evan, (edited )
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Ultranationalists are already concentrating on the effects of .

They focus on migration, crime, and war -- all of which are consequences of climate change.

Their "solutions" aren't solar panels and tree planting. They want concentration camps, military-style policing, and offensive wars.

Even if you don't care about the human and natural misery caused by climate change, if you are , you must push for immediate climate mitigation and adaptation now.

BeingOfErrth,

@evan I say "you" a lot in this reply. I am referring to the climate movement, not you personally.

The movement could learn a very great deal indeed from the and movements, you know, the grassroots.

The green movement must abandon and systematically dismantle the notion that environmental issues and fighting them is a nice little club for nice middle class white people.

I used to be a core activist with one of the big global environmental action groups. I was the only working class person there and there were no black and brown people at all other than the cleaning staff and the security staff.
I came away, after loosing everything I had (because I was a full time volunteer, food, tools, work clothes etc all had to be bought out of my pocket, so I sold all my possessions to continue the work.)

I left with the conviction and a string of convictions, that it was a nice middle class club to make the countryside nicer for people exactly like them and exactly no one else at all.

When I wasn't travelling doing or prepping for actions I'd do, among many other things, street campaigning to raise awareness of issues with the general public.
My petition signature count was as good as or better than anyones. I'd only talk to ordinary working class people because I saw that all of the other campaigners were actively ignoring them.

This is why the movement has failed by all meaningful metrics and is why it will continue to fail.

You cannot expect people in a permanent, very high state of stress from just trying to survive to throw open their arms to the universe in blissful generosity.

People who are cold in their homes and are regularly missing meals, ever more angry and ever more powerless, unable to properly provide for their children, then add all the guilt and coping strategies, that people denied all of the tools that would help them cope better have to create themselves out of nothing. Those improvised coping strategies are very unhealthy and don't really work, all they do is bury it all deeper and ever deeper, building and growing, ready to explode and destroy them and everyone around them, and they know this.

People who's very skin makes them a target for violence and death at the hands of those who are supposed to protect everyone. Who are accused of all societies failings, when it is they who have been failed and marginalised in the most inhuman brutal and relentless ways imaginable, today, tomorrow and for hundreds of years backwards.

How can you stand above them, of us, in judgement and expect them to just snap to attention at your every whim, when you won't even speak to them or communicate with them in any way. You just sit there judging on forums they don't even know exist.

Climate action must be a mass movement or it will continue to fail.

You can't say you are trying to build a mass movement if you exclude most of the people on the planet.

Throw open your doors, go into the streets and ask them to build a mass movement that works for them and their lives, actually help and empower them.

They, we, are the people who make, move, store, build, clean and maintain absolutely EVERYTHING and you wonder in disbelief why you can't build anything substantial without us.

Politicians do not work for us.
Change only ever comes from us.

fifilamoura,
@fifilamoura@eldritch.cafe avatar

@evan oh, they also want solar panels, they just want them in a society they rule.

becha,
@becha@v.st avatar
lliones,

@evan El nacionalismo, sin importar su bandera, es supremacista, excluyente e insolidario, ha causado estragos en Europa y el resurgir de los mismos demuestra que si no hacemos nada estamos condenados a revivir la historia.

richard4444,

@evan

...and we can cut to the chase. Leverage xenophobes' bigotry and self interest, for the greater good...

e.g. Southern Europe could easily be made rabid netzero fundamentalists, especially the racists. Poorer, hotter neighbours on their southern doorstep makes for simple arithmetic

Similar for North America..

(I am not sure that US Southern States realise that they will be the refugees in many cases)

forza4galiza,

@evan Fascist solution is avoid any real solution...

Paullima,
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@evan

Hi Evan,

Yes, they are bad actors who will only make the climate change crisis even worse!

i believe that you, and others who are concerned/alarmed by climate change, will likely be interested in a petition for radical reform of the UN 🇺🇳, which has been vocal but, unfortunately, ineffective when faced with climate change and other challenges of this century.

If indeed you are interested, the petition is accessible via toot:

https://toot.community/@Paullima/110685308417865108

Regards
Paul

Regardful,
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@evan The reverse is also true. “Green” voters should be as committed to antifascism as antifascists must be to climate sanity. An unaccountable “strongman” government based on force has no incentive to do anything with the earth or its resources but hoard the best bits for themselves & their friends while watching the rest of us die.

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

@Regardful an authoritarian, inequal government is inherently unstable and cannot execute on climate change mitigation.

Social justice is the only way to achieve climate goals.

shonin,
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@evan Setting the conditions by producing and running billions of things on coal and oil and gas, for shooting people which is what's really wanted by that lot

Jonathanglick,
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  • evan,
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    @Jonathanglick right. Progressives refuse to engage on the topic because it seems like high ground for nationalists.

    We need to say that creating refugees is bad, actually. That migrating on foot from central Africa or the Middle East to Europe or from South America to the USA is unnecessary suffering for millions of people.

    Having a plan for welcoming refugees, and for helping people stay in place if they want, seems like a huge part of the Transition.

    ben,
    @ben@werd.social avatar

    @evan @Jonathanglick This message is so important, and is such a huge counter-narrative to what nationalists have been peddling (certainly here, but also in every country).

    To really achieve this, we have to find a way to make Americans care about people in other nations. That honestly seems like a tall order. But I feel like other movements have successfully pulled it off before.

    And that whole core - the climate crisis is about people - needs to be turned to 11.

    Aviva_Gary,
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    @ben @evan @Jonathanglick Yes but this would require caring about people in more than the abstract (the evil icky ones the Right pushes and the idea of people until they start acting like real people the left pushes)...

    Of course, these are general terms... many people care about others but have no idea how to articulate that or what do for them in this situation... A plan for it would be nice though. 🤔

    doikayt,

    @evan @Jonathanglick > Progressives refuse to engage on the topic because it seems like high ground for nationalists.

    This checks out wrt dinner table conversations I've been having with Californian millennials.

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