Reddit refugee myself. I've not seen anyone mention Kbin there yet (it was someone on a lemmy instance that suggested it to me) so I'm not sure it'll experience the same influx.
While I can't say I agree with the political views of the lemmy devs (at least as described in this article, as I have no other reference point), I think that it shows one of the really cool things about the fediverse. So what if those guys over there are weirdos? I can take the ball they gave me and go play somewhere else with other people.
Yeah can't say i am on board with the hardcore tankie stuff but like you said that's a positive of the fediverse other instances can choose not to play with them. Been on lemmy only for a few days but so far i haven't seen anything terrible, no more than the shit popping up on reddit now lol.
All the really obnoxious Tankie stuff seems to be contained to Lemmygrad, at least. I'm glad they had the foresight to cordon it off from their showcase instance.
However, Kbin maps upvotes to boosts, and displays “favourites” (which include Lemmy upvotes) separately.
Does anyone know if that applies for both threads and replies? I think it make some sense for threads. Would get a bit annoying though if you followed some kbin account on mastodon or similar and every single upvote for every single reply gets boosted.
It applies to both for now. I opened a thread about this yesterday and as Kichae said, it's something the dev is experimenting with and is open to discussing. They also helpfully shared a roundup of links to past discussions on this topic.
For now I've created a separate Fediverse account for my Kbin activity (this one!) which seems to be what most people are doing on Lemmy anyway, but I agree it'll be nice to change Kbin's behavior so it's a less jarring experience for followers on other Fediverse apps.
Is there any plans to expand the OAuth support outside of the 3 providers that are currently set up? Looking at the source, it seems like each has it's own configuration which pulls in things like the user's avatar and whatnot. It would be nice if generic OAuth was supported.
Because they're both part of the Fediverse, Lemmy and Kbin do federate with each other. You can follow Lemmy "communities" in Kbin, and Kbin "magazines" in Lemmy, and I believe other Fediverse groups (like Frendica groups) also federate.
I've been leaning into this from Kbin, as a way of dipping into communities on Beehaw and other Lemmy instances while keeping my distance from Lemmy's devs.
I have one concern. As we're seeing with Reddit, it's a huge effort to move internet communities. If Lemmy-the-app becomes untenable even for more reasonably admin'd instances, then the most obvious solution won't be to fork Lemmy (a huge undertaking) but rather to move to an app that's maintained by more reasonable people. That's probably going to involve a messy migration, some data loss, some loss of community, and some dead links.
I'll keep using Kbin as a way of tapping into existing communities, but when it comes to building new ones I'd much rather see it done on kbin.social or other Fediverse instances where there's no long-term dependency on Lemmy's devs.
The linked article summarizes the problems in the paragraph starting "I've been aware of Lemmy for a long time". For an alternative view: the Fedi.Tips account on Mastodon – typically a cheerleader for all apps of the FediVerse – shared some more pointed words about them in this thread and reiterated the warning just yesterday after noticing the Lemmy team's successful recruitment campaign on Reddit.
I was one of the people they recruited, and ran into problems myself only after signing up at lemmy.ml and being surprised by the amount of CCP propaganda posted there. At first I thought it was strange that I was being downvoted for pointing it out, and that the devs (also admins of that instance) ignored/downvoted me when I flagged the issue for their attention. After researching a bit, I found that Lemmy's basically developed and maintained by two people, both of whom seem to be westerners fetishizing Mao Zedong Thought – literally to the point of writing lengthy apologetics for the CCP's human rights abuses including the Uyghur genocide.
They're clearly skilled engineers, but I can't trust or support them, and relying on instance of Lemmy means I'd have to do both.
Absolutely. The details do seem to surprise people, but I think that's because they're often elided in euphemistic summaries and don't stand out in someone's profile history the way that trolling and right-wing invective often do.
It's not like they're all-caps yelling about gas ovens, they're just politely welcoming people into their instance and occasionally upvoting or suggesting that wellactually everything's fine in XinJiang and it's racist to believe Uyghurs who say otherwise, etc.
@Kierunkowy74 That interesting, especially that the most active fediverse instance is misskey.io -- ok, interesting because I even didn't know about its existence, only about the software.
Gruber's take in that link is curious: does Bluesky lack the concept of defederation (yikes) or is he just assuming that even though Bluesky markets itself as "decentralized" almost no one will actually use it that way?
My hunch is the latter, and that he's intuiting what's going to be an important differentiator between Fediverse apps and their diversity of instances vs. how the AT Protocol is likely to be used in practice: as a shuttle between walled gardens.
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Sorry for the noob question. Whats the difference between kbin and lemmy? is it a fork? Im beginning to lose track the deeper I go into the fediverse.
I just took a quick look at it. It looks like a local classifieds marketplace. Firstly, it has a very rich domain that requires a significant time investment and a legal department because, from what I understand, financial transactions are involved. Secondly, I believe that achieving such a high level of quality is not possible without excessive user tracking. It's going to be challenging.
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