fediverse

This magazine is from a federated server and may be incomplete. Browse more on the original instance.

vamp07, in Jack Dorsey says he quit Bluesky because it was becoming another Twitter

Nostr is ultimately the way forward and he knows it. Nobody controlling your identity other than yourself.

Asudox,
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar

Them promoting crypto is fishy. I don’t like Nostr.

vamp07,

How is nostr promoting crypto?

Asudox, (edited )
@Asudox@lemmy.world avatar
fine_sandy_bottom,

Promoting crypto you say?

guts,

They only use Bitcoin (optional) which is getting highly regulated.

guts,

It seem many here are against it.

cupcakezealot, in Jack Dorsey says he quit Bluesky because it was becoming another Twitter
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

bluesky has a robust moderation system which blocks transphobes, bigots, and racism which is why jack hates it.

ada,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

It doesn’t block them though does it? My understanding is that it simply filters them so that you don’t see them anymore. They’re still there doing their thing though.

Jennykichu,

You’re correct. It doesn’t stop Nazis from having a home or building a following. It just allows users to not see it.

damon,

It does block them more so than on fedi. When I block someone they can’t see my content nor account, they can’t log out and go see my content. It’s not just filtered, also they have banned accounts and removed content

Jennykichu,

Uh… source? This runs counter to everything I’ve seen and read about it.

guts,

So it’s like Reddit

dumbass, in Jack Dorsey says he quit Bluesky because it was becoming another Twitter
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

Well stop trying to make twitter then you fuckin idiot.

Microw,

He was on the board, it’s not like it was his project or anything. Imo he wanted to create a protocol, not a platform. “Improve Activitypub” like they always claimed. But then Bluesky realized that they can simply build their own platform and be Twitter 2.0

Venator,

He should just contribute to mastodon instead.

hitmyspot,

Its community based so his opinion could be ignored, unlike when he’s on a board and his opinion was ignored.

heluecht,

@Microw @dumbass No. He wouldn't be happy with ActivityPub as well. He imagines a social network where no one can perform any moderation. He favours Nostr for exactly that reason. Bluesky has got moderation (just like the Fediverse) - which he dislikes.

interdimensionalmeme,

Moderation should always be client side. Server side should not be able to interfere or even read public content

heluecht,

@interdimensionalmeme There are different opinions about this. And luckily people can chose networks according to their specific opinions.

Rentlar, in Jack Dorsey says he quit Bluesky because it was becoming another Twitter

Everyone on Masto/Fedi has been memeing about this since the start: Whatever platform Dorsey’s on becomes Twitter, lol.

marathon,
@marathon@lemmy.ca avatar

At least Dorsey is thinking about social platforms, problems. Did you even read the post or simply spouting what your tribe says in your echo chamber?

dumbass,
@dumbass@leminal.space avatar

I was elected to meme, not to read.

dameoutlaw, in Jack Dorsey says he quit Bluesky because it was becoming another Twitter
@dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml avatar

Several of you seem to be misunderstanding. When he says “like Twitter” it’s not in the negative ways you are thinking. It’s in the negative ways he’s thinking. Meaning censorship and being able to ban accounts. He doesn’t want that. Mastodon would have the same criticisms if he commented on it.

SorteKanin,
@SorteKanin@feddit.dk avatar

Oh right, is that this new “free speech absolutism” I’ve heard about? 🙃

PanArab,
@PanArab@lemmy.ml avatar

Unless it is pro-Palestinian speech of course

huginn, (edited )

Or speech that hurts his feelings

haui_lemmy,

These billionaires are just regular people with less empathy (there are no ethical billionaires). They have the same braindead ideas we all have if we dont know anything about a topic and are in a talkative mood or possibly drunk or high, or all of those combined I guess.

delirious_owl,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Wasn’t twitter really good about banning actual Nazis and not banning journalists until Musk came along? After Musk came, Nazis were unbanned and we saw a huge wave of journalists getting banned.

Supermariofan67,

It was always pretty bad, musk just made it worse

ada,
@ada@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Before Musk, Twitters advertising was driven by engagement, and engagement was driven by encountering things that made you angry. So they were slow to respond to anything but the most egregious cases of hatred and bigotry.

Jennykichu,

No… NO. It was appallingly terrible at banning Nazis, worse than even Reddit in many ways. Twitter banned a tiny, tiny fraction of extremely prominent and openly fascist accounts that had been permitted to operate for years, but they ignored Nazi dogwhistles from large accounts and smaller accounts that didn’t gain a following and were used to harass 1-2 people were generally allowed to operate freely.

Remember: they didn’t even ban Donald Trump himself until he tried to literally violently overthrow the US government. Twitter pre-Musk was an absolute shit hole, but it was at least headed in a hopeful direction. Musk kept it a shit hole and just changed the direction it was going.

Granixo, in Jack Dorsey says he quit Bluesky because it was becoming another Twitter
@Granixo@feddit.cl avatar

Has he heard about Mastodon?

Jennykichu, (edited )

It would be funny if he started a Mastodon instance with whatever his values are. The reason he would never do that is because it’s not for profit.

dameoutlaw,
@dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml avatar

Why would that matter?

