witchescauldron, to fediverse
@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social avatar

The "shouting into the void" of the has become much worse with the influx of the people back to the

Q. what actually makes this space live?

witchescauldron,
@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social avatar

@BeAware we had to shut down the two instances we had been running for 5 years because of this "shouting into the void" issue. its getting much worse, yes I understand It's still better than the , but it's a very real issue if you have been her since the beginning

Hamishcampbell, to diy

You guys need to talk to each other @michaelgraaf @rooftopaxx @nedhamson as this space is culture

rooftopaxx,

@Hamishcampbell @michaelgraaf @nedhamson
OK, without wanting to get into the long long history of visionon.tv and the , and focussing on the 'campaign' instance, been looking at the Live feed https://campaign.openworlds.info/public/local

There's very few of us active 'users', who knows how many others are lurking?

In terms of those donating towards the funding of the OMN (which in turn funds and administrates/moderates the 'campaign' instance) there are 10 Financial contributors
https://opencollective.com/open-media-network

Next?

Hamishcampbell,

@rooftopaxx @michaelgraaf @nedhamson @EarthWolf

Yep this is a shame as the fluffy spiky debate is key to real rather social change and challenge, it's basic stuff.

If we can all build a community to sustain the instances then we can reboot activism as a different codebase than mastodon, the are a lot so the ida is still good, can we build a community of use rather than individuals "shouting into the void" as we unkindly like to say at the

Hamishcampbell, to UX

the has been a lot of clear communication on the sustainability. I think the tools for this are bad, this is a dev issue.

You can outreach this link to build suitability https://opencollective.com/open-media-network

Hamishcampbell, to random

A reminder this instance will have to shut down due to lack of funding soon #modteam

We need your feedback on this.

Hamishcampbell,

@nedhamson you can donate here https://opencollective.com/open-media-network to help cover some of keeping this instance online for the last year.

If we close down will post how to migrate help pages

Hamishcampbell,

@rooftopaxx we have been running these instances for admin and mod for the projects rather than the power for social change, as you say the instance community failed a year or more ago.

We now face a funding crunch due to none of the funding applications going through for the tech projects... so it's supporting community or closer

rooftopaxx,

@Hamishcampbell OK, leaving the thing aside and limiting this to any Mastodon instance, wondering more whether this discussion reaches 'users' such as eg @LMN - looking around in the Profiles directory https://campaign.openworlds.info/directory most here are either inactive or possibly lurking. One day they'll wake up and find their instance dead or perhaps they'll never even notice ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Hamishcampbell,

@nedhamson @michaelgraaf @rooftopaxx the information is scattered all over the place, and has been repeated for 20 years :)

The openclective is the funding side of the and
campaign openworlds info? is an instances that is a part of this wider activist project

witchescauldron, to fediverse
@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social avatar

The problem we face on the is the "shouting into the void" that the brings with it. This is affecting all new social networks, the signal to noise is degrading everyone's experience. I think in part this is a failure of copying that we need to move past soon

witchescauldron, to random
@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social avatar

We can't keep doing this tech crap. Composting is the path for parasites and the

Think positive projects outside mess making, need crew, focus and dev :)

is a good hashtag for this.

smallcircles, to fediverse
@smallcircles@social.coop avatar

🤩 Aren't you just delighted by all those proprietary software apps for the ?

😮 Don't be. Each time you choose proprietary you help turn the fedi slowly in the direction of the usual corporate hellscape that the rest of the Web already is.

😨 And then we end up in an online space where for years we can complain to each other how we squandered an opportunity and how won once more.

🎯 Use apps instead, created by the public for the public.

🌻 Keep the Fediverse open.

hamishcampbell,
@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social avatar

@smallcircles a mess indeed, and mess making all round.

As you just said, we can't keep doing this crap.

Composting is the path for parasites and the the core of this mess.

