drahardja, to TeslaMotors
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I think Toyota was right all along.

It’s an unpopular opinion among EV purists, but I think hybrids will reduce a lot more carbon emissions than BEVs, for the simple reason that way more people can switch. Even without access to charging outlets, hybrids are far more efficient thanks to their regenerative braking. With access to outlets, they are as good as EVs within their electric range, which will account for most of the daily commutes of their owners, and all with far smaller batteries and better costs of ownership than BEVs.

The way to eliminate emissions due to personal transportation is not to put people in BEVs. It’s to eliminate commutes and massively invest in (electrified) public transportation.

“Hybrid vs. Electric Cars: Why Hybrids Make More Sense”

https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/hybrid-vs-electric-why-hybrids-make-more-sense/

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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It is only a matter of time before the mirage that is Tesla gets revealed. This is not a well-run company, nor is it really profitable (cashflow is minus $2.5 billion!).

It is a meme-stock, driven by hype and the BEV fad. It mainly sells cars for rich people to virtue signal. And it needs copious amounts of government subsidies and various credits on top of that. It's eventual downfall will reveal the ugly truth about BEVs.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/23/24134282/tesla-earnings-q1-2024-profit-demand-elon-musk

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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Reminder that BEV sales are being propped up by dramatic price cuts. Real demand has actually dropped significantly. At some point, selling at a loss will come to an end. Things can and will get much worse for the BEV market. Many are underestimating how rapid the fall will be.

https://www.globalfleet.com/en/manufacturers/global/features/western-ev-market-clings-price-cuts-meet-falling-customer-demand

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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The BEV market is still plunging. This will continue until people realize that BEVs are a terrible idea and not suited for most people. Eventually, everyone who wants will have one, and sales will drop to negligible amounts. Any talk of making transportation 100% green will require alternatives. BEVs have already failed at this goal.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Energy-General/Europes-Love-Affair-with-Electric-Cars-Wanes-as-Sales-Plunge.html

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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BEVs are insanely difficult to put out once they catch on fire. And they do catch on fire at a substantial rate. BEV fanatics are simply gaslighting us by claiming otherwise.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/04/lucid-air-burns-to-the-ground-after-driver-swerved-and-hit-a-pole/

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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Reminder that the average BEV in the US has received approximately $50k in subsidies and regulatory credits. This is very close to simply giving them away for free.

As a result, the BEV market is entirely artificial. Real demand is likely a tiny fraction of what we see now.

It will be a repeat of diesel or ethanol cars, which also were green fads that only existed due to government intervention.

https://www.heritage.org/government-regulation/commentary/taxpayers-are-subsidizing-rich-electric-vehicle-owners-the-tune

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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EVs Are Still Too Expensive For Buyers, Despite Huge Discounts

https://jalopnik.com/evs-are-still-too-expensive-for-buyers-despite-huge-di-1851419290

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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We are flooded with BEVs that few people want. More sign that the BEV fad is coming to an end. In the end, it is just a capitalistic system pretending to be green, and works by forcing consumers and governments to pay for it all. The system itself can only operate by overproducing and has no regard for the environment.

https://jalopnik.com/unsold-chinese-evs-are-piling-up-at-ports-1851415290

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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Yes, and the downfall of Tesla will herald the downfall of the BEV as a serious transportation idea. Largely because it never was a serious transportation idea. It is nothing more than a way for rich people to virtue signal their pretend greenness. Take that away, and the subsidies along with it, and BEVs will be rapidly abandoned by society.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/16/climate/has-tesla-peaked.html

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Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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The only reason why BEVs exist in significant numbers at all is due to truly vast amounts of subsidies. I don't think people fully realize how much it is. It's more than any other technology by a huge margin.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/04/byd-said-to-have-received-billions-in-subsidies-from-chinese-government/

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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Polestar, Fisker, Lucid, Rivian, etc., they're all in the same boat. They're making expensive BEVs in a world that is losing interest in this fad. Eventually, probably all of them will shut down or shift to some other business.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ev-maker-polestar-posts-40-slump-q1-deliveries-2024-04-11/

