davidho, For April Fools' Day, I was going to suggest a ridiculous CO₂ removal (#CDR) method but everything I’ve come up with has already been proposed as a real solution.
davidho, There are proposals to implement enhanced rock weathering on farms for CO₂ removal (#CDR), and studies have shown that spreading rock dust on farmland can boost crop yields and help increase fertilizer use efficiency.
GreenFire, So, I'm quite resigned to not being able to entirely restore the reputation of carbon offsets using carbon dioxide with everyone and I entirely appreciate the damage that has been done to this budding new part of the circular economy we need to transition into.
@jgkoomey @matthewtoad43 since y'all have been some of the fiercest opponents to this new industry, I'm curious what you think of this American University's group rebranding.
Minute 44 especially #CDR #Cimate
https://youtu.be/yvth2iU2dHA?si=xgoT5B3INysDzboc
davidho, Someone should air a CO₂ removal (#CDR) commercial during the Super Bowl because if CDR’s gonna happen, it has to evolve from something that almost no one’s heard of to the largest industry the world has ever known in a relatively short time.
davidho, It’s not: if we don’t decarbonize fast enough, we’ll need more CO₂ removal (#CDR).
It’s: If we don’t decarbonize fast enough, we’re screwed.
CDR is useless unless we decarbonize drastically.
CDR is for residual emissions, not luxury removal.
simon_brooke, @davidho if it even works at scale, which sounds about as likely as a perpetual motion device.
tshirtman, @davidho i liked last video by hank green about this, i think he made a good job explaining that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dRgCsZ1q7g
jpGattuso, ‼️ Check out our new paper led by #AlexandraDeprez “Sustainability limits needed for CO2 removal” http://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.adj6171
#PaulLeadley, #KateDooley, @wolfgangcramer , #AleksandarRankovich, #EliotCarlson, @efesce
#CDR
davidho, We need CO₂ removal (#CDR) to reach net zero, but it's incorrect to say we must ramp up both decarbonization and CDR today.
Minimizing CDR deployment will decrease fossil fuel use, greenhouse gas emissions, and air pollution.
For climate and human health, we should focus current efforts on deploying renewables, electrification, carbon-neutral/negative fuels, and efficiency, instead of betting on our ability to scale CDR in the future.
danielharan, @davidho it's paywalled, and I thought that was your claim. If the paper is the best source for that claim, I'll ask a friend to get me a copy.
davidho, @danielharan As one of the authors, it makes it my claim too. I could email you a reprint.
davidho, If the estimate is correct, it would take 14 billion tonnes of olivine to remove 10 billion tonnes of CO₂ from the atmosphere. This is a CO₂ removal (#CDR) target for 2050.
We currently ship 11 billion tonnes of goods every year. Imagine shipping 14 billion tonnes of olivine on top of that.
davidho, (edited ) When a company can reduce CO₂ emissions easily but chooses to do something ridiculous for CO₂ removal (#CDR), you know it’s greenwashing.
https://akerbp.com/en/kelp-farming-plant-to-remove-co2-from-the-atmosphere/
jpGattuso, Nice and timely move: « EU bans ‘misleading’ environmental claims that rely on offsetting—Terms such as “climate neutral” or “climate positive” that rely on offsetting will be banned from the EU by 2026 as part of a crackdown on misleading environmental claims »
#CDR #CarbonCredit #CarbonOffsets
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/jan/17/eu-bans-misleading-environmental-claims-that-rely-on-offsetting
GreenFire, Roads2Removal.org is a collaborative public outreach initiative from Climate Now and the Livermore Lab Foundation trying to help us to save our planet by scaling up our drawdown of carbon dioxide out of our atmosphere.
As with the development of any new industry, the economics of the efforts strongly impacts the rate of growth.
https://roads2removal.org/purpose/
#ClimateProgress #ClimateSolutions #CDR #DAC #biochar
GreenFire, In 2013 investment in solar was about one-sixth of investment in oil production.
What a difference a decade of climate action has made!
Investment in clean energy in 2023 was $1.8 Trillion or 180% more than into fossil fuels.
#WeCanDoThis #ClimateAction #ClimateProgress #ClimateSolutions
https://www.iea.org/reports/world-energy-outlook-2023
GreenFire, As those of us working to address our climate crisis manage to get more renewable energy and batteries deployed, it's become imperative for all Americans that at all afford it to switch from an ICEV to an electric vehicle.
It's also cheaper to operate them btw: National average cost of charging an EV is equivalent of $1.41 per eGallon.
