vowe,

Instagram Threads vs Mastodon. Looks like an easy choice.

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BosunArras,

@vowe There is also the fact that is run by Meta, and certain preconditions have not been met for me to have anything more to do with any of Zuckerberg’s empire.
ie Hell has not frozen over.

WhatsApp is, unfortunately a necessary evil at the moment due to the number of people using it, but that will get ditched as soon as a viable alternative presents itself.

Jostma,

@vowe ¡Brutal!

clawfire,
@clawfire@m.thibau.lt avatar

@vowe @Elosezno I understand better why it’s not launched in Europe and can’t comply with gdpr.

foldr,
@foldr@mastodon.social avatar

@vowe least data hungry for-profit web service

ednl,
@ednl@mastodon.social avatar

@vowe For you, yes. But "everybody" already has Instagram, so adding this won't matter.

ElBeeToots,
@ElBeeToots@mastodon.social avatar

@vowe But it's not quite true, as Mastodon does (need to) collect some user data, like your e-mail address, telephone number and some other things. That's necessary for the app to work. Those aren't shared with third parties, though, afaik.

danimrich,
@danimrich@mastodon.social avatar

@vowe Habe mir dazu Metas Datenschutzerklärung angeschaut. Davon gibt es eine druckerfreundliche Version. Sie hat 142 Seiten. 😬

wogan,

@vowe The Mastodon iOS app does not collect any data, other than all the data you send to the instance you register on, where the admin (who does not report to any sort of regulating body) not only has full access to every byte you send them, but can also make a bunch of arbitrary decisions that affect your safety and privacy without your consent.

Gerwin030,
@Gerwin030@mastonederland.nl avatar

@vowe Threads won't launch in the EU any time soon anyway due to GDPR.

jztusk,
@jztusk@mastodon.social avatar

@vowe

Trigger warning: This uses the default Mastodon app. I wasted a few weeks struggling with it, before someone told me it's one of the worst ones, and it's more of a demo.

Maybe redo this with Tusky?

Just_Jen,
@Just_Jen@mstdn.ca avatar

@vowe all that's missing for a Thread is access to childhood pet's name, mother's maiden name, and favorite teacher. 🤦‍♀️
Thanks, I'll stick with 🦣

HeroRareheart,

@vowe Oh, THAT'S what is about.

lscottspencer,

@HeroRareheart @vowe 99% of those permissions are optional. Look at the Play Store listing. Apple is so simple. Y'all need to stop spreading this nonsense.

HeroRareheart,

@lscottspencer @vowe The problem isn't that these are optional, it's that these are requested at any point at all regardless of if we can say no or not. An app serving it's functions should NEVER need access to most of that.

lscottspencer,

@HeroRareheart @vowe Think about it. It's the same permissions as Instagram lists. I would say that it's called a large corporation covering its ass legally. If mastodon had more than one and a half million active monthly users, they would be more concerned about such things too.

lscottspencer,

@HeroRareheart @vowe And Apple completely mislabels these things. These are not required permissions. These are possible permissions. And again, 99% of them are optional and not required to use the app.

justinionn,

@lscottspencer @HeroRareheart @vowe

This blog post sums-up how I also feel about privacy-related issues regarding Threads, Mastodon, and the Fediverse...

https://blog.bloonface.com/2023/07/04/the-fediverse-is-a-privacy-nightmare/

lscottspencer,

@justinionn You nailed it. People are using a completely insecure protocol and everything is public already. Yet, they are losing their minds over Meta. I've never seen a group of people so misinformed in my life. There's been misinformation on here the last two days to put Twitter to shame. @HeroRareheart @vowe

Jdreben,

@justinionn I'll read this more closely but I'm SUPER confused by your actual advice to not use the Fediverse because of this. Isn't everything you're saying true of the internet at large? The internet itself is federated via protocols like ActivityPub. What of what you're saying is dangerous about the fediverse is not true of walled gardens? That they are more beholden to legal pressure?

justinionn,

@lscottspencer @HeroRareheart @vowe Also, a story from the Irish Independent newspaper has been widely shared; cited as evidence that The EU has found Meta's data collection practices so nefarious, this has prohibited the launch of Threads in Ireland (and the rest of The EU)...

The Irish DPC later clarified that this isn't strictly true.

This clarification isn't being as widely shared.

https://www.businesspost.ie/tech/data-protection-commission-we-are-not-blocking-instagrams-threads/

DemocracySpot,
@DemocracySpot@mstdn.social avatar

@justinionn

Well done. Thank you.

mastodonmigration,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@justinionn @lscottspencer @HeroRareheart @vowe

There is a difference between something being posted and made widely available and therefore insecure, and giving away the content rights to a big corporation.

No one is saying they can not suck up Fedi content, but they may not. It's like photocopying a book. If you give a license to exploit your content then they do have the right to use your data.

lscottspencer,

@mastodonmigration I'd argue when you post anything publicly, you've put it out there for the taking. I'm retired Army Intelligence. There is no privacy anymore. @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe

mastodonmigration,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@lscottspencer @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe

You own the copyright to content you create. Unless you license that content to someone else they can not sell it. If you posted it under certain terms, like to display it on Mastodon, then you grant an implicit license limited for that purpose. They still can not sell it.

lscottspencer,

@mastodonmigration I never said anybody could sell it. I'm saying they can view it. And what they do with it after that, you really have no way of knowing do you? @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe

mastodonmigration,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@lscottspencer @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe

The fact that you do not know someone is violating the law does not mean they are acting lawfully.

