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strypey

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atomicpoet, to random
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Jack Dorsey explaining exactly why no single company should own a social media platform.

strypey,
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@Susan_Larson_TN
"In its latest update, Bluesky has added Thread Muting, so that you can mute notifications of conversations in which you have been mentioned. A few days ago, Bluesky was updated with content moderation for the first time. Users can now report a post as spam, hate content, copyright infringement, or illegal."

https://9to5mac.com/2023/04/21/bluesky-moderation-new-features/

Nostr is a totally different situation. In a P2P network there are no server mods and everyone is their own moderator.

@atomicpoet

strypey,
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@atomicpoet
> they definitely have relay mods. And yes, they can ban you

Are these relays like the Pubs and Rooms in SSB?

@Susan_Larson_TN

ramsey, to php
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I decided to play around with the AT Protocol, so I put together a very rough & very early library to play around with the concepts.

If you're interested, check it out, & I'd love to have others contribute to round it out and make it full-featured.

Ultimately, I’d love this library to be a starting point for working on some / bridging.

https://github.com/socialweb-php/atproto

strypey, (edited )
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@ramsey
> I’d love this library to be a starting point for working on some ActivityPub / ATProtocol bridging.

Awesome! Are you part of this interest group yet?

https://indieweb.social/@tchambers/110288194352540474

@tchambers

strypey, to internet
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"We believe needs to allow users to:

  • Read and post to multiple social networks from one open source client.

  • Pick and choose between algorithms for filtering and sorting the posts from all these networks.

  • Design (and potentially share) different algorithms for filtering and sorting.

  • Use third-party services to assist in filtering and sorting.

  • Audit the performance of these different algorithms as well as the third party services."

https://publicinfrastructure.org/2022/11/09/gobo-2-0-all-your-social-media-in-one-place/

strypey,
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@icedquinn
> we have reinvented RSS

RSS is a protocol. Gobo is a multi-protocol social app.

strypey,
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@screwtape
I don't understand how this relates to the OP. Don't feel obliged to keep your explanations short, you have 500 chars at your disposal, and multiple posts are an option 😋

me, to internet

I've been hearing a lot of (mostly negative) rumblings about and I've been trying to find out what all the noise is about.

What I'm struggling to understand is why they felt the need to reinvent the wheel by creating the protocol. What does it supposedly do that does not?

I don't really see a way to see this as anything other than an attempt to be deliberately incompatible for some reason.

Most of what I've been able to find online is either from tech media which glosses over all the relevant technical details, or from BlueSky's official statements which don't seem to answer it either.

strypey,
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@tragiccommons
> The ActivityPub protocol is poorly specified

Can you explain what you mean by this?

> the moderation protocol is server-based

Unless I misunderstand what you mean here, this is a feature, not a bug.

@me

jwildeboer, to fediverse
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The standards that’s behind has no notion of content warnings. Mastodon decided to use the subject field for that. Not saying it’s right or wrong, but this decision makes interoperability a problem.

strypey,
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@sl007
> In this case it is as:sensitive adopted by mastodon

Has anyone written an FEP for this?

@jwildeboer @evan

strypey,
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@jwildeboer
> FEPs are ultimately a voluntary collection of possible changes/extensions, not part of the standard itself

That's my understanding. They serve as an incubator for standardizing things (by rough consensus and running code) not specified in AP. Things which might become part of an AP 2.0 or official extensions collection if either of these were to happen.

@sl007 @evan

raccoon, to internet

🧵 [1 / 15]

So, is all the hype now and a lot of people are falling for the olde "invite link" trick which not only paints, what is ultimately going to be another social media shitshow, as an exclusive club, but also sneakily turns everyone's curiosity into a vessel for word-of-mouth advertisement to ride piggy back on.

