Bluesky and AT protocol

thisismissem,
@thisismissem@hachyderm.io avatar

So, kinda like mentioned people only posts, ish.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@josh @thisismissem They definitely want to use some existing solution (they've mentioned MLS), but it will take a lot of time to research and implement and test properly, and they wanted to have something in the meantime because a lot of people want it and they want it now

josh,
@josh@josh.tel avatar

@mackuba @thisismissem Oh that's good to hear, a very understandable approach – thank you for sharing!

I can appreciate the difficulty of navigating tradeoffs between meeting demand and getting a good long term solution in place 😅

fenarinarsa, (edited )
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe avatar

DMs are now available on Bluesky.

They're temporarily centralized to give some time to the devs to create a decentralized encrypted DM system.

fenarinarsa,
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe avatar

@Rathmox Le but c'est de l'intégrer à AT protocol et d'utiliser le même protocole pour faire les comptes privés. Je pense que s'ils avaient choisi XMPP ils l'auraient déjà implémenté :)

Rathmox,
@Rathmox@shelter.moe avatar

@fenarinarsa effectivement

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

launched DMs! 👀 (not federated or encrypted yet, just a v1) https://bsky.app/profile/bsky.app/post/3kt3y33tk4w2m

Took them like a month to build it all from start to finish :0

Ciantic,
@Ciantic@twit.social avatar

@mackuba and is on by default from people you follow, which means abuse is way smaller.

How they built it is simple but effective for their user base which doesn't care about federation.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@Ciantic Yeah, and the UI parts at least can mostly be reused when they implement some better version later

arnie_dxer, Polish
@arnie_dxer@mastodon.radio avatar

Whoa I can now send DMs on #Bluesky 💬 🔥 ❤️

Krustinaut, German
@Krustinaut@sueden.social avatar

Einen von hier zu , gibt es da was brauchbares?

glynmoody,
@glynmoody@mastodon.social avatar

The ‘vote Trump’ spam that hit in May came from decentralized rival - https://techcrunch.com/2024/05/21/the-vote-trump-spam-that-hit-bluesky-in-may-came-from-decentralized-rival-nostr/ fascinating stuff

fabiocosta0305,
@fabiocosta0305@ursal.zone avatar

@glynmoody that thought they could be better than Scuttlebutt

glynmoody,
@glynmoody@mastodon.social avatar

@fabiocosta0305 yes, interesting development

notizie, Italian

<a class="invalid-href" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank" title="Protocollo collegamento non valido">L'aggiornamento di Ryan Barret sul bridge con Bluesky</a>

@fediverso

Di seguito il post di @snarfed.org@snarfed.org che dimostra una non comune efficacia nella più trasparente comunicazione dello sviluppo e aggiornamento del bridge tra #Fediverso e #bluesky

Tempo di aggiornamento dello stato del Bridgy Fed! Sono state un paio di settimane impegnative. Sono felice di riferire che ho fatto notevoli progressi su tre dei miei quattro obiettivi dell'ultima volta (affidabilità, ritardi e bug) e ho migliorato una serie di altre cose lungo il percorso. Ecco un esempio:

  • Modificato Bluesky => fediverso dal polling al firehose . Ciò lo ha reso molto meno traballante e ha ridotto il ritardo di 5-15 m a pochi secondi.
  • Risolto il problema con fediverse => Bluesky rimaneva bloccato per molti account. Ho preso alcune scorciatoie nella mia infrastruttura Bluesky e sono tornate a mordermi. C'è ancora del lavoro da fare, ma i problemi visibili agli utenti dovrebbero essere in gran parte risolti.
  • Vari problemi con la ricerca degli account bot, il loro seguito e l'avvio del bridge .
    Immagini fisse in Bluesky => post fediverse.
    Implementata l'eliminazione dei post, Bluesky => fediverse. (Fediverse => Bluesky stava già funzionando.)
  • Risolto il problema relativo al bridging delle risposte in entrambe le direzioni.
  • Risolti collegamenti , menzioni e hashtag , in entrambe le direzioni . Ancora alcuni pezzi rotti qui, in particolare i riferimenti a Bluesky => fediverse, ma per il resto ora dovrebbero essere molto migliori.
  • Primo passaggio al filtraggio dello spam.

A parte le manichette antincendio, un'area degna di nota su cui non mi sono ancora concentrato è l'infrastruttura . Finora la scalabilità è ok, ma potrebbe essere molto migliore e molto più efficiente. Dovrò lavorarci su presto. Se noti che passa un po' di tempo senza molti miglioramenti visibili all'utente, probabilmente è proprio quello che sta succedendo.

Altrimenti, grazie per tutti i feedback, le domande e le segnalazioni di bug ! Per favore, continuate a farli arrivare. Come sempre, puoi seguire l' etichetta now in GitHub per vedere su cosa mi sto concentrando. Ci vediamo sul ponte!

brianvastag,
@brianvastag@sciencemastodon.com avatar

Deleted my account. Turning into another fucking twitter over there.

vegos_f06,

@brianvastag J. Dorsey left!

