I originally went with kbin over Lemmy because the kbin webapp looked and functioned (for me) so much better. But now Memmy has gotten pretty good and close to Apollo so I’ve moved there. For me it’s all about ease of interaction/function.
Lemmy has some bonus points which at the time when I signed up (I joined Beehaw around the same time) that Lemmy does (or didn't) have.
Blocking domains, blocking instances (coming soon), better UI (subjectively), user styles to add extra features, each community has a "normal topics in a forum" and a "Twitter-lite" area for different post types, I believe kbin has better integration/federation with Mastodon (which I also use) compared to lemmy, along with others I'm probably forgetting. (Edit: Forgot one lol, on kbin we can see upvotes and downvotes, as well as (on a topic by topic basis) you can see who upvoted and downvoted things, which I get some people wont like, and some will like, but we also have that on kbin, and can see those stats across instances of kbin & lemmy).
I don't follow your end of the development so Lemmy may have some of those in the pipeline, or may already have some added, but at least a month ago it was a bonus on this end. The lack of an API right now does suck since it limits the app thing, but they will have an API, several of the apps devs have already said kbin will be included when time comes, and kbin mobile is honestly real good regardless so it works out.
These days the standard is to create an API Doc out of a OpenAPI document generated from the code itself. Someone will probably contribute to it at some point.
Yeah, that’s a problem with a lot of FOSS passion projects. We devs kinda like writting code, but not really documenting it. Hopefully with the influx of devs helping that will improve
I don’t really like all the LLM hype, but I’m hoping that documentation will eventually be generated by some open source model, with human verification
It’s a pretty major pain point for a lot of local libraries, too. I’m so glad I have the option to dig through the source code of functions if I can’t figure them out.
I think having a link aggregator is going to be so great for the fediverse. It allows us to gather content from all over the internet and bring to to the often secluded fediverse.
It also means we can post links to fediverse discussions and draw people in.
Should be interesting to see how the fediverse in general handles more traffic, as we’ve seen with kbin and lemmy over the last month or so there are certainly some growing pains
at least we are making the most of our new space here, we all seem to be building something fun here ghost
The creator of the sub is heavily biased towards kbin, so they restricted r/lemmymigration to sway people towards kbin. They don’t seem to be willing to give the subreddit to someone who actually cares about Lemmy either.
Yeah it’s very unfortunate, those subs could bring alot more people to the fediverse if they weren’t so biased, specially with the fantastic apps Lemmy has already.
The Lemmy subreddit directed people to Lemmy at first, but after the creator was made aware of controversies surrounding the developers and lemmy.ml, they decided to restrict the Lemmy sub and forward people to the kbin subreddit instead.
Anyone who had an ounce of self respect threw Reddit in the gutter, where spez sleeps. Almost all subreddits have become trashcans bar the very small hobbyist niche ones, or stalwarts like r/headphones (even it has started to become a brag place and less of technical one).
I still browse Reddit through Libreddit/Teddit frontends and RedReader/Infinity, and it is becoming a low quality joke, which is great to see.
I’ve been using the Memmy app and it does a decent job of improving the experience for an Apollo refugee, makes the transition away from Reddit much easier
I encountered a weird bug with connect, where I’m logged in, but I can’t access my profile or inbox. Some parts of the app think I’m logged in, others do not.
Could that be to do with when some instances got compromised and they had to log everyone out? I had to log out and back in as my profile/inbox weren’t showing after that, but it’s been fine since then.
Not sure when you last tried Jerboa. It really shit the bed during the Lemmy 0.18 transition period but it’s been working a lot better since Jerboa v38 and is quite smooth.
Voyager definitely needs to add some loading/activity indicators and implement better separation between interface and data fetching. But it’s definitely the cleanest UI I’ve tried so far.
did you had those issues with lemmy.world? because i had the same issues with jerboa and other apps on lemmy.world. seems to be an issue with the instance not apps.
My lemmy.world instance used to be painfully slow, but it works perhaps faster than established big social sites now, probably due to the lack of trackers.
