lupposofi

@lupposofi@mastodontti.fi

https://www.lupposofi.com/
ja muutenkin aika hissukseen...

Seurailemiani sivustoja:

https://plato.stanford.edu/new.html
https://informallogic.ca/index.php/informal_logic
https://social-epistemology.com/
https://imperfectcognitions.blogspot.com/
https://philosophyofbrains.com/
https://www.alzforum.org/all-news
https://bios.fi/#blogi
https://journal.fi/

Koetan olla pönkittämättä uutismedian luomaa ja ylläpitämää "ajantasaa".

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NicoleCRust, to random
@NicoleCRust@neuromatch.social avatar

What is teleology today?

I've tripped over references to "teleology" from a 1968 paper and I'm trying to wrap my head around it. It's described as controversial, to say the least (CW: "teleology as a lady without whom no biologist can live without but he is ashamed to be seen with her in public." 🙄​). https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-642-88343-9_3

Teleological explanations are defined as, "the explanation of phenomena in terms of the purpose they serve rather than of the cause by which they arise."

Do brain researchers use it today? For instance, are normative models (like Bayesian models of decision making) teleological? There, researchers typically define the optimal solution for a problem and compare real behavior to it.

What about the neuroconnectionist program? There, researchers typically define a problem that needs to be solved (like labeling objects in images), train an ANN to perform it, and compare that ANN to the brain.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41583-023-00705-w

The few papers I've found that discuss teleology versus Normativity were impenetrable. Thanks in advance for pointers in the right direction!

lupposofi,

@NicoleCRust SEP seems to have two entries about teleology, one of teleological notions in biology, https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/teleology-biology/, and the other one on teleological theories of mental content, https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/content-teleological/. The latter one seems to have decent OIR's and RE's. But I guess you are acquainted with those entries already?

NicoleCRust, to random
@NicoleCRust@neuromatch.social avatar

How do you stay connected with curiosity and awe?

I suspect most researchers experience ups and downs. I periodically find myself disconnected from curiosity and awe and I need to find that compass again. (Writing a book like I’m doing now is arguably an overindulgence there).

I worry that researchers are globally a bit disconnected from it, coming out of the pandemic coupled with increasing pressures to produce.

One impression I have is that the special swath of researchers who inhabit this furry elephant are particularly in touch with curiosity and awe.

How do y’all stay connected to it?

lupposofi,

@NicoleCRust An intriguing guestion! I'm way past my prime in research and teaching in universities, but I might still be able to connect to the almost visceral intellectual feeling, which sometimes is THE reward and meaning.

Understanding might be one philosophical path, https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/understanding/, but today I saw here in Mastodon a link to an article which might sound some bell, or not, https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/01461672231191356.

PhilosophicalPsychology, to random
@PhilosophicalPsychology@fediscience.org avatar

Coming soon: a fantastic double special issue on Philosophies of , guest edited by Jasper Feyaerts and Rob Sips! Watch this space...

lupposofi,

@PhilosophicalPsychology That's insane! 😉

krishnadeltoso, to Futurology

📝 Pro-#future notes... #artificialintelligence and industrial #robotics

📌 Industrial robots today are programmed to perform specific and repetitive tasks, which limits their versatility; to make them perform different actions, they need to be reprogrammed by a person.

#innovation #business #decisionmaking
@startupnews @philosophy @cogsci

>>

lupposofi,

@krishnadeltoso @startupnews @philosophy @cogsci Difficult questions. I have no substantive knowledge about anything related to business. However, one possible ingredient in the framework for research on such topics always pops to my mind,

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/ethics-ai/

Maybe everybody is well acquainted with that already?

lupposofi,

@robotistry @krishnadeltoso @startupnews @philosophy @cogsci

I guess you are well acquainted with journals like these, but just in case:

Ethics and Information Technology
https://www.springer.com/journal/10676

Science and Engineering Ethics
https://www.springer.com/journal/11948

Philosophy and Technology
https://www.springer.com/journal/13347

All linked in Merel Noorman's SEP-entry's OIRs
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/computing-responsibility/

Lots of research going on, it seems?

rolle, to internet
@rolle@mementomori.social avatar

I don't like posting to other social media services nowadays, solely because of the character limit. I hate limiting my words. 600 characters should not be not too long thing to post on social media.

lupposofi,

@rolle @anuko @saaste On the contrary, an urgent problem. 😉 We here at our instance have only 500 characters. Sometimes it really bothers, because it restricts the way you approach "thinking aloud". Partitioning a toot isn't a solution (for a s-l-o-w hunt-and-pecker). I don't fancy essays here and verbosity is a plague in online-communication, but sometimes, say, a thousand characters might be a treat. And of course I mostly only read (and learn) here.

lupposofi, to nature Finnish

Erävoitto Rokansaaressa,

https://yle.fi/a/74-20047661

Ehkä tämä vaikutti:

https://www.greenpeace.org/finland/toimi/pelastetaan-rokansaari-hakkuilta/

👍 👏 🤗 🍀 🎵

ninokadic, to philosophy
@ninokadic@mastodon.social avatar

I'm fairly confident that I won't be writing on panpsychism again any time soon... My interests switched to reevaluating physicalism again, especially in connection with cognitive science and empirically-informed approaches to consciousness in a broader sense. I don't have a strong opinion on which position is 'true' - and maybe that's bad for a philosopher - I just go by what I find worthy of further investigation 🤷🏻‍♂️

@philosophy @cogsci @cognition

lupposofi,

@ninokadic @philosophy @cogsci @cognition That's the way to go, if you can. 👍 We live from the love of learning, and a more thorough understanding is our only true gratification.

