Kbin.cafe on Blocking Meta's New Threads App

bionicjoey, 9 months ago

their first strike results in a block.

What do you consider a “strike”? Does Meta’s reputation and history not constitute a “strike”?

barista, 9 months ago

Good question! By and large, some of the following would count as a "strike":

• Poor moderation
• Excessive spam
• Most importantly: Making non-backwards compatible changes to the ActivityPub specification that may lead to the classic "Embrace, extend, extinguish" situation
• Probably more...

bionicjoey, 9 months ago

Does Meta not already have a long history of poor moderation?

admiralteal, 9 months ago

Threads as it exists now is poorly moderated in that it is 90% shameless self-promotional commercial content.

If your instance doesn't have a policy against horrible undisclosed commercial promotion, I want nothing to do with it. If it does, Threads already has hundreds of thousands of strikes.

Ragnell, 9 months ago

By all accounts they haven't even federated yet and it's full of corporate spam.

50gp, 9 months ago

is it even possible to federate with them without receiving thousands of posts per minute of barely moderated content that would drown everything else in the feed?

kukkurovaca, 9 months ago

Poor moderation like not moderating hate speech or punishing users for wanting accessibility?

livus, 9 months ago

Most importantly: Making non-backwards compatible changes

That's the shift into "Extend" - they won't do this until their Embrace phase has enmeshed their users with other fediverse users so that defederation affects people's subscriptions.

Teppic, 9 months ago

I'm actually hoping Google or Microsoft or Apple etc create a compatible activity pub based service. That would create balance and make 'extend' problematic for meta.

I also think we need state actors and universities to start using Mastodon (not Twitter) - again that would make it difficult for Meta to deviate from standards.

Eggyhead, 9 months ago

I’d say any automated/integrated effort to direct users of federated instances to the threads site to view content should count as a strike. (Such as needing to go directly to the threads site to view an image that could be easily posted anyway.)

So should any automated/integrated effort to encourage users to make their own threads account. (Such as needing an account to visit this link or view this image.)

Any attempt to coerce non threads users to sign any sort of agreement or TOS with threads.

As well as any data collection on non threads users. Merely interacting with a federated threads account should not entitle meta to any data collection of that user.

shamus, 9 months ago

Will blocking Theads on the fediverse prevent following individual accounts from there? If so that feels like a massive problem. I can understand wanting to ensure Threads doesn't start feeding ads and propaganda into the general fediverse streams and that would warrant a strike, but not being able to follow individuals feels like breaking the whole idea of fediverse.

Tetra, 9 months ago

Isn't Threads already illegal in Europe? There's your first strike

Madison_rogue, 9 months ago

Not necessarily, however there are questions on compliance with the EU's Digital Markets Act which went into effect in May,. So the platform has been delayed until Meta determines or gets guidance from the EU to comply with the law.

The whole reason Threads was launched had everything to do with how Musk has been mismanaging Twitter over the past few months, and most especially the past week. This is why the platform is partly unfinished. Zucks took the opportunity to move up launch to capitalize on Twitter's mistakes.

And it looks like it worked.