They’ve progressed very rapidly. Personally I don’t think we’re still in the “very buggy” era. I’m participating daily without major issues. There’s just a lot left to build.
I don't think lemmy is still growing. I might be wrong but this graph https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse
is trending down and i've seen a lot of smaller magazines/communities that haven't had any posts for 1-2weeks by now.
I try to help that problem at little but i doubt lemmy&kbin has >100k active users right now.
According to the graph it accounts for active users within the last 30 days. 30Days ago the reddit strike started and an influx of people started posting. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people haven't been here since. There was a lot of performance and other issues with lemmy&kbin at that time.
There is also always a flurry of people trying out accounts in multiple instances whenever there's a migration wave, so not only are we seeing people who dipped a toe in only to leave, or go back to Reddit, but we're seeing the effect of people understanding how the ecosystem works better and settling into a single active account.
I think that’s normal. People will try out Lemmy but if they notice that the communities they frequent doesn’t have a lot of content they’ll just leave back to reddit.
We can hope for organic growth but it’ll take a long time (especially with how big reddit is)
But the entire point of getting the info from Reddit is so I didn’t have to do that. Why watch seven hours of wrestling per week when I could watch two minutes of highlights and read discussions of the events?
Lemmy will still be receiving stragglers. E.g. I only signed up yesterday! I only went on Reddit once every few weeks or so, and thus only just found out where my communities had migrated to. I’m sure there are many users like me who haven’t yet followed their communities to their new homes.
True but I’ve heard that Discuit and Squabbles are well under 10k users apiece so the majority of refugees came to Lemmy I think. Which makes sense because those alternatives are centralized anyway, so they were never going to solve the problem we were running from.
Ok, I want to say we should get them over to Lemmy, but everything will work itself out in due time. I’m just happy that’s 30k more people who left reddit.
Yeah, I see the same but the community sprawl was vast there in early June. There appears to be a pretty healthy base forming. Pruning dead communities does need to happen somehow though. A admin tool is gonna need to be likely.
I think what you’re seeing is stagnation or downtrends in certain communities, but still growth. As more people come to Lemmy they are finding the instance that works the best for them. lemmy.world has the biggest user base. They will continue to grow while others shrink as people want to be where the action is. This may fluctuate or change in the future.
Do you mean users that don’t understand federation will think they need to be on lemmy.world? My account is not on lemmy.world and I don’t miss out on anything from other instances
How did you get that?! I was simply saying that lemmy world is the biggest instance right now and people naturally click to where more people are. That’s it. Pretty straight forward and simple.
Your comment implied that people would choose an instance based on popularity. I was pointing out that popularity does not correlate with content and community if you are on another fully federated instance.
We have also seen the weaknesses of being on a large instance recently, where lemmy.world issues affected a significant number of users
I think it is currently growing, as in more people will visit tomorrow than did today, but also it has shrank since a couple weeks ago when everyone was hyping it up as a reddit alternative and trying it out. Not everyone who came to try it has stayed.
A lot of people just want the endless scroll. No need to comment or post, just consume the posts. They would go back to Reddit for now because Lemmy is not a decade old content machine.
The dip is attributable to kbin which has some weirdness around active user counts, largely because they don’t keep track of them, so I’m not surprised that their numbers might vary somewhat over time.
Otherwise, yea, it’d be accurate to say that the migration wave has come to an end. Mastodon went through multiple waves over the years so we’ll see what happens from here. I for one am rather happy with how lemmy (and kbin) have turned out and am not desperate that a hole bunch more people come over.
My biggest concern is that there isn’t more cross talk between lemmy and mastodon, and that’s because the fediverse is yet to actually do a good job of making the boundaries between platforms thinner. There are many conversations going on in parallel that would be happy to connect but can’t because the fediverse hasn’t worked out a way to make that work well (yet).