Granixo,
@Granixo@feddit.cl avatar

'Cause we gotta keep the fediverse growing, that’s why.

0xtero,

Why?

marathon, in Jack Dorsey says he quit Bluesky because it was becoming another Twitter
@marathon@lemmy.ca avatar
marathon,
@marathon@lemmy.ca avatar

Too bad most commenting haven’t read the interview (what else is new, eh?). I like this, Jack Dorsey responding to a question on how the US government had its hooks into Twitter’s leadership before the buyout:

I think it was problematic, and I also don’t think the people who got called out in the Twitter Files get enough credit for pushing back on government requests. The U.S. is certainly one of them. Twitter has a track record of fighting the U.S. on free speech causes, especially around transparency reports. Opening the lens even broader to other governments, we had even more fights. Tons of fights with India, Turkey, Russia, Nigeria. These are all governments that threatened arrest of our employees, raided our employees’ homes, offices, asking for phone numbers and personal information for accounts that were critical of the governments. I think that was one part that’s overlooked and not appreciated.

davel,
@davel@lemmy.ml avatar

Two things can be true at the same time: that Twitter & Nostr have become Nazi bars and that the large US corporate social media platforms (Meta, X, Alphabet, Reddit, etc.) have become constituent parts of the US military-intelligence-industrial complex.

eatthecake, in Jack Dorsey says he quit Bluesky because it was becoming another Twitter

I thought it was meant to be the new twitter, by design… wut?

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

it’s meant to be twitter by ui and feel, for sure.

i’d also say it’s meant to be more like twitter from a decade ago when twitter actually had a functioning moderation system and kept toxicity away. the moderation system, which is open sourced and allows anyone to add on to, is one of the best.

i’m subscribed to bsky.app/profile/aegis.blue, which blocks or hides antisemites, bigots, racists, transphobes, you name it.

dameoutlaw,
@dameoutlaw@lemmy.ml avatar

Not at all.

jmcs,

He means they are trying not to be the Nazi bar, and added an homeopathic amount of moderation to the platform.

yo_scottie_oh, in Ideas to build a federated StackExchange alternative

Honest question: Why?

IMHO stack exchange is basically reddit/lemmy with hand cuffs because no threaded discussions and every other question is closed as off topic. I don’t understand what another stack exchange would buy anybody.

I guess one thing stack exchange does well is “related questions” and tagging, but… I dunno. (shrugs)

LostWon,

Useful constraints would focus discussion to keep questions/replies brief, relevant, and hopefully helpful, wouldn’t they? I just wonder how up and downvoting would work since that would go very differently from Lemmy.

BlueEther,
@BlueEther@no.lastname.nz avatar

I just wonder how up and downvoting would work since that would go very differently from Lemmy.

how so?

LostWon,

I’m sure this has been solved already but I’m just wondering how you ensure people are voting based on the helpfulness and/or merit of the response. That’s the ideal on Lemmy but it’s obviously not always the case here. Presumably, you’d have to be logged in on the other platform to vote but you can just see the discussion from Lemmy, I guess?

lemmyreader, (edited )

Honest question: Why?

You missed the StackExchange and AI story this week ?

huginn,

Federated Stack Exchange isn’t harder for AI to eat. If anything it’s easier.

ramble81,

And guess what, it can be done just as easily, if not, more easily on a federated instance. You don’t gain at real additional control over your data (and no putting “covered under license X” is about as realistic as those Facebook posts saying “I don’t give anyone access to my posts”).

I’ve said this before and I’ll say it again, realistically the only way to control your data from AI is a DRM type solution which everyone fundamentally hates.

DaseinPickle, (edited )

I don’t think this can be solved with any type of technology. It needs legislation. These AI companies need regulation.

dessalines,

With a few more additions, lemmy could serve as a good replacement. We already have a Forum / NewComments sort which is perfect for question / answer type communities. We could add a feature to make default sorts for specific communities, so they would feel less fast, or possibly a sort that brings zero comment posts (IE meaning unanswered), to the top.

The reputation and “accepted answer” features from SO are a lot less important than threaded comments can be, especially since questions often need new answers every year, making the “accepted answer” pointless.

sabreW4K3,
@sabreW4K3@lazysoci.al avatar

Default sort would be great. Especially for sports events. But I don’t want Lemmy to become an answer repository, keep it as a link aggregator

Die4Ever, (edited )
@Die4Ever@programming.dev avatar

Especially with Lemmy getting support for plugins soon, I don’t see the need for making a new platform

A new sorting method for “unanswered” is a cool idea. I’m not sure if it’s quite as simple as just finding posts with 0 comments, because people can put additional questions in the comments but it’s still unanswered. Also how do you sort them for posts with the same number of comments/answers. But this is definitely something that a plugin could handle.

