remixtures, to China Portuguese
@remixtures@tldr.nettime.org avatar

: "“The Western markets did not democratize EVs. They gentrified EVs,” said Bill Russo, the founder of the Automobility Ltd. consultancy in Shanghai. “And when you gentrify, you limit the size of the market. China is all about democratizing EVs, and that’s what will ultimately lead Chinese companies to be successful as they go global.”

Inside a huge garage in an industrial area west of Detroit, a company called Caresoft Global tore apart a Seagull that its China office purchased and shipped to the U.S.

Company President Terry Woychowski, a former chief engineer on General Motors’ big pickup trucks, said the car is a “clarion call” for the U.S. auto industry, which is years behind China in designing low-cost EVs.

After the teardown, Woychowski, who has been in the auto business for 45 years, said he was left wondering if U.S. automakers can adjust. “Things will have to change in some radical ways in order to be able to compete,” he said."

https://apnews.com/article/china-byd-auto-seagull-auto-ev-cae20c92432b74e95c234d93ec1df400

parismarx, to tech
@parismarx@mastodon.online avatar

Chinese EV maker BYD is challenging Tesla to become the top EV seller in the world. But how did it get there and what does its future hold?

On , I spoke to @paologerbaudo to discuss BYD’s success and why the US feels threatened by it.

Full ep: https://techwontsave.us/episode/220_how_byd_is_upending_the_ev_market_w_paolo_gerbaudo

darnell, to tesla
@darnell@one.darnell.one avatar

So this is the (or ) car scaring & electric vehicles worldwide.

👉🏾 BYD Seagull (Dolphin Mini) https://youtu.be/UdzsjZe3zRQ

mentioned this car from 🇨🇳 could destroy the EV industry in the 🇺🇸.

This car is tiny! But it costs between $10,000-$12,000 & has a range between 550-700 kilometers!

They are not selling this in the US due to tariffs from , but they might sell in Europe.

ncoca, to TeslaMotors
@ncoca@social.coop avatar

Too much criticism of #Biden's #EV #tariffs ignoring basic facts about #China & #BYD

A reminder about why #Chinese #electric vehicles are so cheap - more than mere "innovation"

  • non-existent labor protections, & no real labor unions in Chinese factories = cheap workforce (unlike unionized Detroit)

  • minimal lacking sourcing standards for raw materials = widespread supply chain #humanrights & #environmental abuses

  • massive subsidies & domestic market protectionism

https://leadthecharge.org/scorecards-summary/

Hypx, (edited ) to TeslaMotors
@Hypx@mastodon.social avatar

Some thoughts on Tesla: Most of the rhetoric seems to be about blaming Musk for everything. While he is the source of many of the problems, it ignores the fundamental reality of the BEV market: Almost no one makes money in BEVs. And the ones that do, like BYD, have been revealed to be subsidized out the wazoo.

In reality, desperate cutting of everything expensive has been the only real option. A “sane” CEO would do the same, or run up huge losses otherwise.

qbi, to Xiaomi German
@qbi@freie-re.de avatar

Vanessa Lisa Oelmann twittert von der Bejing International Autoshow. Während insbesondere die Stände von und völlig überlaufen sind, kann sie sich bei entspannen. Niemand will diese Fahrzeuge sehen. Wie @isotopp immer mal wieder feststellt, werden die nächsten Jahre sehr hart für VW.

https://x.com/VLOelmann/status/1783352409533849643

https://nitter.esmailelbob.xyz/vloelmann

http://www.autochinashow.org/

SiR_GameZaloT, to TeslaMotors
@SiR_GameZaloT@paktodon.asia avatar

"The BYD Group of China has recently announced its entry into the passenger vehicle market in Pakistan in collaboration with Mega Conglomerate Pvt Ltd, the parent company of Hub Power and Haleeb Foods."

https://www.dawn.com/news/1827302/new-players-eye-pakistans-growing-hybrid-electric-vehicles-market

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
@Hypx@mastodon.social avatar

