sundogplanets,
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In addition to the bazillionty things I said I would do this week, I need to get my astrobiology students to pick their final project topics: they have to evaluate a work of scifi on the plausibility of its aliens using what they learned from my astrobiology course.

I've asked here before, but I'll ask again: what are some scifi works that have really great aliens and/or alien worlds?

My list so far:

kechpaja,
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@sundogplanets Octavia Butler's Lilith's Brood should also be on this list, as should George R. R. Martin's Nightflyers (the story at least — I know nothing about the Netflix filmification).

brie,

@sundogplanets Peter Watts Blindsight. Very interesting take, and their biology is discussed in afterword – the author is a (marine) biologist. As a bonus, there are vampires also ;)

Not translated to English, but Dukaj's Different Chants involves aliens so alien, that nothing can be reliably told about them, as the logic and physics themselves bend at the border of their influence. And the in-novel world is based on ancient Greek theories: four elements (plus aether), geocentric....

Trifolium,
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@sundogplanets

The Hitchhiker’s Guide series by Douglas Adams might be too wild? There are a few aliens, anyway...

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Douglas-Adams

bkahn,
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@sundogplanets

Good project but this part isn't crystal clear:

... they have to evaluate a work of scifi on the plausibility of its aliens using what they learned from my astrobiology course."

Do you mean 'what the aliens have learned from your course'? or 'how plausible the aliens in the story are' based on what your students have learned from the course?

I assume the 2nd option, but I really like the idea of aliens in your classroom. If that's the case, please offer the class online!

lufthans,
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@sundogplanets CJ Cherry's Chanur novels with the Hani as main characters. The methane breathers could be fun

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chanur_novels

Nausicaä from Hayao Miyazaki has large insect life and deadlyish forests

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nausica%C3%A4_of_the_Valley_of_the_Wind_(disambiguation)

As I recall Alan Dean Foster's Midworld is largely a tour of alien life

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midworld

I think his Sentenced to Prism also had a lot of biology to choose from, including both silicon and carbon based life

ShadSterling, (edited )

@sundogplanets I recall there being a wide variety of aliens in each of Piers Anthony’s “Cluster” series, Harry Harrison’s “Stainless Steel Rat” series, and Robert Asprin’s “Phule’s Company” series. Also the antagonists in Star Trek Discovery season 4 were more interesting than the usual Star Trek aliens

mastodonmigration,
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@sundogplanets

All of CJ Cherryh. Favorites include Chanur series, Downbelow Station, Cyteen, 40,000 In Gehenna, Voyager in Night

PamelaBarroway,
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@sundogplanets

Interstellar (film)
The Martian (book and film)
Foundation series by Isaac Asimov

sundogplanets,
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@PamelaBarroway All great scifi, not much description of aliens though (does Foundation get into aliens? I can't remember...)

stelloctahedron,

@sundogplanets I appreciated the aliens in Eifelheim (a bit of a medievalist-inclined sci-fi).

WmShakesp3are,
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@sundogplanets a few Vonnegut might fit, Sirens of Titan and Hocus Pocus come to mind.

GregorDeBalzac,
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@sundogplanets

I will add a 3rd vote for "The Gods Themselves" and a 2nd for "Nightfall" also by Asimov.

sundogplanets,
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@GregorDeBalzac I loved the first half of nightfall, and would probably love the short story. The second half of the novel was absolutely depressing nightmarish stuff.

armb,

@sundogplanets Mission of Gravity-Hal Clement (and many of Clement's other works).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Cohen_(biologist)#Other_activities#Other_activities)

Beeks,
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@sundogplanets I have to say Flatland as it's one of my favorite books though I'm not sure I'd classify the aliens as great; some of them are quite 1 dimensional.

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sundogplanets,
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@Beeks I saw it and appreciated it, despite the lack of depth :)

tsturm,
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@sundogplanets @gereon Project Hail Mary by Andy Weir is a very recent book with a pretty fascinating alien encounter.

Otherwise, seconding A Fire Upon The Deep. The hive mind aliens in that one are amazing.

sundogplanets,
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@tsturm @gereon Got Hail Mary in my list already - love that book

JamesGleick,
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@sundogplanets @dangillmor Embassytown, China Miéville. Surprised no one’s mentioned it. Can’t be topped for astrobiology (“really great aliens”).

Rycaut,
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@sundogplanets Enemy Mine by Barry B Longyear is a Hugo award winning novella that would probably be a good fit.

See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemy_Mine_(novella)

bobthomson70,
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@sundogplanets one I read a long time ago - https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3920475-the-eye-of-the-queen The Eye of the Queen, Phillip Mann.

LaNaehForaday,

@sundogplanets
Stranger in a Strange Land

irenes,

@sundogplanets ... this is a really good question, and we feel like we were once people who would have had a dozen answers to it off the top of our head. today we're at a place in life where it just all feels so incredibly silly and we don't actually LIKE any of those books, so, hmm...

Dragon's Egg, by Robert Forward, certainly had a unique species that deserves to be mentioned in this context. the writing felt pretty flat.

irenes,

@sundogplanets A Fire Upon the Deep, by Vernor Vinge, has aliens that do distributed computing with their organic bodies. That's pretty cool.