(this map also shows where electricity is the most expensive in the U.S. too btw)
davidho, Humans have always treated the ocean as a dumping ground: toxic chemicals, munitions, plastics, and now we want to dump massive amounts of terrestrial biomass in the ocean for CO₂ removal (#CDR).
https://www.science.org/content/article/combat-climate-change-companies-bury-plant-waste-sea
jim_smoot, @davidho that article suggests chemical reactions breakdown methane in sulfate-rich waters. Do you know what that assertion is based on? I suspect it’s SRB metabolism; and if it is, then it’s wildly optimistic to believe that much OC decomposition won’t lead to methane ebullition.
mediageek,
davidho, We need to talk about air pollution.
Even if CO₂ removal (#CDR) can remove 100% of the CO₂ that we emit from burning carbon, we still have 7-9 million deaths from combustion-related particulate matter to deal with.
CDR cannot be used to extend fossil fuel usage.
kierkegaank, @davidho it can only remove a tiny fraction of co2, and it won’t replace fuel in some odd notion of net zero… but there are some applications where petroleum products can’t be replaced, like military and emergency vehicles, emergency generators, or certain polymers
At some point niche uses won’t be enough to make normal extraction viable
madiko, German Die wichtigsten Botschaften rund um #KohlenDioxidEntfernung:
Kein Ersatz für Emmissions-Reduktionen.
Wirkungslos ohne deutliche Emmisssions-Reduktion.
Nur für unvermeidbare Emissionen.
Die Lösung der Klimakrise besteht aus vielen Teilen.Quelle: @MEVorrath
davidho, Hey kids, just a few more days to submit your abstract for the third Negative CO₂ Emissions Conference in Oxford.
The deadline has been extended to January 1, 2024.
Go ahead and try to convince me that we should deploy #CDR now with your talks, posters, and videos.
dgfeist, German Ein interessanter Ansatz zu #CDR (Carbon Dioxide Removal) mit Hilfe hydrothermaler Quellen am Ozeanboden.
Die Methode hat prinzipiell das Potenzial, das gesamte durch die Menschheit in die Atmosphäre eingebrachte #CO2 wieder zu entfernen. Man müsste dazu einen natürlicherweise ablaufenden Prozess durch aktives Pumpen von Tiefseewasser beschleunigen. Dabei entsteht auch noch grüner #Wasserstoff den man ernten könnte.
Zu Chancen und Risiken:
https://eos.org/opinions/a-transformative-carbon-sink-in-the-ocean
dgfeist, German @christianschwaegerl Ich habe vor Kurzem erst gelesen, dass es natürliche geologische Quellen von H2 gibt. Die könnte man statt Öl und Gas anzapfen und hätte kein CO2-Problem.
Nach diesem Artikel verstehe ich jetzt auch, wieso an diesen Quellen überhaupt H2 frei wird.
christianschwaegerl, German @dgfeist Weißer Wasserstoff aus Serpentenisierung, sehr spannend.
davidho, My biggest fear about CO₂ removal (#CDR) isn't that someone will try to deploy it at scale now (who will pay trillions of dollars for that?) but that voters and decision-makers will think we have magical solutions and don't need to decarbonize ASAP.
davidho, That guy says the craziest things.
Seruko, @davidho what would you say to a well made argument around: it's useful to have pilot programs and people invest in solutions early to develop institutional.knowledge and lessons learned in a field, so that when you're ready to move forward (possibly many decades later) you have people with the skills and expertise ready to support a rapidly expanding industry?
davidho, @Seruko I'm okay with that.
davidho, Read every word. Decarbonization has to come first. #CDR is only for legacy and residual emissions.
jim_smoot, @davidho today’s CDR efforts must be nonparasitic; thus operators should 2x their energy use with renewable energy assets that are “additional”. Done smartly, this increases decarbonization rate while building out needed CDR capacity. So far, Fervo Energy is only example though…
davidho, I have questions about CO₂ removal (#CDR).
davidho, Between 1999 and 2020, 460,000 deaths in the US was attributable to PM₂.₅ from burning coal.
No amount of CO₂ removal (#CDR) will fix this.
davidho,
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chrisnelder, @davidho Well I'd love to learn more about that, as mineralization is the only kind of CCS that I really believe in or have any hope for...
davidho, @chrisnelder It doesn’t mean ERW won’t work. But we can’t do MRV right now. Anyone who tells you differently is selling you something, most likely CDR.
davidho, Hot take: The world is divided into those who think ocean iron fertilization will work as a CO₂ removal (#CDR) technique because of stoichimetry, and those who know it won’t work because of everything else.