@ShadSterling For forms you mean? I think that's possible indeed, I haven't used Chrome very much aside from testing in years, and I don't give it data if I can avoid it.
@robin yes, I often have to enter some combination of name, email, phone, or address, and with Firefox I have to do much more typing. I also haven’t found comparable plugins to remember previous form entries, e.g. so when a support contact form doesn’t give me a way to see what I submitted the plugin can show me
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Better standards support, Mozilla repeatedly fucked over open source projects I worked on and I'm still bitter about it, Brave is run by a bigot, Microsoft sells my IP through copilot.
@robin@ian Web platform innovation by Google is undeniable, pushed the web further and to more people than any other, by any measure.
Hard agree Mozilla thoroughly destroyed trust in a consistent/reliable pattern of abandoning anything innovative they make. Embedding is explicitly out of mission scope and adoption strategy - for actual decades. Gecko exists for Firefox, period.
But that doesn't mean "use Chrome".
It means we need better ways to make better browsers.
@bramus@ian@dietrich Fix the many, many privacy bugs first, they're far more urgent, far more hostile to users and publishers, and holding the web about seven years behind.
@robin@ian@dietrich My area of interest specifically (and also an area that I can influence more easily than others) is CSS. You say you are hitting CSS limitations. I’d like to know which ones.
@bramus@ian@dietrich And my areas of interest are the web and society. Chrome is actively tricking its users into privacy violations and that could easily be fixed. What you do with your time is entirely up to you, but asking me to go through my code looking for "Chrome workaround" comments to help you with this is like asking I help you spread some pretty glitter on the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.
@darnell@jeff You can use a Chromium-based browser, it won't track your every breath the way that Chrome does. There are issues of browser engine diversity for sure, but at least as a user you're better off with anything not Chrome.
(I used Firefox, heavily, and no problems to report here, even on mobile.)
@robin@jeff Thanks. I know it sounds paranoid, but I feel like if I use a Chromium alternative browser that I am just using a different flavor of Google.
I was shocked when Opera switched to Chromium, & later on it seemed many others (including Microsoft!!!) switched as well.
My concern with Firefox is that they are heavily dependent on Google (financially wise), creating a precarious situation. I ponder if they will actively exist five years from now.
@darnell@jeff It's not paranoid… Chromium is nowhere near like Chrome, but it also isn't aggressively designed to support privacy. The folks at Brave, who build on it, have to make a lot of changes to integrate it and guarantee stronger privacy. But it can be done!
I'm sorry to have to tell you that every browser (except Edge & Brave, and a few tiny upstarts) is bankrolled on Google money. That's how they buy the search market.
@robin if "Chrome" includes "Chromium" then the answer is: speed. Mostly JS engine speed. And it's almost a magnitude difference which is way too much.
@megamatt It's probably insane :) Tauri uses a different engine depending on the platform, so that's one step in that direction. Of course, 1) that doesn't mean that switching engine on a single platform would be easy and 2) there's a lot of work separating a browser-engine-based app framework from, well, an actual browser. Still, it's a headstart! :)
@robin Wasn't Tauri an Electron alternative? I haven't had to deal with that, but will definitely look at that next time I have to make a cross-platform web-app thing.
@robin@megamatt@jensimmons a zillion years ago Firefox (or Netscape?) on windows had an “IE Tab” plugin, which was a little like having an multiengine browser
@robin I’d assumed it was getting iPhone users to switch in advance of a Blink release. I can’t find the videos now, but there’s one about “fake homepages” and a couple on built-in translate being useful when you’re on holiday.
@robin
What else is there? I tried Firefox and it's so slow and has other issues that I couldn't use it. (A week after using Firefox my bank account got hacked three times)
@robin the ones I've looked at on Google play look shady asf so I stay away from them. Chrome has the best compatibility with the web in my experience. I wish I could find a suitable replacement but I didn't see any I trust.
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