@Gargron I find it quite amusing that there are now so many ML-generated images, that image-generation ML models are now trained partly with ML-generated images.
Digital incest, kinda.
@Gargron I really like the feature where the same prompt can be handed to multiple artists in parallel, and the resulting works can be hung adjacent to each other for everyone to enjoy the juxtaposition of styles and interpretation.
@Gargron You do realize, that from the perspective of a rentier capitalist, that old model had a very big problem, called “artist” that wanted to be paid?
@Gargron I'm fed up with reading these luddite criticisms based on nothing, you are 30 years old, you are no longer a child even if you reason as if you were.
@Gargron I get your point. But: computer was once a term for a person that computes... I'd say there have always been such side effects of technological evolution. That change (replacing/automating human jobs) shouldn't be too abrupt though.
@Sassinake@Gargron Well, if it's a job and it can be automated, it will be. And if it's something you do out of passion (e.g. independent artists etc.), nobody is stopping that. As I said, it's difficult for society if change comes too quickly, but when it comes to paid labour I don't see a fundamental difference between accountants and artists.
@hambier@Gargron
you'll see the difference when all art is made/decided by accountants, and people are too poor/too time-pressed to create art and/or sharing it becomes near-impossible because of the pollution of the space.
notice the difference between old masterpiece and today's trendy pieces?
trends are ephemeral, they have no human - humans as an idea, as a personal experience - energy behind them that interprets reality.
@hambier@Gargron
AI is Frankenstein's monster, reconstituted from parts that belong to others.
AI is cheap plastic reproductions of others' art, a trendy pollution made for the landfill.
AI tries to reduce humans to a chemical machine that should do what it's told, discarding the person it exploits, as if people were disposable NPC's in someone's game.
AI tricks real people with fake BS, it dehumanizes them, feeding them colorful dog kibble instead of food for the soul.
@Gargron
This is a really great, simple take that I think can be turned into a soundbite to hit back at techbros.
Thanks for sharing it with the world.
@Gargron@0x00string But would those paid artists create uncanny valley-like images that look way too human until you look too close and see the horror lurking within hmmm?
@Gargron With Midjourney, you have to try your prompt, over and over, with slight variations, until it randomly gives you something like what you wanted.
With an artist, the number of iterations is usually 1 or 2, and you are a lot more likely to get exactly what you want.
@Gargron every now and then I wonder whether the kind of people who claim they "made" their AI art would claim they "made" their commissioned art, but of course they would.
@Gargron the fact that "AI" is a cheap way to not pay artists is a fair one to make, but let's not forget that the current state of the art "AI" systems can only get better at making that art by ripping off those same artists. This means that once all the real art is gone "AI" is just going to get worse, and having starved out all the artists we're all going to be worse off for it.
@Gargron, I don't think art & music education in the US does enough to impress most people with how difficult it is to make art. There's so much slickly produced advertising art in our culture that people just think it just happens. In any case, they rarely seem to consider the effort and training behind it. As an amateur photographer I know how hard it is to get the "perfect" shot.
@Gargron yes but how does this pearl clutching about AI jive with your decision to, lol, go ahead and connect the fediverse to corporate social media systems that are used to train said AI?
How confusing for some of us, who only came to masto in the first place to get away from all of that, and then here you are complaining about AI? Ironic.
@Gargron AI is a tool that is not too different from the earlier models. More cpu/gpu power. A big data mining available for the big private collectors such as meta, ms, alphabet etc. it’s useful and important but not how is being told and sell … but it’s interesting i/o refined to generate a program :)
@Gargron At work, we're getting pressure to 'use more ai' and 'do something innovative with ai'. Turns out all our clients are asking about it, and we're being regarded as not as good as competitors because we're 'not using ai', so we're just supposed to shoehorn it in somehow.
We're actually using machine learning in several areas, but apparently ai now means chatbots and generative art.
@Gargron except there are an incredible array of actually useful things that can be done with machine learning, and virtually nothing useful that is done on the blockchain (yet).
@Gargron Well their "How can we milk more money out of consumers?" blockchain plan didn't work out, so now they are working on the AI powered "How can we fire more of our staff?" plan.
@Gargron Just like the blockchain it consumes an immense amount of energy and computing resources at a time when climate change is an existential threat.
@Gargron like dr. gilbert ryle, i do not agree that it is like "buzzword bingo" (i.e., "merely an assemblage of particular mistakes" or "buzzwords") but rather "one big mistake"; namely, a category-mistake, which is still a workable critique as more recent expositors of ryle's work have noted.
@Gargron I do programming at a health insurer and members of my team had great ideas about portability and data integrity based on using blockchain in claims processing.
Those seem to have evaporated, there's no institutional interest in it. AI, and the prospect of it replacing us is very exciting for the executive folks. I haven't quite figured out why though, since none of the LLM stuff seems to be getting any more accurate at referring to reality.
@Gargron And rebrand services they already provide as “AI.” Feedly was one and all several on here were like “boycott Feedly, they’ll help snuff out labor strikes!” Not realizing most large companies and organizations have security that monitors situations around the world to try and keep their employees and assets safe. Or that Feedly already did that service long before it called it “AI.”
@Gargron I'm waiting for "ai powered blockchain cryptocurrency" (please happen I really want to see the robot running it randomly decide to donate 100% of the techbros' money to a random guy in Pennsylvania or something)
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