My biggest concern isn’t that there isn’t more cross talk between lemmy and mastodon, and that’s because the fediverse is yet to actually do a good job of making the boundaries between platforms thinner. There are many conversations going on in parallel that would be happy to connect but can’t because the fediverse hasn’t worked out a way to make that work well (yet).
I’m unsure how to subscribe to a person who toots on mastodon and have their toots show up as some form of post here.
Lemmy has no way to follow a person, so it’s impossible. Not sure where such thing sits on a roadmap or whatever, but I get the impression it isn’t a priority, at all maybe.
Lemmy does federate decently with mastodon though, as you point out, so consuming lemmy content from mastodon can work, but isn’t great. Following a community for instance provides all posts and comments, which quickly becomes a firehose. I imagine most don’t do that for long.
Following lemmy accounts on the other hand, IME, works nicely, as only posts are federated over, which is a much more manageable feed.EDIT: Sorry, this was wrong, comments as well as posts from a specific user do get federated across.
And replies all work well too, so once you’ve made contact with a thread on mastodon by replying, it will all behave naturally for the mastodon platform, which is quite nice to see actually.
There’s also kbin, which tries to fuse the two platforms, but even there, you can’t look at a feed of just the people you follow.
the-federation.info/platform/73 – try this one instead. Click on the major instances and then check “active users this month” or “posts” or “comments” and you’ll see that it’s doing quite well in terms of the content snowball.
Estimated active users is about 70k on Lemmy. Not sure about kbin. However, active on Lemmy means posted or commented, so the lurkers should be higher.
Kbin probably only has around 20k active users, Lemmy has about 70k. And I’m not sure kbin federation is working perfectly either. If you’re looking for more content I’d recommend making a lemmy account, it’s possible that you’re not seeing everything from your kbin account.
A one-day minor downtick isn’t a trend when it’s been up day-over-day for a while now. I’m sure the user counts will ebb and flow over time, but as long as the community stays healthy and the big social media companies keep being greedy, I think this platform has a good shot at long-term viability.
That’s OK. Lemmy doesn’t need to be huge and we have had a lot of apps developed for it and there have been a lot of donations to help the platform grow. I think it is large enough now to survive and will slowly grow over time.
Just wait for the next big Reddit mistake. People will come over to Lemmy again and it will be a better place than last time.
I think people are because of the latest trends in social media thinking that you need to be huge to be successful. While you do need a certain threshold of people, semi-anonymous social media really doesn’t need to be that big. Just big enough to sustain enough little bit niche communities. That doesn’t just need users it needs time. People have this habit of hoping someone else will do the heavy lifting. And while I am not able to mod because IRL, I am still looking into niche communities here to see if I can help in some way as contributor. Just need to get through my imposter syndrome in that I don’t really feel good enough for comment creator.
I’d love to see some stats on reddit engagement now. Anecdotally, I logged in just to look at my usual subreddits (the ones that are open) and they seem dead.
I think that which 250k migrated will eventually end up making quite a significant dent. It isn’t the technophobic lurkers that make up the Lemmy early adopters.
Are they though? I didn’t submit posts on reddit. Looking at the front page of lemmy it’s missing a lot of the topics and subjects reddit posts about.
I’m not trying to be a downer, I think 250k is great and it’s enough to make lemmy 100% replace reddit for me. But I don’t think it dents reddit. I talked to my friends and they barely noticed anything except the blackout. I go on reddit all the same communities are still posting and commenting as normal. But saying that when I looked at reddit I realized how much garbage is posted there compared to lemmy.
That’s the punchline that makes me chuckle when I read how “little impact” the protests and migration have had.
Here’s a little secret: Reddit mods can’t know for sure which accounts are bots. They can suspect, but they’re no easy, reliable proof. Reddit admins, though, know exactly which accounts are bots — they just prefer keeping that info to themselves.
I made the mistake of reading comments on one thread (I moved here full time) on r/Iamatotalpieceofshit about landlords.
It’s turned into a capitalistic hell hole, not only some of the horrible comments you read but also just need to look at the way the votes go, I felt disgusted tbh.
