Hamishcampbell

@Hamishcampbell@campaign.openworlds.info

An organic intellectual, that's me :') Please ask questions here

Looking at the fluffy side of activism #NGO

#fedi22 #openweb #opensource #4opens #OMN #technology #tech #social #grassroots #activitypub #reboot #fluff

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theblockchainsocialist, to random

Why do the mastodon / twitter crossposter keep not working??

Hamishcampbell,

@adamgreenfield @theblockchainsocialist

Because one is run by a troll and the other pixies and they are no longer sharing tea ()

TheSteve0, to random
@TheSteve0@data-folks.masto.host avatar

@evan I know you said the activitypub spec was frozen but it seems like there are some flaws that might need to be addressed. Can you point me to some writings on how the spec or the tech can be improved to do a better job at preventing this
https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/110272951321280411

This shouldn't be a burden put on the individual. I know there are bad people everywhere, but we can surely do better

Hamishcampbell,

@jaz @evan @TheSteve0 @mekkaokereke

The was built on "trust" and will likely fail fast if we move to building it on "fear"

Good to think about this

Hamishcampbell, (edited )

@jaz @evan @TheSteve0 @mekkaokereke

At the we run two contriversal small instances and have little problem with SPAM and hate, we very rearlly block - but we do nurture community, we build "trust".

Federating "blocking" is a bad way of building "trust" and is a dangerous way to spread control/fear and lack of community.

On balance, with out "democratic governance," it's likely a bad idea

Hamishcampbell,

@TheSteve0 @jaz @evan @mekkaokereke

This is an old divide, if we can only talk about this issue from with in this divide, then we can't talk at all. I call this and good to note you are not wrong in what you're expressing ;)

Have another look, happy to talk if you can find a path too.

Hamishcampbell, to internet

Looking at today it's all "signal to noise" mess, there is some signal, but this is washed over by waves of noise.

We are increasingly seeing the same mess come to our reboot spaces. What's the plan to push signal and reduce noise?

stefan, to fediverse
@stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

So, what really is the fediverse? Is Diaspora part of it?

Looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking

Hamishcampbell, (edited )

@stefan it's not, but people keep pushing it in... is from the agenda where the is

Mess and composting comes to mind.

Hamishcampbell, to random

Some people may only value things that come from sources, which can be limiting and narrow-minded.

gabek, to random

Anything federates if you build a bridge. Anything. So the whole "Bluesky is pretty much the Fediverse now because we can just build a bridge" is nonsense.

People build bridges to Twitter all the time with crossposting bots. I could scrape Facebook and post it over here. I could wire up an Arduino to my toilet and have it post every time I flush. Is my toilet natively a part of the Fediverse?

No. My toilet is not natively a part of the Fediverse. And neither is Bluesky.

Hamishcampbell,

@gabek

this is a not a solution it's the path, it is working already.

The principle (keep it simple, stupid) suggests that the simplest solution is often the best, and in this case, bridging these different decentralized platforms may be the best approach. However, it's possible that some of these platforms may not want to cooperate, in which case there may be some conflict.

hamishcampbell, to internet
@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social avatar

The "culture" and assumptions behind these projects differ. comes from Twitter, which has a history of surveillance capitalism, while comes from the and communities. , on the other hand, is rooted in the traditions and the .

Hamishcampbell,

@sl007 @hamishcampbell

The bridge they are using comes from the crew.. Kinda funny that the right-wing are better at doing the right thing than the left... but as you say, they are not likely not using the tool in a respectful way.

Hamishcampbell, (edited )

@msaunders @sl007 @hamishcampbell

Yep, we are building in a social mess, tech is a tool, how it's used is social, thus more mess.

Hamishcampbell, to fediverse

OK, had to close then open new accounts on because of , the spam is starting agen - the is an update that allows you to put new accounts on ask/moderation, we need to upgrade at some point to get this.

Hamishcampbell,

Interesting this is exactly the way our ten-year-old project handles flows as is the "new" moderation in ... if we don't manage to go to the world, the world come to us... well more like the world walks right past us looking the other way and takes the big bundle of bills from capitalism.

This is normal, we are still doing needed work, but better would be good to :)

Hamishcampbell, to random

My use of is confusing a lot of people, good to have some signal in the noise on this subject https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertext am using them in the way the was designed to use them.

Hamishcampbell, (edited )

@dsfgs @sj_zero

My polemical take on this is 99.9% of the and western I have meet and worked with have been at best a waste of space and at worst nasty and destructive... on a less polemical view, yes dogmatic "no such thing as reality" is likely the problem.

Hamishcampbell,

@dsfgs @sj_zero

am more messy - imagine if people trusted each other.

sl007, to random German
@sl007@digitalcourage.social avatar

@Hamishcampbell
Please (!)
If you neither know what Bluesky is from a technical perspective (with closed schema and did ecosystem and nearly no possibility of bridging, are you on the twitter-waiting-list?) then
you also might not know what it is from a license perspective, see https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/110273442030673147

Hamishcampbell,

@sl007 that account has a unfortunate name "Mastodon Migration" i will share less of their content.

Hamishcampbell,

They all share tech, so this is a win.

Where they differ is in the "culture" they come from and push.

comes from surveillance capitalism, it's from the and has meany of the same assumptions, just "better".

comes from the and bro crew and suffers from being from this mess.

is native and comes from the traditions the whole software world is actually built on.

Hamishcampbell,

@sl007

They fail the test of or ?

Hamishcampbell, (edited ) to internet

They all share tech, so this is a win.

Where they differ is in the "culture" they come from and push.

comes from surveillance capitalism, it's from the and has meany of the same assumptions, just "better".

comes from the and bro crew and suffers from being from this mess.

is native and comes from the traditions the whole software world is actually built on.

Hamishcampbell,

@atomicpoet @aral @fediversenews @erlend @onepict @anildash

The path is to simply bridge them all and let them cooperate, as they are all a part of the family.

The more complex and messy path is that some of them might not want to do this... OK now we get to the part where piss is likely signal rather than noise. Let's draw a line, (a date is good) if they don't bridge, we let loose the pee, liquid trickling in will short out their servers.

Hamishcampbell,

@u0421793 you can go into your admin and change your template to make hashtags easer to see - they are a core part of the , so this is important for you to feel at home :)

Hamishcampbell,

@u0421793 yes they should, it's https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertext the is based on. It's fine to put them at the end if you want to, but best not to get bossy about this, as this is mess.

"Signal to noise"

Hamishcampbell,

@u0421793 i did a post about the hashtags, they tell a story http://hamishcampbell.com/2023/04/18/the-hashtags-embody-a-story-and-world-view/

Hamishcampbell,

@u0421793

Good points.

Interestingly, most of the things you talk about are defined by "templates" rather than hardcoded, so the best aproch is talking to template creators or trying to find better templates if they exist then promoting them.

You will likely need to push a bit at culture and history as well.

Hamishcampbell,

@atomicpoet @aral @fediversenews @erlend @onepict @anildash

Are we going to try to bring focus to the current mess on this?

Hamishcampbell,

@atomicpoet @aral @fediversenews @erlend @onepict @anildash

The principle (keep it simple, stupid) suggests that the simplest solution is often the best, and in this case, bridging these different decentralized platforms may be the best approach. However, it's possible that some of these platforms may not want to cooperate, in which case there may be some conflict.

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