To anyone thinking about joining BlueSky, especially artists: everything you post is sent to a third party for AI labeling.
BlueSky uses AI to label content for moderation, and to do that they use a company called https://thehive.ai. If you look through their privacy policy, you will see that they can use content sent to them to train models for all their services, which include generative AI for both text and images.
@einalex I especially like it when people come here to complain about how awful it is over there, then go back because they like it there better @FluffyDeveloper
@twilliability@sushee They should tell their users though. One thing is to have your content scraped by some random company, another is for the company you give your data to to give it to someone else who will use it for training.
@FluffyDeveloper This may be misleading -- The text of Hive's privacy policy is pretty boilerplate standard across many websites that take on user or third-party content
Hive is also used by at least one artist website that's aggressively anti-AI
@FluffyDeveloper Dorsey doesn't own Hive. He's not part of Hive's operation and that's not the point anyway.
Hive privacy policy looks like a boilerplate used by nearly every website. Unless I'm missing something, here's nothing that says they're going to use it for nefarious purposes any more than any other social media platform.
@micahdraws They specifically say they will use content given to them to train their models.
It’s not nefarious, but the point of the fediverse is to not be tied to private companies with this kind of behavior. Otherwise we may just as well all go back to Twitter.
@FluffyDeveloper Where does it say this? I've been reading Hive's privacy policy and can't find anything that says they specifically use it, so if it's there, I'm overlooking it.
@micahdraws yes but most websites don’t provide generative AI services x3
Besides, users should always be told where their data is stored, sent, and used for. Maybe there is nothing to it and Hive throw everything away after labeling it, but there is no way to know for sure and seeing the kind of people involved in BlueSky it is more than fair to expect the worse.
It’s not misinformation, there is a literal line of code with a commit attached to it and a privacy policy that is very vague.
@FluffyDeveloper@hyc yeah and to be honest it’s not that great of an experience there are no hash tags, it’s still on one server basically. Just rinse and repeat of #twitter#bluesky
@FluffyDeveloper@hyc yeah from what I’ve seen they don’t seem to work and no one uses them notice the lack of hashtags in all the screen shots I just made from #bluesky I was researching different decentralized alternatives to #twitter
@FluffyDeveloper@ff00aa Lol, everything you post here is used to train generative models too, unless your account is marked private (maybe). It’s just not mastodon themselves doing it. Everything on the public internet is being vacuumed up.
@FluffyDeveloper Frankly if bluesky doing this without stating as such in their own privacy policy that's twice as disgusting tbh. Thank you so much for pointing this out either way. I'll be sure to use this info to warn others
And the applicable part appears to be this bit (anything you post on Bluesky is completely public anyway, so it I guess it doesn't really matter whether they send it somewhere or whether someone harvests it directly):
@SteffoSpieler It's another social media network created by the same people who backed Twitter and Nostr. Instead of going with ActivityPub however, they decided to make their own VC-backed protocol called AT.
The protocol itself is not too bad, but its controlled by private companies and BlueSky has decided to basically avoid moderation and offload everything to AI labelling.
In short: it's decentralised Twitter with venture capitalists trying to control their own fediverse :/
@FluffyDeveloper@digslogic94 this is what I was wondering - how many AI trainers have simply subscribed to a fediverse endpoint to vacuum up all the posts from everyone.
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