If someone does violate the law, and it becomes known, then they can be held to account.

lscottspencer,
mastodonmigration,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@lscottspencer @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe

The distinction is between privacy, agree there is none, and data rights, which you do retain.

lscottspencer,

@mastodonmigration You're missing my entire point. I'm not saying that legally a person can reuse anything you have posted and certainly not sell it. But, the truth of the matter is, that once you put it out there, you have no idea what anyone is doing with it. @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe

lscottspencer,

@mastodonmigration Just for arguments sake, let's say that I take one of your posts that you have made on here and I screenshot it and repost it on my own timeline. Your username will be there so you will have credit for the information contained in it. What are you going to do about it? Ask me to take it down? You could. And I could refuse. Are you going to take me to court over it? @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe

mastodonmigration,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@lscottspencer @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe

You can always raise diminimous hypotheticals. In this case nothing would be done. You may not even be in violation of anything, since it was posted with some expectation it would be distributed on Mastodon.

If, on the other hand, you liked cat pictures, and collected cat pictures from posts and put them in a book and made millions without giving any credit, you could be sued.

lscottspencer,

@mastodonmigration You just made absolutely zero point at all. That is exactly what I just said. @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe

mastodonmigration,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@lscottspencer @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe Good. Seems there is no disagreement then.

lscottspencer,

@mastodonmigration We're in agreement that I am an honest and fair player. But there are many people and many companies on the internet who can get to your posts just as easily, who are not. @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe

mastodonmigration,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@lscottspencer @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe For sure. Again, the distinction is whether they are acting lawfully, not whether they can get away with it.

lscottspencer,

@mastodonmigration Morally, yes. Real world, no. @justinionn @HeroRareheart @vowe

mastodonmigration,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar
justinionn,

@mastodonmigration @lscottspencer @HeroRareheart @vowe Yes, you would expect to be sued in The UK, if you collected cat pictures from social media posts and put them in a book and made millions without giving any credit.

https://www.farrer.co.uk/news-and-insights/its-my-picture-miley-cyrus-sued-for-posting-paparazzi-photo-of-herself-on-instagram/

Again. I don't use social media platforms to publish content that I would not want to be exploited by third parties.

Someone wants to make a coffee table book of my Instagram snaps, to make millions?... Highly unlikely.

justinionn,

@mastodonmigration @lscottspencer @HeroRareheart @vowe I I'd rather that a big corporation uses my content to present adverts for socks to me while I'm browsing the web, than have some bedroom hobbyist Mastodon admin going rogue and doxxing me for abuse.

Either scenario is possible. I'll take my chances for the sake of convenience.

I personally wouldn't use any social media platform to publish material I wouldn't be happy to be exploited by others.

mastodonmigration,
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online avatar

@justinionn @lscottspencer @HeroRareheart @vowe

If that were the case, you could not promote your photography on social media, since you would expect it would be copied freely.

ashiisbest,

@justinionn @lscottspencer @HeroRareheart @vowe of course its insecure but atleast mastodon isn't accessing my health information.

justinionn,

@ashiisbest @lscottspencer @HeroRareheart @vowe @Jdreben It's not my blog. It's by @Bloonface by the way.

I'm personally ambivalent about many organisations collecting my data, in return for my using their platforms without monetary cost.

This is true of the Internet at large.

For instance; if Google wants to show me adverts for holidays on YouTube (quite clearly) after I've been searching prices of luggage... I really couldn't care any less!!!

ashiisbest,

@justinionn @lscottspencer @HeroRareheart @vowe @Jdreben @Bloonface Its a matter of preference. I don't expect encryption or anything here in a public forum. People who said there should be on mastodon are delusional. Otherwise, 1 to 1 chats or small groups should have some form of encryption.

gogakuhei,

@vowe
Users should be able to turn every single one of those on or off as they see fit, at any time.

TheTomas,
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JerryGonzalez,

@vowe Whoops! We had the same post idea..I was a day late. 🤷‍♂️

martin_piper,
@martin_piper@mastodon.social avatar

@vowe except technically Mastodon is getting its disclosure wrong.
If someone makes a post containing their exercise schedule that is health and fitness data, then technically Mastodon processes that data.

diazona,
@diazona@techhub.social avatar

@vowe Would you consider adding alt text to these photos?

RHW,
@RHW@mastodon.au avatar

@vowe @Digital_Archivist
FYI - no way going to join in Threads.

DaveBeBrave,

@vowe My jaw dropped when I saw their privacy card

beforewisdom,
@beforewisdom@veganism.social avatar

@vowe

I don't find Instagram users all that interesting.

Most of them are there to post selfies, not have conversations.

JustMe,

@vowe
there are two screenshots from an Apple iPhone comparing the Instagram (meta? Facebook?) Threads to regular mastodon app and data collection. The mastodon app screenshot says "no data collected" while the threads one exact text:

App Privacy
See Details
The developer, Instagram, Inc., indicated that the app's privacy practices may include handling of data as described below. For more information, see the developer's privacy policy.

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pls,
@pls@mrnet.pt avatar

@vowe I know it’s hard to grasp, but most people don’t care (at all)… they will always give their data to meta/google without a care in the world…

PDXDemSocialist,

@vowe Uses the . Servers need to block them if you don't want to interact with them.

gamermanh,

@vowe What, you don't want your Twitter clone to know all of your contacts and purchases? Concerned about it getting "other data" like that isn't a perfectly descriptive point?

Pffffth, nerd

evgenylepekhin,

@vowe I would add another point to this list. Instagram's UI doesn't make me feel like writing long posts and share value. It's all about fun and visual junk rather than something meaningful.

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