The only reason why BEVs exist in significant numbers at all is due to truly vast amounts of subsidies. I don't think people fully realize how much it is. It's more than any other technology by a huge margin.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/04/byd-said-to-have-received-billions-in-subsidies-from-chinese-government/

parismarx, to tech
@parismarx@mastodon.online avatar

“The rise of the Chinese EV industry has been enabled not only by generous government subsidies but also by profound changes in strategy and organization, and in particular by a distinctive revival of vertical integration—at both individual firm and national levels. The approach is perfectly exemplified by BYD, which has sought to bring virtually all aspects of the value chain under its control.”

https://www.phenomenalworld.org/analysis/byd/

inanedirk, to tesla German
@inanedirk@metalhead.club avatar

Huh, random fact den ich gerade gelesen habe: kauft seine Batterien bei ein. Ich hatte die ganze Zeit die Batterietechnologie als größte Herausforderung der e-Mobilität gesehen, wo genau ist Tesla dann also innovativ?

tagesschau, to China German
@tagesschau@ard.social avatar

Warum ein deutscher Händler auf den chinesischen Autobauer BYD setzt

Der chinesische Autobauer BYD expandiert nach Deutschland, dafür kooperiert er mit Autohändlern vor Ort. Derzeit sind die Verkaufszahlen eher mau, mittelfristig könnte sich das aber ändern. Von David Zajonz.

➡️ https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/byd-automarkt-100.html?at_medium=mastodon&at_campaign=tagesschau.de

thejapantimes, to business
@thejapantimes@mastodon.social avatar

Carmakers in China are turning to increasingly novel add-ons, from beds to cooktops, in a bid to boost sluggish sales. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/business/2024/03/11/companies/china-ev-beds-kitchens-drones/

tagesschau, to Polestar German
@tagesschau@ard.social avatar

Warum E-Auto-Marken aus China Showrooms statt Autohäuser eröffnen

Aufwendige Showrooms von meist asiatischen E-Auto-Herstellern verbreiten sich in deutschen Innenstädten. Marken wie NIO, Polestar, Genesis oder BYD ziehen in die besten Lagen. Von Robert Hübner.

➡️ https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/autohaus-showroom-102.html?at_medium=mastodon&at_campaign=tagesschau.de

thejapantimes, to business
@thejapantimes@mastodon.social avatar

BYD will introduce a series of new models and expand its dealership network in Japan, where the Chinese electric vehicle giant has struggled to infiltrate the market. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/business/2024/03/01/companies/byd-bolsters-japan-push/

ukuku, to random
@ukuku@mstdn.social avatar

More angles than a Huracan. I don’t not like it, but something just feels off.

spacelizard, to TeslaMotors
@spacelizard@aus.social avatar

On Wednesday mornings I have to take my son to a 2 hour course, and work nearby until he's finished. This morning I'm trying out using the back seat of the car as my mobile office instead of loitering in the nearby cafe. It's not bad. Airconditioning (under my control), sound system (also under my control), a 60W USB-C PD port to power my laptop, cupholders for my coffee, and a pleasant view outside. The main problem is that hotspotting off my phone is murdering my mobile data quota, but I'd have that problem in the cafe too (no WiFi).

tagesschau, to random German
@tagesschau@ard.social avatar

Wie BYD den europäischen Markt für E-Autos erobern will

Es ist eine Kampfansage, um den europäischen Markt zu erobern: BYD, der chinesische Weltmarktführer, schickt seine E-Autos nun mit einem eigenen Frachter direkt nach Deutschland. Die Branche hofft auf Schützenhilfe aus Brüssel.

➡️ https://www.tagesschau.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/byd-europa-expansion-100.html?at_medium=mastodon&at_campaign=tagesschau.de

thejapantimes, to business
@thejapantimes@mastodon.social avatar

Startups have spent years working toward a world in which wireless charging for electric cars goes mainstream. As EV adoption picks up, momentum is building to make that dream a reality. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/business/2024/02/22/tech/wireless-ev-charging/

thejapantimes, to business
@thejapantimes@mastodon.social avatar

European carmakers are now thinking the unthinkable, exploring tie-ups with sworn competitors to make cheaper EVs and fend off existential threats. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/business/2024/02/21/companies/europe-reboot-car-industry/

spacelizard, to TeslaMotors
@spacelizard@aus.social avatar

Looks fast standing still, as the saying goes.

