mcc,
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As you may remember from me talking about it once a week, the three things I most want out of a cell phone are

  1. RECTANGULAR screen with NO HOLES OR ROUNDED EDGES ON THE DISPLAY CANVAS

  2. Big bezel/bevel/whatever it's called so I can hold it without activating the touch screen

  3. Headphone jack

I search and search and even for high prices I usually cannot get these things

But the $35 carrier branded temp replacement phone I bought at the Wal-Mart by the airport?

All three

DukeDuke,
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    ghosttie,
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    @DukeDuke @mcc remove its battery from orbit

    it's the only way to be sure

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    Meanwhile in dystopia news:

    1. In Android 13 they made it even harder to disable Google Assistant. I activated it by accident like 3 times trying to disable. The first thing I did was uninstall Google Assistant, but this turns out not to disable Google Assistant instead it shuts you out from disabling Google Assistant. That is, to disable Google Assistant you must first install Google Assistant. Then you have to be careful not to tap it— that activates it— you MUST long-press and tap "Settings"
    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar
    1. In the process of setting up my new phone, I at one point had to answer a nightmare CAPTCHA where the question was "Please select all objects crafted by humans", and then all the options were either fish or clocks, and that was was a fine question, except one of the clocks I was clearly required to select was clearly an image generated by "AI", meaning no it was not crafted by humans,
    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    I don't like lying. I really, really do not like it when a software program requires me to lie

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    It feels like a loyalty ritual

    emaytch,
    @emaytch@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc "select all five lights"

    irenes,
    @irenes@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc no, yeah. we refuse to play along with that shit. usually it makes us do like ten more CAPTCHAs as punishment, which isn't really any better. maybe next time we'll abandon our effort to do the thing, instead.

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    In other news, it turns out on stock Android now, disabling animations adds an additional, extremely disruptive animation. Everytime you home button it flashes the icon of the app you're leaving huge, blurry and screen size for exactly 1 frame. It's glitchy and photosensitivity-unfriendly

    I thought this was an Android 13 thing, but no, appears it's stock Android and Sony had somehow disabled it on my main phone. People have been flagging this issue for two years.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/pixel_phones/comments/tkci6q/new_minimize_animation/?rdt=59271

    phi1997,

    @mcc
    Smartphones are cursed

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    I like limiting animations, but the reason I HAVE to disable animations is the grotesque, nauseating full screen overscroll animation in Android where everything stretches oddy. So now it's like they give me a Pavlovian punishment for doing that. Periodic bright flashes in my eyes. I'd consider this frustrating but acceptable if this happened because I used the "Developer" reduce animation options, which naturally aren't QAed, but it happens with the builtin accessibility "reduce animation" too!

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    Anyway sorry I spend so much of my time on this account complaining about computers, but is just the thing is, there are so many horrible things about them,

    c0dec0dec0de,
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    @mcc I like talking about mean computing devices behind their backs!

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    It may be that after all the many gross indignities I have solemnly endured at the hands of Google, Android 13 is the thing that finally drives me to build my own rom.

    The full screen flicker is enough by itself, and on top of that, the thing where it displays a mandatory popup you must swipe to clear every time you copy anything is really bad. I thought it was gonna be bad and it really was

    pettter,
    @pettter@mastodon.acc.umu.se avatar

    @mcc excuse me the what dialog??

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    @pettter it's not really a dialog but every time you copy something in Android 13 this bubble appears in the bottom left corner and you MUST swipe to make it go away or it covers whatever you were doing

    whitequark,
    @whitequark@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc hmu if you want a secureboot-enabled lineageos vendor/extra tree

    tthbaltazar,
    @tthbaltazar@chaos.social avatar

    @whitequark @mcc
    what does that mean? would that need you to enroll custom signing keys?

    whitequark,
    @whitequark@mastodon.social avatar
    jbo,
    @jbo@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc I'm really worried that Android is getting worse and worse

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    @jbo ever since the update where they made the notifications display taller than the status bar I have liked each version less than the one before it

    c0dec0dec0de,
    @c0dec0dec0de@hachyderm.io avatar

    @mcc A COMPUTER CANNOT BE CHARGED WITH PERJURY

    THEREFORE A COMPUTER MUST NEVER FORCE A PERSON TO PERJURE THEMSELVES

    nazokiyoubinbou,
    @nazokiyoubinbou@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc For me this one starts at the accept screen at the start of most software. No I do not accept. Nor do I accept that supposedly there is no alternative. I hereby do not waive all rights. If you write your program to force overclock my CPU against my will and run constant AVX2 instructions, I do not waive the right to sue when it catches on fire. And forcing me to click "accept" on a screen claiming that I do doesn't change that I do not.

    aeva,
    @aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place avatar

    @mcc I got one of those the other day and it was several pictures of fish and a snowman and I couldn't tell if they were paintings of fish or not because of the interference pattern they overlayed, but the snowman looked plausibly AI generated. I sat their bewildered for a moment until a friend informed me that I probably just needed to click on the snowman.

    gadgetoid,
    @gadgetoid@fosstodon.org avatar

    @mcc I don’t know why but “fish or clocks” sent me 🤣

    But wait what a CAPTCHA to set up a phone? Click farm fallout?