I saw someone else suggested we could just put “[unanswered]” in the title and then edit the title to “[answered]”

kbal, in Bluesky Is Building The Decentralized Social Media Jack Dorsey Wants, Even If He Doesn’t Realize It
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

Apparently then, the decentralized social media network Jack wants is one that's still almost completely centralized.

kbal,
@kbal@fedia.io avatar

Arguing against that, of course, is nostr being out there at the opposite extreme where it appears to have more different kinds of client software than it has users.

baduhai, (edited ) in Bluesky Is Building The Decentralized Social Media Jack Dorsey Wants, Even If He Doesn’t Realize It

Eh, bluesky is another federated solution, that turned out to be quite similar to activitypub. Perhaps not in implementation, but in user experience. And after having used activitypub for quite a while, I don’t think it is the solution to decentralised social media.

I’ve been really enjoying nostr, even though it doesn’t have the content or user base of the fediverse just yet.

DaseinPickle, in Ideas to build a federated StackExchange alternative

How could anybody stop the AI robbers from stealing content from the fediverse?

delirious_owl,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Why does that matter? The content is licensed CC BY-SA. The point here is to prevent AI answers.

DaseinPickle,

It seems to matter for the users at Stack Overflow. And why should anybody give anything for free to the crooks in Silicon Valley. All they do is create technology designed to extract value out of people and give as little as possible back.

delirious_owl,
@delirious_owl@discuss.online avatar

Because that’s the nature of FOSS. The good news is, if they trained on you data that’s licensed CC BY-SA (as all SO content is), then you can request their source code, and they legally must provide it.

This is a good thing.

lemmyreader,

robots.txt may help : neil-clarke.com/block-the-bots-that-feed-ai-model… or blocking by IP addresses.

velox_vulnus,

No, it can’t be. I may be using robots.txt on, say, lemmy.ml, but those posts will still be broadcasted on lemmy.world, or hexbear.net.

velox_vulnus,
  1. In the Fediverse, everyone gets access to the data. However, if privacy is what’s bugging you, then you’re free to use a forum - which is going to be archived by someone on the internet, so in a way, the stuff you post on the internet is not going to be private - there’s nothing that can be done about it, except for going under a pseudonym. However, the same cannot be said for Stack Exchange. Will they let you parse their site for free, when Reddit and other private platforms are charging money for the same? They’re using 16 years worth of free volunteer work to make lots of bucks.
  2. In their quest for integrating AI, now the new site will vomit verbal diarrhea. Humans don’t do that. These language models are absolutely terrible in their tasks. They can’t replace humans, at least for now, we know it.
  3. Earlier, the site was free, and their means of earning was through some sort of enterprise solution, but now that they’re going to add AI, it is going to be very resource-intensive. Who is paying for all of that? We have to, from our own pockets, for low quality answers, with no respect to the question asked by the user? Yeah, welcome to paywall 2.0!
  4. Their lofy model will use answers from 2010s to train their data, most of which isn’t applicable in today’s time. Will you be using X11 configs for Wayland on Linux? Or GTK+ solutions for GTK4?
DaseinPickle,

It’s not about privacy. It’s about AI companies stealing other peoples work and knowledge and profiting. Like what they did with artists. And I think that’s bothering a lot of people. It’s kind of sad that we cannot exchange information with each other for free, without some Silicon Valley crooks taking advantage and trying to convert other people’s good will into profit.

These LLMs are also polluting the web with AI junk and slop. The web is absolutely tainted with shitty ChatGPT text and images, making it harder and harder to find authentic information. I think a lot of people don’t want to contribute with that.

Dirk, in Bluesky Is Building The Decentralized Social Media Jack Dorsey Wants, Even If He Doesn’t Realize It
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Like Mastodon, but commercialized?

thoralf, in You can now bridge Fediverse and Bluesky Accounts!
@thoralf@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I would prefer to let Bluesky die silently instead of throwing a life line.

electricprism,

I agree, however in the same spirit of email I would be pissed if Gmail blocked AOL or Yahoo suddenly someday “coz reasons” – I prefer to stick to the ‘federate all the things’ plan – let the baddies fail because they suck

JoYo,
@JoYo@lemmy.ml avatar

i have no problem with the concept of more than one website.

i vote no on federate all the things.

makeawishkid,

Lol, what makes you think it’s dying? The MAU numbers are similar to mastodon, and a lot of the science community has shifted there (for ease of use compared to masto).

Corgana, (edited )
@Corgana@startrek.website avatar

I have trouble believing that last bit. My Mastodon feed is always extremely full of scientists and Mastodon has almost 3x the active users that BlueSky does.

guts, in Jack Dorsey says he quit Bluesky because it was becoming another Twitter

Jack is mostly on Nostr, good thing Nostr is more independent to Jack influence.

  • All
  • Subscribed
  • Moderated
  • Favorites
  • fediverse@lemmy.ml
  • DreamBathrooms
  • magazineikmin
  • ngwrru68w68
  • mdbf
  • rosin
  • Youngstown
  • vwfavf
  • slotface
  • modclub
  • khanakhh
  • cubers
  • kavyap
  • thenastyranch
  • PowerRangers
  • provamag3
  • everett
  • Durango
  • InstantRegret
  • osvaldo12
  • tester
  • Leos
  • tacticalgear
  • ethstaker
  • GTA5RPClips
  • normalnudes
  • anitta
  • cisconetworking
  • megavids
  • All magazines