A couple months in and I'm still really happy with the BYD Seal. The switch to electric has turned out to be really easy. This has probably been helped by choosing an EV that is, from a driver's perspective, very conventional (A separate driver's instruments display! Indicator stalks! Physical buttons!) but it is also reflective of the fact that electric cars are now mature tech, with more than enough range for most people's needs. In fact I think that for most people electric cars are already better overall. Better to ride in (quieter, roomier cabins) and better to drive (smooth, instant and abundant acceleration). The main issues are the still higher costs and access to home charging for renters and residents of units, but both of those are becoming less of a problem over time.

CelloMomOnCars, (edited ) to coffee
@CelloMomOnCars@mastodon.social avatar

Carmakers say that the American public can't afford electric SUVs.
But won't sell smaller affordable EVs.

Still .

"Under the revised final regulation expected to be made public as soon as next month, the EPA will slow the pace of its proposed yearly requirements through 2030. The new pace is expected to result in accounting for less than 60% of total vehicles produced by 2030, the sources said."


https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/biden-administration-relax-ev-rule-tailpipe-emissions-ny-times-2024-02-18/

[Edit to add "American"]

CelloMomOnCars,
@CelloMomOnCars@mastodon.social avatar

"At $US15,000, ’s new EV is already being touted as a “Corolla killer”, as the world’s second largest EV maker continues to disrupt the global auto market."

https://thedriven.io/2024/02/22/corolla-killer-byd-launches-us15000-ev-in-direct-attack-on-legacy-makers/

It's perhaps less a killer than a successor: The Toyota Corolla (and the Honda Civic) showed up among the lumbering American 1970s road boats the way Indonesian spices finally brought some taste to Dutch food in the 1600s.

Smol Chinese EVs will be disruptive like that.

donwatkins, to TeslaMotors
@donwatkins@fosstodon.org avatar

BYD launches $15K Qin Plus EV kicking off price war with gas cars https://electrek.co/2024/02/19/byd-launches-15k-qin-plus-ev-kicking-off-price-war-gas-cars/

bodomenke, (edited ) to TeslaMotors
@bodomenke@hessen.social avatar

Tomorrow I will be driving a BYD Seal and the new Tesla Model 3 Long Range.

Reason is that I have to order an new car (first world problem, I know).

However, to streamline my decision process, I have set up a Google doc to tick off my checks. If you are interested, pls take a look:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Td0n9taFId3qmHSsYaK27PEXcHkbw0W9GWdEo34PyG8/edit?usp=sharing

If you want to contribute with other EVs (e.g. VW ID7), please let me know, I will then give you write access to the sheet.

welcome

bodomenke, (edited )
@bodomenke@hessen.social avatar

BYD Seal

Design? Acceptable outerior design. Poser-blinker-lights ()! Interior design was obviously done when design department was on vacation.

Digital? Total fail. Center display is an Android phone on steroids. Crapy design and menus.
Driving? Feels like on a swing boat. Recuperation? No one-pedal-drive. Car behaves like a car with automatic gearbox.

Finishing? Excellent!

Conclusion: Nice car for elderly people transitioning from a combustion engine.

itnewsbot, to cars
@itnewsbot@schleuss.online avatar

BYD may build electric vehicle factory in Mexico for US market - Enlarge / BYD does most of its manufacturing in China, but that is rapi... - https://arstechnica.com/?p=2003247

thejapantimes, to business
@thejapantimes@mastodon.social avatar

When Chinese battery manufacturer BYD showed off its newest car model in 2007, analysts laughed. No one is laughing now. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/business/2024/02/12/companies/china-byd-tesla-killer/

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