KristianHarstad,
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People are getting paid for -written , in an 's name, when in fact the author did not, and knew nothing about this happening.

Then, when the author tries to do something about it to stop this obvious , they are told no.

jonhendry,
@jonhendry@iosdev.space avatar

@KristianHarstad

Start filling Amazon with AI-generated books "by Jeff Bezos" or the current CEO.

rina,
@rina@norden.social avatar

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jonhendry,
@jonhendry@iosdev.space avatar

@rina

"If I Did It" by Jeff Bezos
"My Kampf" by Jeff Bezos

would probably get his attention on the problem regardless of his artistic ability.

StuartGray,

@KristianHarstad Worth saying that this problem isn't strictly an AI one, it's a fundamtental Amazon store problem. One that Amazon has known about for years and failed to do anything to crack down on.

Yes, AI makes it somewhat easier to create new books, but even before that pirates simply ripped off an Authors existing books and resold them using the same Amazon flaw.

This also happens with physical goods of all kinds with fake knock-offs.

It's a cost of doing business on Amazon.

marjolica,

@StuartGray @KristianHarstad Yes it is an Amazon problem.
But surely it could happen even if you refuse to publish on Amazon?

StuartGray,

@marjolica @KristianHarstad Yes, unfortunately.

I don't know what the answer is, but I suspect lack of tough, effective Tech regulation is a big part of the reason Amazon can continue to get away with it.

Most politicians around the world seem permanently distracted by either the latest panic trend such as AI at the moment, or one of the longer term favourites like encryption backdoors vs. CSAM.

mensrea,
@mensrea@freeradical.zone avatar

@StuartGray it seems like this this should fall under the legal premise of - Passing Off. @marjolica @KristianHarstad

JohnShirley2023,
@JohnShirley2023@mastodon.cloud avatar

@KristianHarstad What I would tell Jane: I think actually something can be done but it requires a deep dive with amazon. One has to be very, very persistent with their customer service and complaints dept. Also, you can try to get in touch with Amazon's legal dept. They have one.This may take a deep dive too. Then say, "I'm going to have to go to court if this doesn't stop". They ARE liable at amazon, and they know it. Finally, pay a lawyer to serve a cease and desist. It would be worth it .

deirdrebeth,
@deirdrebeth@mas.to avatar

@KristianHarstad

If nothing else, a Goodreads Librarian should be able to create a 2nd profile with the same name (people do share names!) and link the books to that profile instead. :-/

peachfront,
@peachfront@toot.community avatar

@KristianHarstad

This is easily fixed on Goodreads -- people have the same name all the time, sot they've had a fix for at least 8 years.

Hubby's name is Roger Williams! Goodreads put in some hidden characters in his name so his books are only associated with him, other Roger Williams have their own author's page Like so https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/14958993.Roger_Williams

GR librarians are busy, don't distract them by raising the issue that the other author of the same name is bad or AI. Just separate the pages!

tipjip,
@tipjip@bonn.social avatar

@KristianHarstad
Just say it's your book and ask when the money from amazon will arrive in your account?

AlisonW,

@KristianHarstad
I wonder whether there might be an option to sue the person who published the fakes for libel, for suggesting that the putative author had actually written such drivel?

simon_brooke,
@simon_brooke@mastodon.scot avatar

@AlisonW @KristianHarstad Surely the people to sue for defamation are Amazon, since it is they who have linked the books to Ms Friedman's name?

AlisonW,

@simon_brooke @KristianHarstad
I read "being sold on Amazon" as them being the retailer rather than publisher, but frankly I'd suggest she goes after the lot as they're all libelling her.

courtcan,
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@KristianHarstad One of the things authors like Friedman can do is send their readers to those fake book listings and 1-star review-bomb them into the ground.

simon_brooke,
@simon_brooke@mastodon.scot avatar

@courtcan @KristianHarstad But that will affect her own rating, since they are being passed off (by Amazon) as her books.

courtcan,
@courtcan@mastodon.social avatar

@simon_brooke @KristianHarstad Oh, right. Duh, I forgot about that part. ☹️😫

Ye gods but I hate Amazon. I sell my own books there, but I wish other vendors would get competitive with that beast.

