@NanoRaptor as an European I always thought that "quiet quitting" meant "do the bare minimum for not getting fired". I was surprised when I realized that American colleagues defined it as "do your job but without enthusiasm", this is what I just called "working"
@lorentz@NanoRaptor FWIW: It is "As a European" not "an". I know it doesn't make sense. Genuinely trying to be helpful not snide, grammar nazi whatever. Technically it is a consonant sound. Except when it is "an hospital".
(Prego, in cambio, sei libero di correggere il mio italiano, che lascia tanto a desiderare - e che tu lo parli).
@NanoRaptor Fully agree with the comments on the "Quiet Quitters" post. You absolutely don't owe your employer more than the contracted effort, unless they offer more money.
But at school "coasting" is a danger sign. Eventually you hit the point where coasting doesn't work any more, and you don't have the study skills or habits. Bright teenagers often flame out at this point.
@NanoRaptor The thing I put most effort into in high school was the Excel sheet that I entered all my grades in and would calculate what the minimum grade per subject was I could get on the next test to still pass the year lol
@NanoRaptor This is the report card of a gifted student in an inappropriate educational environment. Possibly also with ADHD. As you rightly infer, the problem lies in the environment.
@GinevraCat Spot on. I was told I was gifted, which changed little but the expectations piled on me, and just diagnosed in March this year as ADHD 37 years later.
@NanoRaptor I recognise it both from my childhood and my students. I was only diagnosed at 44. ☹️. Still pissed off about how much self loathing I could have avoided.
@GinevraCat I was lucky enough to have some kind of personal epiphany about the source of my depression and cleared that out a decade and a half back - but solidly in a stage of ... not quite sure what to describe it at. A kind of mourning for lost chances due to the one single simple thing.
@NanoRaptor i tried to find that article but wasn't able to. (other articles on that site about quiet quitting, just not that one.) do you happen to have a link to it? (i wonder if they were shamed into taking it down.) i think it gets at something key about some employers' unhealthy expectations
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It boils down for me to who has a say on what's important. We shouldn't get used to other people deciding what's important for us. When I view the effort from an economic perspective, especially in school, the sweet spot ought to be B or rather C grades 😇
@NanoRaptor "You're doing well, following the assignments but you could always be doing more. You won't benefit from the extra work but the world needs pliant overachievers."
@ScruffyJunco@acf@NanoRaptor@oliof I still remember primary 1 - given a colouring in exercise - there was an elephant and a cat. I coloured them in as rainbows - I was punished because the elephant should be grey and the cat ginger. I was 5 too...
@NanoRaptor If only managers and teachers would put as much effort into connecting their charges with meaningful experience instead of bitching afterward that they’re getting mere competence on the meaningless crap.
@mjgardner Yes! To my mind, a good manager would have recognised why they feel something is off, and figured out that maybe they expect more from the worker than they've already communicated, and the connection & discussion should have already happened beforehand.
@NanoRaptor Nobody talks about the layers of middle management that quietly quit long ago and are just acting as an org chart buffer between the C suite and the riff-raff
@NanoRaptor I don’t think an employer is entitled to one’s best, most driven work – but it is the responsibility of teachers to draw that work out. A teacher doesn’t gain more profit from a student showing exceptional work – they get to then help the student refine that kind of work rather than work at the level of checking boxes.
@ehler@NanoRaptor what if the student is more interested in other activities and would rather be done with the subject you teach as soon as the class ends, so as to focus their time and energy on those other things?
@RL_Dane@NanoRaptor how? Ive read it and it just seems shes just not interested in English. Which as a teacher if your student isn't invested and refuses to try their best than its a valid concern
@Hunterrules0_o@RL_Dane@NanoRaptor People, even children, are allowed not to be interested in stuff. Even if that causes concern for other people in positions of authority.
@indigoparadox There's probably a bunch to unpack but you touch on the main one. Life isn't, in total, about just doing what you're asked to - in total that is, but a workplace for the most is. It's a trade of promises.
And we're more than that! So much of life isn't that trade, it's art and love and aid, and entertainment and caring and joy and despair and we get to give all we can to those when we need, when we care to!
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