Think positive projects outside this mess making, need crew, focus and dev :)

And is a good hashtag for this http://hamishcampbell.com/2023/10/09/dontbeaprat-whats-next/

Hamishcampbell, to random

@krohne The is a real need for crew to build activist projects at the if you're interested.

Click the hashtags to find out more.

witchescauldron, to random
@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social avatar

Introducing OMN: A Trust-Based Project for Federated Networks

In the ever-expanding digital landscape, where information overload and spam are commonplace, there's a crucial need for a trust-based project that emphasizes human moderation and community cooperation. Welcome to OMN – a unique initiative that aims to leverage the power of human moderation to foster federated networks and genuine online communities.

The concept is simple: every piece of content, known as a "flow," goes through a trust-building process. When users create content, it's either trusted – indicating a consistent track record of quality contributions – or moderated when the content varies in quality. This dynamic approach ensures that the system scales effectively by encouraging users to build trust links with one another.

Without this human touch, a network's workload quickly becomes unmanageable, or it's overwhelmed by irrelevant or spammy content, rendering the sites useless. This core feature of OMN is designed to encourage the growth of human-scale federated trust communities.

To maintain a useful site, two key outcomes are possible: the creation of large, diverse communities with a broad spectrum of admins and moderators, or the establishment of smaller, tightly-knit trust groups focused on quality connections. Both outcomes are valuable and central to the essence of .

While automation might seem tempting, it risks creating countless middling-quality sites, leading to a signal-to-noise problem. In the end, this could undermine the entire network. OMN's philosophy is rooted in the idea that "less is more" – a deliberate move away from the of endlessly improving tools.

OMN addresses the challenge of managing spam and low-quality content by allowing them to flow into the network and then guiding them away from the quality areas of the network.

One unique feature of OMN is its organic growth model. New sites may need to be set up to allow new content to flow in, spreading the network wider and narrowing the focus. This leads to an ecosystem where base sites feed into middle sites, which in turn feed into top sites, creating a robust network interconnected by quality tags, subject feeds, and editorial articles.

Surprisingly, OMN inverts the traditional value pyramid: the top sites are easier to set up and manage but hard to add value to. The core of the project lies in the middle sites, where content is sifted and aggregated. The real value, however, remains at the base where content is created.

OMN operates on the principle that there is nothing entirely original in its approach – it draws inspiration from how plumbing, electrical grids, and even the neurons in our brains function. This embraces the concept of as a fundamental pillar of the project.

In the next step of the project, the focus is on stepping away from the dominant ideologies of the 20th century and building social technology based on a different vision of human nature. Unlike other projects, is all about simplicity and decentralization, emphasizing people and community control and social connections. It's an invitation to break free from the confines of the past and shape the future of online communities.

witchescauldron, to random
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A path out of the funding mess

The is an unspoken negative effect of traditional foundation funding agendas on grassroots projects. These grassroots projects often have different priorities and goals than traditional organizations, and the formal processes used by existing projects, such as decidim.org and loomio.org, may not be well-suited for them.

team aims to address this issue by focusing on empowering communities through decentralized decision-making processes. Their experience and track record make them well-suited to carry out this mission.

If successful, the project could have a significant impact on the way communities make decisions in the future. By empowering grassroots movements and organizations, it could help to ensure that their voices are heard and that their needs are addressed.

witchescauldron, to random
@witchescauldron@kolektiva.social avatar

Yes, well, we kinda fucked it up before came along. The of network from my memory comes to mind. Technology as individualism over technology as social, the blogging revolution and years of pointless projects are good examples. Then the puts shiny on their poison pill, and we all swallowed heaps of “social media” and here we are deep in the with a vernier of the on the edge

Hamishcampbell, to Bitcoin

The activism instance has shut down due to payment cancelled from lack of funds. We received no direct donations for this instance for the last year on or and funds were far beyond exorsted.

We would like to restart the instance based on a different codebase if donations could cover the ongoing costs of servers and hosting

Our culture is currently not strong anufe to support alt media hosting or production.