Well, maybe the AT Protocol is at least better than . So, since it is on [1] , let's have a quick look and ... Aww shit! Thread time..

strypey,
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@raccoon
Noob questions; is there an ActivityPub implementation that doesn't use JS? Are all the ones, that do (including Mastodon) subject to the security vulnerability you lay out here?

strypey,
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@raccoon
> As a user, you are not an immediate target

Let's say I'm a noob Mastodon admin. Are all the ActivityPub implementation that use JS subject to the security vulnerability you lay out here?

tchambers, (edited ) to fediverse

🚨 Want to help build a robust bridge and relays between & networks? (:fediverse:

Live only for a few hours - we launched this group late last night - it already has over 40 developers/followers starting to do exactly that.

➡️ @activitypubblueskybridge

If you are working on this, or want to, go follow that mastodon-compatible Frendica group & introduce yourself!

cc: @mmasnick @anildash @manton

strypey,
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@mastodonmigration
> check out the Bluesky Terms of Service for using the AT Protocol

The wording here is unclear on whether these ToS apply to any use of the AT Protocol. I'm guessing it's just ToS for using bsky.social, because any protocol encumbered with this kind of legal baggage is a non-starter. I imagine things will become clearer once the number of instances federating over AT is >1.

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@tchambers @activitypubblueskybridge @mmasnick @anildash @manton

strypey,
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@mastodonmigration
In the meantime, why not explore the AT tech? Discover what it would take to make a functioning bridge, or implement an AT lite in existing fedi apps to allow interactions with AT users on our terms (no spam, no algorithmic manipulation, no mass harvesting of posts or whatever). Worst case scenario, the people doing it waste their time. Even then, they might learn some stuff useful in improving AP.

(2/2)

@tchambers @activitypubblueskybridge @mmasnick @anildash @manton

strypey, to fediverse
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For those who didn't know (or have forgotten), there's a PeerTube channel here with videos of the talks and Q&A sessions from the conference we had in late 2020:
https://conf.tube/c/apconf_channel/videos

Picking through these videos is a great way to get a sense of where some of us wanted fediverse development to go, both technically and politically.

strypey,
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@screwtape
> It would be neat to meet all these kiwis

Being an online event it will hopefully have participants from all over, but I imagine that will include a few more kiwis than last time :)

strypey,
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@evan as one of the midwives of the fediverse, it would be great to have your advice and participation in a fediverse conference.

strypey, (edited )
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With pandemic-related things calming down a bit, and especially with the surge in fediverse use over the last 6 months, it seems like a good time to regroup. Would anyone be interested in attending an online fediverse conference, or helping to organise one?

https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/anyone-keen-on-a-fediverse-conference-in-2023-24/3167

strypey, (edited ) to random
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Where to start with this failure of basic fact-checking:

https://token-information.com/the-gnu-thaler-digital-cash-without-blockchain/

First the persistent misspelling of Taler as "Thaler".

> GNU sounds like an African animal

It is, sometimes known as a wildebeest.

> But it is digital money

Nope. It's a currency-agnostic digital payment system.

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strypey,
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@bhaugen
> Please explain. (Unless you already did and I missed it...)

Which bit? Did you read the 4 posts in the thread and skim the linked article I'm quoting from?

strypey,
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> a joint project of the Swiss National Bank and the Bern University of Applied Sciences

Nope. It's developed as part of the GNU Project by Taler Systems SA:

https://taler-systems.com/

BEAS were involved in the first practical trial in 2020:

https://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2020/fall/free-software-payment-system-launches-at-swiss-university

... following which the SNB issued a paper co-authored with one of the Taler founders, and the creator of eCash:

https://www.snb.ch/en/mmr/papers/id/working_paper_2021_03

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strypey,
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> Central banks are thinking about digital money

Nope. They are thinking about digital tokens that can represent money like cash does. Ok that one is a bit of a nitpick, but this piece is published on a site that claims to advise investors about digital finance. You'd think their writers would know the difference between money, cash, currency etc and use the right terms in the right places.

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atomicpoet, to random
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Bluesky vs. Mastodon is not as black and white as many seem to think.

Let me explain why. 🧵

  1. A Twitter founder funds and advises Bluesky.

Okay, a Twitter founder (@ev) runs a for-profit instance, and another (@biz) has offered to advise Mastodon.