Cheesealicious,
@Cheesealicious@snaggletooth.life avatar

I'm thinking of checking out now that dorsey left, but I can't find a list of bluesky servers/instances. Is the federation feature too new? I just don't wanna do bluesky.social because I don't want the bs of being in a mainstream instance.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@Cheesealicious There's also no such thing as "The Algorithm" on Bluesky like on Twitter/Threads. There is instead a system where anyone can built their own "feeds" that pick posts using any filter or algorithm, and there's something like 50k of them right now. You can follow and pin any of them, and now you can even replace the default "Following" feed with some feed that you like.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@Cheesealicious So, on the Fediverse, the instance is your community, your handle, hosts your data, does moderation for you and serves a web UI.

On , you use bsky.app (or 3rd party app) as the UI, host data on the PDS, use any domain as the handle, subscribe to some number of selected moderation services, and use search, hashtags and custom feeds to find interesting content and people.

davidbisset,
@davidbisset@phpc.social avatar

At this point, if you go to #Bluesky just to document bad things happening to that particular social network or to report back to #Mastodon what people on a social network say about people here… I envy the time you have at your disposal.

bobmagicii,
@bobmagicii@phpc.social avatar

@davidbisset for real i barely have enough time to make fun of the people here, yet alone a 2nd network.

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

I sometimes wonder how things would've looked on if the first beta had been ready just 6 months earlier, if all those people who left Twitter for Mastodon could have gone there…

I've just checked the hashtag feed for and apparently there were 19 posts in total… (and 9 of those from me) 😕

pshadov,
@pshadov@mas.to avatar

@mackuba but what about #swift :D

mackuba,
@mackuba@martianbase.net avatar

@pshadov … you know what… I haven't actually checked, because I assumed it would be just Taylor Swift, but there's actually quite a lot of relevant posts on #swift apparently 😄

fenarinarsa,
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe avatar

Bluesky now allows you to unpin or even remove the default "Following" feed and make any other custom feed the default one.

The "Following" feed is the chronological one by Bluesky but there's thousands of other custom algorithmic feeds created by other users and generated by federated third party servers.

#bluesky

axx,
@axx@mstdn.fr avatar

@fenarinarsa So this is happening. It was a goal of Bluesky and the AT protocol, and it is becoming a reality, which is neat.

fenarinarsa,
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe avatar

@axx yup federated feeds has been a reality since almost a year.
Now everything else is federated, including moderation.

Other apps have been built on ATproto as well
https://fediversereport.com/video-audio-and-blogging-japanese-bluesky-is-building-in-the-atmosphere/

And there’s also a bridge between ATproto and ActivityPub
https://www.fenarinarsa.com/?p=3176

fediversereport,
@fediversereport@mastodon.social avatar

New: Video, audio and blogging: Japanese #Bluesky is building in the ATmosphere

I take a look at 3 new products build on #atproto

Blogging with whtwnd.com
Video with bluemotion.app
Audio spaces with bluecast.app

Read at: https://fediversereport.com/video-audio-and-blogging-japanese-bluesky-is-building-in-the-atmosphere/

seanbala,
@seanbala@mas.to avatar

@fediversereport Thank you for sharing. It is exciting to see what is happening! I think your point at the end is really worth considering: is and the interested in multiple apps or is it merely a vehicle for microblogging? I don't have technical background, but I suspect that the decentralization for BSKY is more for show than practice. Critique all we like but I do think the commitment to platform diversity is there and is practiced.

maegul,
@maegul@hachyderm.io avatar

@seanbala @fediversereport

There are problems here too. I suspect this is a fundamental issue that decentralised social media hasn’t taken seriously enough. It’s a bit like back and front end people not working together well. Protocol people can be inclined to underestimate the importance of what happens in the client, which IMO is where federation actually happens, as it’s there that platforms and UIs need to get stitched together.

I’ve ranted about this before (eg: https://hachyderm.io/@maegul/112319245679533802)

fenarinarsa,
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe avatar

Bridgy Fed: how to enable federation with Bluesky for your account.

https://www.fenarinarsa.com/?p=3176

I tried to keep it short and simple.

fenarinarsa,
@fenarinarsa@shelter.moe avatar

@Yamakyu Pour une fois que je reçois un badge de MVP XD

Yamakyu,

@fenarinarsa À mon avis t'en mérite d'autres, vu ton dévouement pour aider à naviguer et s'y retrouver dans le post-Twitter :torcat_keur:

migratory, Spanish
@migratory@jorts.horse avatar

I clicked a #bluesky toot or whatever they're called and it turns out they've implemented the most critical twitter feature: in-page loading spinners that make you wait several seconds for no fucking reason before you can read less than a kilobyte of text

mackuba,
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@migratory Officially "post", unofficially "skeet" 🙃

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