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lupposofi,

@krishnadeltoso @philosophy @startupnews @cogsci Sounds interesting! I learnt a lot from philosophical entries like Animal Cognition and Animal Consciousness,

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/cognition-animal/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/consciousness-animal/

Maybe AI could help us to avoid excessive anthropomorphic bias in our attempts to learn what there is? After all, it just could be creative, couldn't it,

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/creativity/#CreaArtiInte

lupposofi,

@Babadofar @krishnadeltoso @philosophy @startupnews @cogsci A good question. And already the presupposition that animals "think" merits consideration. We humans may be so blinded by our language-centered existence that some new starts may be required. I'm ignorant of the feeding- or eating-habits of AI:s, but maybe some kind of extraction from available biological, physiological and behavioural data might be one step or check in the "translation" process?

lupposofi,

@krishnadeltoso @Babadofar @philosophy @startupnews @cogsci Thanks for the tip.

PhilosophicalPsychology, to philosophy
@PhilosophicalPsychology@fediscience.org avatar

Latest papers: Anna Pederneschi provides an analysis of and in social hinge https://doi.org/10.1080/09515089.2023.2247010 @philosophy

lupposofi,

@PhilosophicalPsychology @philosophy Sounds most interesting and urgent! 👍

Regrettably unavailable for us mere mortals sans institutional access or other expensive privileges. 😕

lakens, to random
@lakens@mastodon.social avatar

Sometimes I am annoyed by a specific scientist not owning up to a mistake they made, and correcting themselves. Then I read Mahoney's conclusions in his review on the psychology of a scientist, and I am annoyed by all scientists. https://doi.org/10.1177/030631277900900304

lupposofi,

@lakens That's the reason there are scientific communities, peer review etc., with mutual criticism. Science is a joint endeavour.

analyticus, to philosophy

Karl Popper's Paradox of Tolerance:

If everyone is tolerant of every idea, then intolerant ideas will emerge. Tolerant people will tolerate this intolerance, and the intolerant people will not tolerate the tolerant people. Eventually, the intolerant people will take over and create a society of intolerance. Therefore, Popper said, to maintain a society of tolerance, the tolerant must be intolerant of intolerance…

More:
🔗 https://markmanson.net/the-paradox-of-tolerance

@philosophy

lupposofi,

@mkhoury @leidkultur @analyticus @philosophy @gerritbeine Rainer Forst's excellent SEP-entry on Toleration is always an apt philosophical source, if the concept is of interest,

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/toleration/

#tolerance #toleration #ethics #philosophy

PhilosophicalPsychology, to philosophy
@PhilosophicalPsychology@fediscience.org avatar

Latest papers: An based approach to can illuminate some of the causes, experiential character and consequences of affective disorders. So argues Joel Krueger in this piece: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/09515089.2023.2243975?src= @philosophy @phenomenology

lupposofi,

@PhilosophicalPsychology @philosophy @phenomenology Spent an hour with that article, too. The promise is that "Affordance frameworks can help us add phenomenological nuance to [various unusual] reports", and maybe assist thinking, e.g., the built environment in a fresh and affectively more helpful way.

The question might be, do they really? The article contains mainly promises. A more general question remains about the specific surplus-value of the arduous affordance-theoretical framework.

lisabortolotti, to philosophyofmind
@lisabortolotti@fediscience.org avatar

Interesting article by Kathy Puddifoot on : https://iai.tv/articles/katherine-puddifoot-bias-doesnt-always-undermine-truth-auid-2563?_auid=2020 @philosophy @philosophyofmind

lupposofi,

@lisabortolotti @philosophy @philosophyofmind I find that a dangerous slippery slope, where truth is ultimately defined purely pragmatically. Epistemology isn't only about some individual's situated knowledge, but knowledge in general (cf., e.g., epistemic security). If biases are rehabilitated, then also those which are against our personal interests. I for my part remain motivated to reasoning veridically. 😉

lupposofi,

@lisabortolotti @philosophy @philosophyofmind Motivated reasoning and other biases can be useful and healthy, but that doesn't make them epistemically innocent. There is a crucial difference btw, say, and positive , and human flourishing isn't the only intrinsic value. A's allowing in her reasoning is a reason for B to lower her epistemic in A's , social- epistemologically speaking . Cf. also of .

wildmandrake, to philosophy

Here's a question that may seem simplistic - are corporations objectively real?