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    @gadgetoid @mkj Not the phone itself. Installing and logging into my apps

    Kierkegaanks,
    @Kierkegaanks@beige.party avatar

    @mcc can you ask it to disable itself or show you how?

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    @Kierkegaanks in my experience this will at best give you a Google search (and the top Google search is currently inaccurate)

    UkeBLCatboy,
    @UkeBLCatboy@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc ITs funny though, there seems to be too types of people; you either love google and all the comfy convenient services, or you hate them xD

    I am the former ; all my anime convention photos are in google maps and I literally take time at the end of a day I went somewhere to make the google maps timeline perfect just so I can look back later LMAO

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    @UkeBLCatboy all I want them to do is less!

    UkeBLCatboy,
    @UkeBLCatboy@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc Well, tbf, it takes one easy click (location on/off) to disable that feature. I never use the stupid assistant and I agree it's not very good design to make it so hard to turn off...

    doctormo,
    @doctormo@floss.social avatar

    @mcc

    My Samsung galaxy S5 has all of those. It's a 10yo phone, but solid and upgraded with lineageOS so is actually quite modern.

    But yes android is getting worse over time.

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    @doctormo at&t now only allows phones newer than a certain age on their network. I had to drop my beloved Xperia X Compact. :(

    seiyria,
    @seiyria@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc for the second point, I have an app that adds dead zones to both sides so I don't have to deal with it.

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    @seiyria my understanding is around Android 11 Google removed the OS feature that made this possible. Am I mistaken?

    seiyria,
    @seiyria@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc I'm using an app called edge touch that seems to work. Android 13. Might be worth a look.

    Elextra,
    @Elextra@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc I got lost in this convo honestly. Minus the headphone jack, I would just get a Google Pixel (I typically find them $325ish new) and install something like GrapheneOS.

    Get rid of all the bloat. Its super fast, snappy as any other modern phone. Top of the line camera. Check out MKBHD videos. Pixel always wins in blind tests.

    If you want a removable battery and headphone jack , last one is LG V20 I think. I had one before Pixel but too slow and laggy for me now.

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    @Elextra I don't want a phone with curved edges or holes on the screen. As far as I've seen this excludes all Pixels. This is more important to me than almost anything else.

    If I install Graphene can I still install Google Play apps?

    Elextra,
    @Elextra@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc Oh I didn't understand the holes part. You can install something like CalyxOS and still have microG services so yes, you can still have google apps.

    The aurora store is just like the Google play store and you can download whatever apps you want

    TeflonTrout,
    @TeflonTrout@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc Geeze, I also want a flip-out keyboard. Physical phone design in my mind peaked with the Android G1 / HTC Dream

    https://images.app.goo.gl/PWzcoaweTBUeg93N8

    FeralRobots,
    @FeralRobots@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc
    [3] & [2] are regarded as hallmarks of cheapness; [1] is a direct side effect of trying to minimize bezel.
    (Had no headphone jack on my last & swore never again. [2] wasn't something I'd thought much about but since you mention, holding the phone has been interfering a lot with using it, of late.)

    Snoeksen,
    @Snoeksen@bonn.social avatar

    @mcc Though the bezel is not that big, Sony Xperia phones are pretty close. Don't know if they are sold everywhere though...

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    @Snoeksen in fact my main phone is an Xperia. But to my extreme frustration, the screen is not rectangular. It's merely almost rectangular. I paid a lot (and went to a lot of trouble— I had to get it special shipped from the USA) believing I was getting a rectangular screen for the money but instead I got a phone which merely had curved edges too slight to be visible in online product photos. Better than big curves. But not worth what I paid for it.

    Snoeksen,
    @Snoeksen@bonn.social avatar

    @mcc Huh, you are right, I never realized that!

    For me the main reasons to go with Xperias was the headphone jack and that I can still use the SD memory card I used since my first Xperia...

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    @Snoeksen there's some real advantages. I wish Sony would sell the Ace (new generation of the X Compact) in North America.

    phi1997,

    @mcc
    I want these and physical navigation buttons. No on-screen buttons that either are easy to hit on accident or add an extra step, and no gestures that can overlap with other inputs. Why must high-end phones be so frustrating to use?

    TauPan,
    @TauPan@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc hm, I usually use gsmarena to find the next phone that fits my requirements. Does that not work for you? (At least I share 1 and 3 and don't care about 2 since I always put my phone into a folding case.)

    mausmalone,
    @mausmalone@mastodon.social avatar

    @mcc for reference, in electronics it's "bezel," a term taken from jewelry making for the metal piece that holds the glass front of a watch. "Bevel" refers specifically to a slanted surface and they get confused a lot because a bezel will grip a gem by its beveled edge.

    azonenberg,
    @azonenberg@ioc.exchange avatar

    @mcc Add in "easily user-replaceable battery and software updates for several years, ideally 5+, after release" and I'm sold.

    alexhammy,
    @alexhammy@hachyderm.io avatar

    @mcc moto g series has everything but the hole punch

    alexhammy,
    @alexhammy@hachyderm.io avatar

    @mcc *lack of hole punch

    mcc,
    @mcc@mastodon.social avatar

    @alexhammy no holes in screen is very important to me. I break my phones frequently. I dont want a screen that has holes in it ALREADY. It's like pre ripped jeans

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