Yep. I feel like all of the high-value like high-quality posters are now here or elsewhere and are done with reddit. I used to post a ton on reddit, even across multiple accounts. Now I just post here. lol
Oh RSS feed is a good idea. The only sub I still check is r/Genshin_Impact_Leaks xd
Edit: Anyone knows a better free web-based RSS reader than Feedly? It kept sending me to its paid service for trying to sub to a Reddit feed, until I subbed to it via SiftRSS D:
I’m moderately excited, looking forward to exploring the new landscape, but aside of Lyney, I don’t particularly want to pull for any of the characters. (Maaaybe Wriothesley, depending on his personality and kit.)
I’ll get Furina since collecting archons is a safe bet. Aside from her I’m still evaluating who I really want (possibly Arlechinno, Navia and Neuvillete).
I’m much more interested in the lore and hoping hoyo finally starts moving the celestia/abyss plot forward big time. It’s about time we see some real big stuff to happen.
Yeah, I’m looking forward to meeting Navia in-story, she seems nice, just not sure if pull-worthy nice. Otoh I really like geo characters, so if her kit is good, maybe :D I’d love another geo catalyst.
Re story: Yeah, tbh that plot arc is pretty much the only aspect of Genshin’s story I find engaging. The rest is too juvenile for my taste 😅
Yeah, the issue is that the whole sub is just screenshots and videos of leakers’ Telegram, Discord and Twitter channels. I don’t have free capacity for trawling through these kind of feeds, checking for reliability, etc. 😅
Same for me, with family and full-time work, but I can probably set up a bot during vacation to check for these sources. If I set it up to just check for stuff every two hours or so I don’t think I’ll hit any kind of rate limit.
hosting freshrss locally and just tested that it can subscribe to reddit no problems (although I don’t want to) - their cloud instances should work : www.freshrss.org/cloud-providers.html
I self host FreshRSS & RSS-Bridge in Docker and view everything in Fluent Reader (Linux), FeedMe (Android), and Read You (Android). I absolutely love it!
I tried out Fluent Reader (Windows) yesterday, but it was a bit buggy and lacked some necessary features, so I’m testing NewsBlur for now. The free version is kinda limited, but I love the training feature, and in general it feels the most user-friendly out of the 4-5 services/apps I tried yesterday.
I went to some threads on Reddit yesterday. Bloody hell there a lot of shit to wade through before getting to anything useful. It might be more engagement, but the amount of low-effort garbage comments turned me around really quick.
Yeah mate you found one good comment. How much shit did you read before you found it? These comments are highlighted because they’re the exception. I’m not interested in wading through tons upon tons of “this” and “came here to say this” and “you win the internet sir” before I find a good comment on quantum physics.
I don’t think you’re a shill. There a plenty of normal people on Reddit, enjoying the content like before. While I despise Spez, I can’t discount that they have created a product that people want to use.
But there are also plenty of people who, like me, saw a decline in the average quality of content over the last x number of years. A move to the lowest common denominator. Comments like your example were more frequent years ago relative to today.
Lemmy feels like Reddit when I joined 11-ish years ago. That’s why I’m here now.
Edit: for what it’s worth, I also didn’t go to the default subs. I spent a long time curating to my tastes and hobbies, to the point where I even blocked /r/All from Apollo so I didn’t have to see the day-to-day shit. But it didn’t help. My hobbies deteriorated into memes and low-effort shit every day.
Reddit is trying to build up to an IPO, so it’s not far-fetched to think that Steve Huffman would have seen the exodus coming, and supplemented traffic with bots so the drop in engagement didn’t seem so precipitous.
I think the thing that is going to suffer most is comment quality. Unfortunately (or for Huffman, fortunately), it’s not really something that can be quantified.
I think we will see a slow decline until the platform is basically walking dead. It’ll function, and maybe there will even be apparent engagement, but the quality will be nothing like it was before this whole debacle.
So I saw this on mastodon … and it’s a little weird, perhaps not unlike the cultures that migrants develop in their new homes.