Hamishcampbell, to random
Hamishcampbell, to diy

We are shutting down our mastodon activists instance next month. We are going to look at the sustainability of the campaign instance, but think it's half paying it hosting costs, activism covered no costs over a year. Will do funding outreach for this campaign instance over the next few months, we plan to keep it online, but it would be nice if it covered its hosting costs and help cover the costs of the wider

We have shut down 3 servers over the last year only works if...

rooftopaxx, to random

@Hamishcampbell is campaign.openworlds.info staying afloat for the time being, ie. is it only the activism… instance which is going under?

Hamishcampbell,

@rooftopaxx yep, we are going to look at the sustainability of the campaign instance, but think it's half paying it hosting costs, activism covers no costs over a year. Will do funding outreach for the campaign instance over the next few months, we plan to keep it online, but it would be nice if it covered its hosting costs and help cover the costs of the wider

We have shut down 3 servers over the last year only works if...

hamishcampbell, to random
@hamishcampbell@mastodon.social avatar

Talking about the free culture of the last 40 years of the last century. "Our" tribe living outside tribe.
https://media.blubrry.com/acfm/audiofiles.novara.io/acfm/2023/230903_ACFM_Trip_36_Festivals.mp3

Is it possible to have a different economic and social world, and if it is how do we keep this in place

yakovlevegor, to random

@witchescauldron
Okay, I just can't do it like this. I'm sorry, but I have a much more urgent call to advertise in my repo. I am really sorry about your instance. I don't believe you personally endorse cryptocurrencies, but there are lots of individuals in your inner circle who do, and that raises my concerns. I'm not advertising donations to your instance in DroidRec's README anymore. I apologize for being very misleading.

witchescauldron,

@yakovlevegor protest camps are full of different people. The #OMN thinking on crypto is well expressed on my blog http://hamishcampbell.com/tag/encryptionists/

Hamishcampbell, to mastodon

Resource use is an issue with the codebase, it's not a on using it but is an issue to think about using a different codebase instead.

With Mastodon going down the path and wedded to feudalism as "governance" we also face these common issues for tech projects.

We make a mess in good to try different paths

witchescauldron, to random

#modteam for your information Payment History
2023-09-08 US$46.80 ▼
2020-09-15 €540.00 ▼
2023-08-08 US$46.80 ▼
2023-07-08 US$46.80 ▼
2023-06-08 US$34.80 ▼
2023-05-08 US$34.80 ▼
2023-04-08 US$34.80 ▼
2023-03-08 US$34.80 ▼
2023-02-08 US$58.80 ▼
2023-01-08 US$58.80 ▼
2022-12-08 US$58.80 ▼
2022-11-08 US$58.80 ▼
2019-09-15 €60.00 ▼
2018-09-15 €60.00 ▼
2018-08-22 €5.00 ▼
2018-07-22 €5.00 ▼
2018-06-22 €5.00 ▼
2018-05-22 €5.00 ▼
2018-04-22 €5.00 ▼
2018-03-22 €5.00 ▼
2018-02-22 €5.00 ▼
2018-01-22 €5.00 ▼

witchescauldron,

#modteam Almost none of this has been covered by donations to the #OMN, so we have to shut down this instances on 2023-10-08 due to lack of funding https://opencollective.com/open-media-network/contribute

witchescauldron, to diy

this instance will be shutting down in a month due to no funding coming in from donations. The has been a year of messaging on this, it's finally time to shut the instance down https://opencollective.com/open-media-network/contribute

Social change is a social thing is never free, but yes it's low cost.

witchescauldron,

It takes little money to run the #OMN as everyone is doing the work because they think it's impotent as a social tech project.

But it does cost some money https://opencollective.com/open-media-network/updates/we-currently-run-around-10-openweb-sites-based-on-the-4opens

We have already shut down the search and the chat instances due to lake of funds.

Be the change, fund the alternative, please https://opencollective.com/open-media-network/projects

hamishcampbell, to random
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