TwoFace211, Can I comment here from a different instance?
TwoFace211, Can I comment here from a different instance?
CynicalStoic, Should be able to if the different instance federates with this one
PabloDiscobar, You must be completely crazy to give away your medical information, because sooner or later someone is going to sell your data to an insurance company near you and your next contract will cost you a fortune. You will never know why, who or when, but your insurance company will know everything about your medical situation before making you an offer.
karrbs, Will not be touching that app with a 10ft pole but now I won't even consider it in the slightest.
Eggyhead,
- User content
- Other data
As much as it already frustrates me how much they surveil their own users, these two concern me personally. I guarantee meta will feel 100% entitled to not only their own users’ content, but that of federated posters as well. Without any kind of privacy guarantee as a federated contributor, I don’t think Meta should federated with just yet.
ey, So Google was really embracing the federation. How cool was that? It meant that, suddenly, every single Gmail user became an XMPP user. This could only be good for XMPP, right? I was ecstatic.
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First of all, despites collaborating to develop the XMPP standard, Google was doing its own closed implementation that nobody could review. It turns out they were not always respecting the protocol they were developing.
Federation was sometimes broken: for hours or days, there would not be communications possible between Google and regular XMPP servers. The XMPP community became watchers and debuggers of Google’s servers, posting irregularities and downtime
And because there were far more Google talk users than "true XMPP" users, there was little room for "not caring about Google talk users"
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In 2013, Google realised that most XMPP interactions were between Google Talk users anyway. They didn’t care about respecting a protocol they were not 100% in control. So they pulled the plug and announced they would not be federated anymore.
As expected, no Google user bated an eye. In fact, none of them realised. At worst, some of their contacts became offline. That was all. But for the XMPP federation, it was like the majority of users suddenly disappeared. Even XMPP die hard fanatics, like your servitor, had to create Google accounts to keep contact with friends. Remember: for them, we were simply offline. It was our fault.
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
Robtheverb13, Nothing would get me to delete my account quicker than federating with a Meta instance.
dan, kbin probably federates with over 1000 other instances by this point. Would you really review ownership of each one of them?
Eggyhead, You’re right. Reviewing ownership of all instances might be a bit unreasonable.
How about we just focus on the ones that stand out for things such as mass surveillance, conducting social experiments on their users, taking over markets, buying out competition, and influence upon genocidal political movements?
Does that seem a little more manageable?
Robtheverb13, You put it more eloquently than I could. @dan does bring up good points. We can’t monitor everything. But Meta is sort of a whale in a pond of goldfish. It stands out. And I personally don’t think should be given any benefit of the doubt based on their history.
anathema_device, @wrath@kbin.social Fuck that for a game of soldiers
LollerCorleone,
soft_frog, I’m pretty sure they just requested every single permission. There’s no good reason they need access to your Health data to make an app like this, and why the hell did Apple’s app review allow that to fly?!
0xtero, Pretty sure all their products do that by default. That's their entire business model.
LollerCorleone, They need it if they want to make more money by selling granular data of their users.
dan, Companies like Facebook and Google don’t sell user data. This is a common misconception that people keep repeating. Logically it doesn’t make sense: The data is what makes the company valuable, so they’re not going to give that away! If they did, Facebook would just buy Google’s data (and vice versa) and neither would have a competitive advantage any more.
Instead, they let advertisers target people based on data. For example, an advertiser can specify that their ad should be visible to people aged 20-25 that like computers and live in Los Angeles. You can access Facebook and Google’s ad management products and run your own ads, and see exactly the same system and data that advertisers see.
LollerCorleone, Tomato tomato
libraewolf, No not really imo, because selling localised advertising instead of the data itself means the advertisers are just as chained to the big platforms as the users. That’s the whole reason these platforms stay alive, because they keep both parties ‘hostage’
LollerCorleone, In both cases, the users are being commodified. I don't really care about what is good for the advertisers.
manwe, It was a hard pass before and even more so now.
Kill_joy, Defed from anything they touch. Quarantine the meta virus. Ezpz
sudo, “i am an instance admin/mod on the fediverse. by signing this pact, i hereby agree to block any instances owned by meta should they pop up on the fediverse. project92 is a real and serious threat to the health and longevity of fedi and must be fought back against at every possible opportunity”
PabloDiscobar, Meta won't federate anyone. They don't want to host illegal content on their servers, that would be an absolute PR disaster for them. And this is what will happen if they federate with a random instance. Even clean instances will want to play tricks on Meta if federated.
They are the prototype of the mono instance federation. They want control. They want to attract the people leaving Twitter. I don't think they care about us, what they want to avoid is that our instances become too big and start to offer an alternative.
gentleman, @wrath@kbin.social Defederate with any instance Meta has infected - including any instance at Mastodon who thinks this is a good idea. I left FB years ago because of this and their boosting of the alt-right
Catch42, Sooo, literally everything. Are there even any categories left out? That seems pretty comprehensive.
Rhodin, Maybe, just maybe, they won’t collect your “permanent record” from grade school.
Chozo, Seems to be about what I'd expect from Meta, to be honest. I'm honestly surprised the list isn't even longer.
MysteriousSophon21, Everything else comes under “other data” lol.
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