@philosophy





@psychology

lupposofi,

@malte @wildmandrake @philosophy @psychology At least they can be considered as legal persons, with a twisted character, regrettably, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporation#Personhood

immersfer, to random Finnish
@immersfer@spore.social avatar

"Ilmastonmuutokseen liittyvä ajatus puiden viilentävästä vaikutuksesta on tullut kaupunkisuunnitteluun vasta viime vuosina. Sitä ei ole ehkä tarvinnut vielä ottaa niin vakavasti huomioon, mutta pohdimme sitä kaavoituksessa koko ajan enemmän."

https://yle.fi/a/74-20043795

lupposofi,

@immersfer Lopultakin heräillään. Täytyisi vain laittaa kaiken maailman yleiskaavapäälliköt koulun penkille ja purkaa rakentamisen mafioita.

immersfer, to random Finnish
@immersfer@spore.social avatar

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    lupposofi,

    @immersfer Kyse on osittain episteemisestä turvallisuudesta,

    https://internationalsecurityjournal.com/elizabeth-seger-exploring-epistemic-security/

    ja onneksi siihen liittyen on paljon tutkivaa työtä käynnissä taholla jos toisella. Ruåtsin KR-projekti on yksi esimerkki,

    https://knowledge-resistance.com/the-project/

    Eri asia on, kiinnostaako tuollainen ajoissa.

    jhilden, to calligraphy
    @jhilden@vis.social avatar

    ”you had one job”

    (The Finnish national library has a fun text-searchable collection of old newspapers.)

    https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/sanomalehti/binding/632474?page=1

    lupposofi,

    @jhilden E.g., today's newspapers exactly a hundred years ago,

    https://digi.kansalliskirjasto.fi/papers-for-day

    ninokadic, to philosophy
    @ninokadic@mastodon.social avatar

    Are you able to form vivid images in your mind? How would you rate their vividness from 1 to 10? 🧠

    @philosophy @philosophyofmind @cognition

    lupposofi,

    @ninokadic @markusl @mirijb2 @philosophy @philosophyofmind @cognition I think something like this, https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mental-imagery/#MentImagDesi

    lupposofi,

    @sbourne @ninokadic @philosophy @philosophyofmind @cognition Just as an aside, if conceptual depth and clarity is of interest, there is a distinct field of research called philosophy of memory, and this a good introduction, https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/memory/

    rolle, (edited ) to random Finnish
    @rolle@mementomori.social avatar

    Näin vaihdat instanssista toiseen (mukaanlukien seuraajat ja seurattavat, ainoastaan postauksesi eivät siirry):

    1. Mene vanhan instanssisi asetuksiin kohtaan "Tuo ja vie" (englanninkielisessä "Import & Export" ja sen alta, "Vie tietoja" (englanninkielisessä "Data export"). Paina "Pyydä arkisto" (engl. "Request your archive") -nappia. Kun saat arkiston, pura se johonkin kansioon.

    2. Tee tili uudelle instanssille

    3. Uudella instanssilla: "Tili" (englanninkielisessä "Account"), rullaa alas: "Siirtyminen toiselta tililtä" (englanniksi: "Moving from another account")

    4. Syötä sinne vanhan instanssisi kokonainen tunnus esimerkiksi: @nimimerkki

    5. Mene vanhalle instanssille: "Tili" (englanninkielisessä "Account"), rullaa alas kohtaan "Muuta toiseen tiliin" (englanninkielisessä: "Moving to another account")

    6. Syötä sinne uuden instanssin kokonainen tunnus, esimerkiksi: @nimimerkki ja paina nappia.

    7. Mene uudelle instanssille kohtaan "Tuo ja vie" (englanninkielisessä "Import & Export") valitse sen alta "Tuo" (engl. "Import") ja valitse alaspudotusvalinnasta "Seurattujen lista" (englanniksi "Following list").

    8. Tämän jälkeen valitse ykköskohdasta purkamastasi arkistosta following_accounts.csv ja paina "Lähetä" (englanniksi "Upload")-nappia.

    Tämän toimenpiteen jälkeen seurattavasi ja seuraajasi listautuvat hiljalleen profiilisi alle. Tämä tehdään eräajona, joten voi mennä hetki, että kaikki on näkyvissä.

    Toivottavasti viihdyt uudella Mastodon-instanssilla!

    lupposofi,

    @rolle Hienot ohjeet! Operaatio muistuttaa tosin mutkikkuudeltaan hiukan perunkirjoitusta, mutta kai tuosta selviäisi, jos olisi pakko. Vanhemmiten vaihtoehtona on aina todeta haikeasti, että "aika aikaa kutakin". 😉

    lupposofi,

    @rolle Meillä tähän mennessä neljästä, mutta olemme osassa saaneet ammatti-apua juristilta. Tuskallisuuden osalta onneksi noin päin. 🤗

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