None of these stories are really trying for plausibility, only for the illusion of it, but that's fine, that's a thing students can assess for themselves.

sundogplanets,
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Contact-Sagan (book & movie)
The 3 Body Problem-Liu
To be Taught if Fortunate-Chambers
Old Man's War-Scalzi
Rendezvous with Rama-Clarke
Andromeda Strain-Crichton
Alien (movie)
Project Hail Mary-Weir
Leviathan Wakes-Corey
The Expanse season 1 (show)
Arrival (movie)
Dune-Herbert (book & movie)
The Long Way to a Small Angry Planet-Chambers
Childhood's End-Clarke
Ender's Game-Card
Ammonite-Griffith
All Systems Red-Wells
The Sparrow-Russel
Fuzzy Nation-Scalzi
Left Hand of Darkness-Le Guin

hl,
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@sundogplanets
Children of Time - Tchaikovsky
War of the Worlds - Wells

glitzersachen,

@sundogplanets
Stanislaw Lem,

  • Fiasco
  • His master's voice
  • Solaris
  • The Invincible
glitzersachen,

@sundogplanets

  • Eden (also Lem)

Though I feel that Eden is less on biology, than sociology.

In the same sense it might be said that "Fiasco" is less about the Aliens, but rather about human psychology. Though the lifeform is interesting: Sessile, but intelligent. It's technological system informed by this difference, humans don't understand it (interpreting this through a human perspective) and more or less accidentally destroy the alien civilisation.

weilawei,
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@glitzersachen Beat me to it. What an author.

flyhigh,

@glitzersachen "Solaris, " the film made in Soviet Russia, is very, very good.

glitzersachen,

@flyhigh

Not to forget this other movie by Tarkowski: Stalker ;-).

dangillmor,
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@sundogplanets Can aliens be earth people on other planets? (Expanse season 1)

steely_glint,
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@sundogplanets

Semiosis by Sue Burke
Player of Games by Ian M Banks

Both have non-obvious aliens.

steely_glint,
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@sundogplanets Oh and
A half-built garden - by Ruthanna Emrys

  • I'll stop there.
HeNeArXn,
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@steely_glint @sundogplanets Also Ian M Banks: The Algebraist

carlysagan,
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@sundogplanets Europa Report! (fave alien movie by far) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XhdRYk1Y8VA

sundogplanets,
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@carlysagan thanks for this one! I totally missed it somehow...

WTL,
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@sundogplanets The only one that pops into my mind is Calculating God by Robert J Sawyer

aerique,
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@WTL @sundogplanets Dragon's Egg by the same author!

edit: sorry, it's by Robert L. Forward

WTL,
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@aerique @sundogplanets Had me scratching my head for a minute there. 🤣👍🏻

vicgrinberg,
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@sundogplanets

Adding to the things that have already been mentioned:

Greg Egan's "Permutation City" and "Schild's Ladder" (though both play with laws of physics so may not fit your purpose)
Sheri S. Tepper "Grass"

(And you are perhaps aware of the disclaimer Card's work should come with - if not just wanted to mention it, even though it's a great readable book...)

mattkenworthy,
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@vicgrinberg @sundogplanets I would add "Blindsight" by Alan Watts. I think I've reread it over two dozen times, because the sci fi and information density is just so great, and the aliens are the most inventive I've read so far. And once you work out what their point of view is.... most excellent. Note that it has a reference section at the back as he bases a LOT of the science on real world stuff. https://rifters.com/real/Blindsight.htm

vicgrinberg,
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@mattkenworthy @sundogplanets Oooh, nice! I haven't read this one! Onto my reading list with it...

sundogplanets,
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@vicgrinberg yeah... thanks for the disclaimer reminder...

skry,
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albertcardona,
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albertcardona,
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@sundogplanets

As for alien worlds, reminds me of Joan Slonczewski's novels:

  • A door into ocean
  • The brain plague

... which are rich and fascinating.

simon_brooke,
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@sundogplanets Surface Detail – Iain M Banks

Lots going on there.

shafik,
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@sundogplanets

"3001" while not as well written as the previous books had some interesting stuff about Europans

"A Fire Upon the Deep" can be pretty wild with some of the concepts but maybe worth considering

"Dr Who" has endless content to take from and some of it really excellent

Sobieck,
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Ian M Banks Culture series had a lot of good and interesting aliens.

@sundogplanets

georgramer,
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@sundogplanets

Encounter with Tiber - Buzz Aldrin and John Barnes

markmalowany,
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@sundogplanets Europa Report

jdlbt,
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@sundogplanets
A Desolation Called Peace - Arkady Martine

AstroMigration,

@jdlbt @sundogplanets

Fantastic book! And so is the first book A Memory Called Empire. Such smart beautiful writing!

sundogplanets,
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@jdlbt Yeah, I really liked that one! But much more on sociology of aliens than biology

AstroMigration,

@sundogplanets

Vernor Vinge Zones of Thought series has really good aliens: A Fire Upon The Deep (1992),
A Deepness in the Sky (1999)

sundogplanets,
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Thanks for all the suggestions! I have added lots to my own future reading list :)

esnyder,
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@sundogplanets I missed this question earlier and just want to shout out one of my all time favorite first contact books: Constellation Games by Leonard Richardson.

femme_mal,
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@sundogplanets Want to add two works of historical note, among the earliest sci-fi written:

True Story by Lucian of Samosata (2 CE)

https://www.thecollector.com/lucian-true-story-ancient-sci-fi/

The Blazing World by Margaret Cavendish (1666)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blazing_World

Worth considering how our understanding of both space travel and extra terrestrial life have changed with science and how they may have shrunk (considering Cavendish's work posits a portal or passage to another world).

sundogplanets,
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@femme_mal COOL thank you!

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