mattburgess,

NEW: WhatsApp will soon make it possible to chat with people who use other messaging apps. It's revealed some more details on how that will work.

— Apps will need to sign an agreement with Meta, then connect to its servers.
— Meta wants people to use the Signal Protocol, but also says other encryption protocols can be used if they can meet WhatsApp's standards
— WhatsApp has been testing with Matrix in recent months, although nothing is agreed yet. Swiss app Threema says it won't become interoperable

https://www.wired.com/story/whatsapp-interoperability-messaging/

Npars01,
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petrescatraian,

@mattburgess It isn't like Meta doesn't have any experience with interoperability. They just need to stop shutting themselves out once they gain enough market share.

rysiek,
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@mattburgess thank you for making clear this crucial bit:

> It isn’t a shift entirely of WhatsApp’s own making. In September, European, lawmakers designated WhatsApp parent Meta as one of six influential “gatekeeer” companies under its sweeping Digital Markets Act, giving it six months to open its walled garden to others. With just a few weeks to go before that time is up, WhatsApp is detailing how its interoperability with other apps may work.

merospit,

@mattburgess Signal want to control all clients accessing their servers. They don't want to be an open protocol network, so this won't actually allow federation between Meta and Signal users.

ParadeGrotesque,
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@mattburgess

Which means that, now, Meta / Facebook will be able to analyze your social tree even better.

As a reminder, metadata - in other words who is talking to who - is sometimes just as important (if not more) than knowing what they said to each other.

tcely, (edited )
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Thank you Threema, for immediately taking a clear and responsible position on this strategy!

@threemaapp

@mattburgess

xtb,
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tcely,
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Is there a transcript and translation of that interview available?

@xtb
@threemaapp

claudius,
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@mattburgess "embrace expand extinguish" applies here, too. Do not fall for it.

aronkvh,
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@claudius @mattburgess Would you prefer if they stayed closed down?

claudius,
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@aronkvh @mattburgess The conversation will work like this:

"Hey, I sent you that WhatsApp"
"yeah what was that about?"
"I used a new function in WhatsApp"
"but I'm not using WhatsApp, I'm using <insert different app here>"
"oh, that's inconvenient. Can you maybe just switch to WhatsApp instead?"

Interoperability barely works when all parties have common goals and good intentions. I do not assume meta to have good intentions.

Polychrome,

@mattburgess wait, how are they going to get into an agreement with Matrix (service) when Matrix (organization) isn't in control of Matrix instances? :thonking:​

element,
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@Polychrome @mattburgess it’s us testing interop with WA, using Matrix - not the Matrix.org Foundation (as the article says :)

alper,
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@mattburgess People still hating on the EU? They should force iMessage into this as well.

markusr,
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@alper @mattburgess iMessage is automatically "compatible" with every other smartphone because of autofallback to SMS/MMS. So I can't imagine that the EU would want to force anything here. Or am I missing something? 🤔

alper,
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@markusr @mattburgess The app falls back to regular text but the protocol doesn’t. Seems like a big difference to me.

cdamian,
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@mattburgess
Remember when Facebook messenger was XMPP.
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