There’s a tendency, I think, to overestimate how bad the “old” platform has become since “we” left. In reality, it’s not nearly that bad, if any different at all, and those of us not inclined toward this overestimation go and check the old platform from time to time and get confused as to where all of this “hellscape deadness” is.
I think we can all imagine to some extent why this might happen. But I’m writing this just in case it’s healthy to point out that it need not happen, and that the thing that’s actually changed, though you might not know if you’ve arrived here recently, is this place, which is a whole new thing!
A story I think of along these lines is what Steve Jobs did when he went back to Apple in the late 90s. Back then Apple thought they had to beat Microsoft to win. Thing is the company was close to dying with huge debts etc and were never going to do that (still haven’t come close today). But they were so enamoured with their past to the point of having a museum of all of their old products. Jobs had the museum removed, told everyone that for Apple to win it has to stop thinking about Microsoft because they’ll never be destroyed, instead Apple had to win by doing its own thing, and then, super contraversially for the time, had Bill Gates invest a bunch of money into Apple and appear on the big screen during a keynote to rather audible “boos”.
It doesn’t matter what Reddit’s doing or whether they’re doing well. It matters if we’re doing well … as cheesy as that might sound.
I loved Reddit, spent at least an hour a day there and often much more, but I’m loving the Lemmy too. In many ways it’s better, and one of those ways is that it’s so much smaller — a much higher ratio of thought vs tired memes and dumb jokes and slick burns.
Just do what you can on Lemmy for now and wait for the users to make their way over. It will take a couple years but as long as the quality here is better, people will slowly but steadily make the transition. And it won’t be hard to beat out reddit in user experience, we all know how far they have fallen and it’s only getting worse after they IPO.
Not really, I already knew reddit was shit before I left. I just didn’t know of any alternative. I’m also not suggesting that our success is reliant on reddit’s failure.
I’m in full agreement with him, reddit hasn’t changed much at all, but Lemmy has reminded us that there could be something much better again.
I don’t think he was debunking the idea that reddit might eventually fall, but rather that they would fall overnight, as some people here like to imply. Also worth mentioning that Microsoft and Apple are generational tech companies while reddit is a social media platform that’s much more susceptible to rapid decline.
Fair enough, I get that. For me personally, reddit seemed to get worse starting over 7 years ago, so by now I felt the experience was significantly worse than previous eras of reddit, even in smaller subs.
But as much as I loved some BBS forums, I’d have to say Reddit was definitely better than them, so yea early 2010s reddit was probably the most fun I’ve had. Until now.
My experience too. So often reddit would just attract a toxic or at least unattractive culture that would kill conversation and make threads unreadable. It seemed to get worse over time, though I didn’t get serious about measuring that. Doesn’t of course mean that there wasn’t plenty of good stuff there or still isn’t, but it, in recent times, felt diluted.
Not that I’m any sort of gospel to be taken seriously or anything … not really, my point was about focusing on this place doing well rather than focusing on reddit losing or dying, in part because Reddit may not die any time soon. Or it might but not pass all of its users onto the fediverse. But yea … if the quality of people, culture and, slowly but surely, features, not least of which being the whole FOSS, non-profit decentralised freedom thing, people will surely come just as they have with mastodon.
Mastodon is what you make of it. It doesn’t do the work of filling your feed for you. Less convenient, but you get to see what you want to see, not what someone else thinks you might want.
I get where you’re coming from … but I’m inclined to push back on this. I don’t think it’s sad. Reddit has many users on it and lemmy has substantially fewer. Not every interest is going to be covered by the amount of people here. It’s just a reality right now.
However convenient it is to have everything on one platform or one place, I think it’s important to recognise how much of a weapon or shield that is for big-social monopoly companies. A fractured and more open or diverse internet is, IMO, a good thing. It’s also less convenient and staying in contact with people only on reddit makes sense. But that drop in convenience is worth it, IMO, and I don’t think it’s sad.
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