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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The used market proves it: BEVs are not that much in demand. Most of them gimmicky cars that rapidly depreciates in value. Car companies should have pursued hybrids instead, which actually hold their value.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/04/want-a-great-deal-on-a-lightly-used-vehicle-consider-an-ev/

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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Reminder that the BEV fad is slowly running out of steam. The business model is to sell cheaply made cars are very high prices. Unfortunately, virtue signaling only gets you so far. At some point, this becomes a product in retreat. Either everyone plans on losing money forever, or it stops being a significant segment of the market.

https://jalopnik.com/tesla-drastically-cuts-model-y-prices-because-inventory-1851390961

thejapantimes, to environment
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Despite billions of dollars of investment, hydrogen cars in the U.S. are disappearing in the rearview mirror, overtaken by battery-electric models and stalled by fuel shortages and soaring prices. https://www.japantimes.co.jp/environment/2024/04/06/energy/hydrogen-vehicle-hurdles/

Hypx,
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@thejapantimes It costs money to build infrastructure. People are being short-sighted about this subject. It mirrors past demonization of green energy, such as wind or solar energy when they were expensive.

As a result, history is filled with temporary solutions that ultimate don't scale. Ethanol and diesel cars are the most noteworthy of them in the past. BEVs are the current idea that will fail.

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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Reminder that BEVs are very flammable. The notion that we have solved this problem, or that it doesn't exist, is blatant gaslighting. Facts, not wishful thinking, tells us that BEVs can burn violently.

https://www.cbsnews.com/sanfrancisco/news/lucid-motors-hq-fire-newark-prototype-destroyed-2-other-electric-vehicles-damaged/

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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Tesla, alongside most of the rest of the BEV industry, is headed for disaster. People simply don't want BEVs, and BEVs aren't a serious solution to climate change. The whole thing is an expensive distraction and reality is start to knock on the door.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/why-teslas-car-deliveries-were-a-disaster-for-elon-musk.html

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mackaj,
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@deewani

If you're interested in learning about how car battery safety has evolved, then I'd highly recommend watching this video. They also cover the differences in quality and construction standards between the batteries for an ebike vs a car.

https://youtu.be/tcJrUrp_Ygs?si=IVBtexZWfQUaH8Dv

@ai6yr @CStamp

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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Reminder: People who are pathologically in favor of BEVs over all other ideas, to the point where they deny they exist, are outright climate change deniers. It is impossible to be an environmentalism while having such narrow, and usually self-serving, viewpoint.

We must be aware that many people pretending to be environmentalists are in fact just trolls or stooges. The biggest peddlers of greenwashing over serious climate policies.

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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Reminder that BEVs are still a fad. The will eventually drop out of the market, despite all of the hype. People will want normal cars, and if ICE cars are to be replaced, it will be something that work identically to ICE cars.

https://www.motor1.com/news/714374/fiat-500e-gas-engine/

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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And what's really damning is that they had to dramatically cut prices just to hit this level! Real demand for BEVs has dramatically slowed down. We'd likely see a drop in sales if it weren't for huge across-the-board price cuts.

As I have been saying, BEVs are a fad. They are too expensive and too impractical to replace existing cars. The future of transportation must be something else.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-deliveries-face-hit-china-slowdown-soft-demand-2024-03-28/

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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BEVs are a fad, but BEV pick-up trucks are particularly ridiculous. This is likely heading to zero, and products like the F150 Lightning will eventually be scrapped.

https://www.autoblog.com/2024/03/28/ford-cuts-jobs-at-f-150-lightning-plant-in-dearborn-mi-as-ev-sales-slow/

Hypx, to TeslaMotors
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Reminder that li-ion battery recycling is an extremely difficult and currently unsolved problem. It is highly likely that nearly all li-ion batteries will be discarded as trash, not much different than what plastic recycling ended up as. The entire claim is an elaborate act of greenwashing. BEVs simply represent a new form of unsustainable resource dependency.

https://www.reuters.com/sustainability/li-cycle-cut-17-staff-amid-battery-recycling-growing-pains-2024-03-26/

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