CandaceRobbAuthor,
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courtcan,
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@CandaceRobbAuthor @simon_brooke @KristianHarstad I will, thank you! 😊🖖

Ash_Crow,
@Ash_Crow@mastodon.social avatar

@courtcan @KristianHarstad don't you need to buy the book to be able to leave a review on Amazon?

courtcan,
@courtcan@mastodon.social avatar

@Ash_Crow @KristianHarstad I don't think so. But there is the chance that Amazon will remove the review if it's not a "verified purchase." 🫤

However, as someone else pointed out, leaving bad reviews on the fake books would drive down views of the author's actual books. Friedman is right, there is no simple solution here. 😡

rastilin,

@KristianHarstad

Yeah, I don't see how this helps Amazon, since now people will learn, like with SSDs, not to buy stuff off Amazon.

tdelmas,
@tdelmas@mamot.fr avatar

@KristianHarstad What can be done? As amazon linked them to her profile, she could une privacy laws like gdpr.

n3wjack,
@n3wjack@mastodon.social avatar

@tdelmas @KristianHarstad this has nothing to do with gdpr. There is no privacy issue here. Fraud probably, or counterfeiting like with fake brand products being sold

tdelmas,
@tdelmas@mamot.fr avatar

@n3wjack @KristianHarstad gdpr is not only about privacy. It gives you the right to correct personal information, and regulate the usage of it.

n3wjack,
@n3wjack@mastodon.social avatar

@tdelmas @KristianHarstad a list of books per writer isn't really personal information right? It's public info, you can find that in any library. I don't know if GDPR applies to this.

tdelmas,
@tdelmas@mamot.fr avatar

@n3wjack @KristianHarstad personal data is any information that can be linked to an individual. So yes, including "public" information.

Lazarou,
@Lazarou@mastodon.social avatar

@KristianHarstad Amazon wants to trash it's book selling business does it? Did they look at what Zoom did yesterday and thought "fuck the customers" as well?

filipesm,

@KristianHarstad "my name is not trademarked" what a timeline we live in, my friend

Jeramee,
@Jeramee@mastodon.social avatar

@filipesm @KristianHarstad

It's also BS. Names don't have to be trademarked.

This is clearly a tort, but the employee didn't want to go through the process of doing the right thing.

It's very likely a crime too, and Amazon could be pursued as an accessory after the fact for identity theft, fraud, etc.

Taco_lad,
@Taco_lad@aus.social avatar

@KristianHarstad ahh electronic fraud.

azonenberg,
@azonenberg@ioc.exchange avatar

@KristianHarstad Amazon may not be interested in doing anything about it, but a local prosecutor may have a different opinion on the matter.

IANAL but at least in my neck of the woods, this would probably qualify as a violation of https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9a.60.040

"assumes a false identity and does any act in his or her assumed character with intent to defraud"

Publishing a book with someone else's name on it probably qualifies as assuming a false identity. And it's not hard to argue that (if you're a previously published author) that the creator of the books intended to defraud people thinking they were buying your work.

I look forward to watching the first court case brought on these grounds.

fenarinarsa,
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@KristianHarstad She cannot take them down on copyright ground because AI work cannot be copyrighted. So it's actually public domain...

keul,
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@fenarinarsa @KristianHarstad First thing to do it so file a complain for identity theft. Then send a copy of the complain to Amazon. It's not a copyright issue but an identity issue.

fenarinarsa,
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RL_Dane,
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@KristianHarstad

Holy freaking hell.

zleap,
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@KristianHarstad

This sounds like it was inevitable but it also is a very dangerous turn of events.

simon_brooke, (edited )
@simon_brooke@mastodon.scot avatar

@KristianHarstad If you plan to write books for publication, you clearly (now) need to trademark your name.

xs4me2,
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loke,
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@KristianHarstad If the author is in Europe, there is a recourse, I think. There is a way to request that false information is removed.

However, I'm not a legal expert, so I'll leave it at that.

suetanvil,
@suetanvil@freeradical.zone avatar

@KristianHarstad

I saw this one coming.

bitterly high-fives myself

suetanvil,
@suetanvil@freeradical.zone avatar

@KristianHarstad

Also: defamation lawsuit may be the best option here.

SapphicLawyer,
@SapphicLawyer@esq.social avatar

@suetanvil @KristianHarstad
Could be better off doing a false light lawsuit, where you sue for making false but not necessarily defamatory claims about someone.

Could also sue for improper use of likeness maybe?

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