  1. Bluesky accepted VC money.

A VC firm owns 3 of the top 5 largest Mastodon servers

  1. An evil corporation (Twitter) helped develop Bluesky.

An evil corporation (Google) helped develop the Fediverse

I have further thoughts here...

strypey,
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@paul
>Does FEP borrow from the Python PEP model, by any chance?

Also relevant is the XEP process that the XMPP Foundation has developed for extending the XMPP federation protocol:

https://xmpp.org/about/standards-process/

@smallcircles @atomicpoet

gubi, to internet
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checklist:

Is it ? I'm tired of platforms doing things on my back hiding into proprietary code.

Does it support protocol? I'm sick of companies building fences around users, treating them like cattle.

The content feed is chronological? I'm fed up with algorithms manipulating public discourse and hiding things.

Is it free from advertising? I'm disgusted by communities of people transformed in marketing targets and put on sale.

I won't give back freedom.

strypey,
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@gubi
> Is it floss?

Maybe?
https://github.com/bluesky-social

> Does it support protocol?

No, they decided to create their own federation protocol called AT. But there is already talk among AP folks about building bridges between the two.

> The content feed is chronological?

Presumably that will be an option. I think the idea is that you can choose which algorithm to use with your feed at any given time.

> Is it free from advertising?

Not sure but I think the plan is to build in ads.

troed, to fediverse
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I agree account portability even if the original instance shuts down suddenly is critically important.

I definitely don't agree this would be hard to create on ActivityPub. It needs <some trusted place> to be your account backup in case it's needed. And yes, that trusted place could be self hosted for those that don't trust.

(Currently the main Mastodon codebase would need some, but not extensive, additions to be able to recreate a posting history. Replacing origin addresses in a database isn't data intensive though)

strypey,
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@troed
> I agree account portability even if the original instance shuts down suddenly is critically important

Absolutely.

> I definitely don't agree this would be hard to create on ActivityPub

This is contrary to everything I've read on the subject. Would you be willing to explain your implementation ideas on SocialHub?
Https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/

Maybe draft an FEP to standardise it?

https://codeberg.org/fediverse/fep

thomasfuchs, to random
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Poked my head into Mastodon quickly, still people ranting about Bluesky.

Again: if you want to make Mastodon more welcome to people and have everyone here, it needs to get easier to use and add features people need (working replies, working search, quote posts, better discoverability of interesting posts).

Stop whining about some other site.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

strypey,
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@thomasfuchs
> if you want to make Mastodon more welcome to people

At the risk of being a broken record, this is like telling people in 1999 that if they want more people using the web, they have to improve Internet Exploiter. There are alternatives to using Mastodon to access the fediverse:

https://delightful.club/delightful-fediverse-apps/

Some of them...

> add features people need (working replies, working search, quote posts, better discoverability of interesting posts)

strypey,
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@azizhp
> And the Verified problem is simpler to solve

How?

@thomasfuchs

blkgoddess, to random

Full stop, I hate how disabled people are ripped off for things that are essential like mobility devices, communication devices, adapted recreational items. Why should we have to pay thousands to have legs or talk, like any other Abled person can do for free. There needs to be programs in place to make sure these items are low cost and/or FREE.

strypey,
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@blkgoddess
> There needs to be programs in place to make sure these items are low cost and/or FREE

Totally agree. Most countries have this and it's called a public health system. We look at the ridiculous, inefficient illness-industrial complex the US calls its "health system" with mounting horror.

mjx, to fediverse

question I’ve not yet seen discussed:

What happens if server admin wants to move from, say, to ? Is there a way to do that without essentially nuking all user accounts and starting over? How deep does the ability to migrate go, or should it go?

strypey,
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@mjx
> How deep does the ability to migrate go, or should it go?

Not very deep. Account portability is one of the reasons BlueSky give for creating AT Protocol. If accounts were fully portable between any two fediverse instances, using methods specified in future versions of the Activity protocol (or in FEPs that extend it), it would be possible to set up the new instance and give users of the old one a one-click way to migrate to the new one. They would also have the option to go elsewhere.

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