted in line with him when push came to shove.

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