juergen_hubert,
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Many lost souls appear as "fiery men" - humanoid apparitions of living flames.

@austria @folklore
https://www.patreon.com/posts/blessings-upon-47613599

TruthSandwich,

@juergen_hubert @austria @folklore

TIL: German folk tales are mostly superstitious Christian propaganda.

juergen_hubert,
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@TruthSandwich @austria @folklore Well, I doubt that the ones who go:

"You can easily make a deal with the Devil and then weasel out without any consequences!"

should be considered "Christian canon".

Not to mention some of the "Bible fanfiction" I have come across.

TruthSandwich,

@juergen_hubert @austria @folklore

They’re not canon, they’re folklore. Folk Christianity is syncretic; it accepts the existence of (historically pre-Christian) supernatural entities while relegating them to a subordinate, often demonized position in Christian lore.

The Christian aspect is that, whatever Satanic creature opposes you, Christian prayer can save you.

juergen_hubert,
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@TruthSandwich @austria @folklore "Propaganda" implies that it is written by people deliberately trying to spread their beliefs to as many other people as possible.

Folklore, on the other hand, was told to small audiences, mouth to mouth, frequently for entertainment purposes - and the actual authorities frequently frowned on them.

TruthSandwich,

@juergen_hubert @austria @folklore

I think it’s both. Folklore is organic, but the Christian propaganda part is more church-led.

Essentially, it was a way for organized religion to subvert folklore.

This is part of a broader pattern, such as patron gods being relegated to the lesser status of messengers for the boss (angels) or the enemy (demons).

juergen_hubert,
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@TruthSandwich @austria @folklore Yes, folk stories are shaped by religious beliefs, including those pushed by the authorities.

But we should not discount the agency of folk storytellers. They had their own motivations, and I feel calling these stories "propaganda" is doing them disservice.

TruthSandwich,

@juergen_hubert @austria @folklore

One of their motivations was to spread Christianity.

juergen_hubert,
@juergen_hubert@thefolklore.cafe avatar

@TruthSandwich

Not in the time and place most of these tales were recorded (19th century Germany/Austria/Switzerland), and I wager not for some centuries before that.

Does a fish in the ocean think of spreading the waters?

_bydbach_,
@_bydbach_@hcommons.social avatar

@juergen_hubert And then there was Edmund Jones traipsing all over the Welsh countryside, totes believing in the supernatural because that too was an expression of the divine.

raymccarthy,
@raymccarthy@historians.social avatar

@TruthSandwich @juergen_hubert @austria @folklore
Oh, I don't think so. Maybe some are. I've met superstitious Christians that would make Cromwell's Witchfinder seem sensible.

TruthSandwich,

@raymccarthy @juergen_hubert @austria @folklore

Look at the story I’m replying to. It’s all about Christian prayer as the antidote to folk-story monsters.

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