"US officials are viewing the next few weeks as a critical period that will demonstrate #Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin #Netanyahu’s willingness to move to a lower-intensity phase of going after #Hamas in #Gaza."
"The topic of the war’s trajectory as been at the center of conversations between #American and Israeli officials, including a lengthy phone call between President Joe #Biden and #Netanyahu...
...last week that officials described as very direct and at times strained."
"#Israel's announcement that it starting to draw down its number of troops in #Gaza shows signs of the country's gradual shift to a lower-intensity phase of its war, a senior #UnitedStates official said Monday."
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@TruthSandwich
Israel is an occupier, the only "right" an occupier has is to expect resistance. Apparently, Hamas is that resistance, a resistance which is fully in Palestine's right (yes; right). Your Hasbara is not working anymore.
@TruthSandwich
I support self-defence, you support colonialism, displacement and genocide. I support the right of a people to rise, you support the murder of unarmed civilians, the killing of babies. October 7 started 75 years ago.
I support freedom, you support oppression; but I am the one that's being "morally abhorrent"? Care to repeat that after you've spat out the boot you use as a pacifier? :D
Hamas’ idea of “lower-intensity” is dousing their enemies - which includes Palestinians that don’t support Hamas - with only 87 octane gasoline before throwing the match on them.
@TruthSandwich Do you post this nonsensical crap just to bait people? Because that's #Trolling, dude. Hamas has existed since the 1980s. Palestinians have been slaughtered by Zionists, en masse, since 1948. You're ahistorical, #Troll.
States don't have rights. Humans have rights. States only have responsibilities.
It's a pretty common trope to say "states have the right to defend themselves" only when discussing the murder of citizens of the global South, and to say "people have a right not to be murdered" only when discussing the murder of citizens of the global North; but it's also a trope that marks the speaker out as a piece of shit who's retroactively constructing their view of morality in order to justify simple racism.
My brother in Christ, massacres of hundreds of people are carried out on a daily basis by states. There is no flag which is not drenched in the blood of its helpless victims. States don't prevent massacres any more than guns prevent mass shootings.
In the case of Israel during the present genocide, not only do the armed forces of Israel deliberately massacre thousands of innocents, but the state's financial and diplomatic arms exist to fund and equip that massacre, and its police and prisons exist to punish people who refuse to carry it out.
@notwithstanding Israelis need to be protected from their own army
"Several victims have already decided to publicly comment that the Israeli army fired at them out of control. A police investigation also confirmed that many of the October 7 victims were killed by the IDF"...
@TruthSandwich@NoFlexZone@Outpatientzero@HistoPol@Lastresponder@palestine calling for an end to ethnic cleansing and genocide is not the same as calling for genocide, you dumb dumb. Israel came to be by means of a murderous ethnic cleansing, research what the Nakba was. Calling for an end to an Apartheid State is not the same as calling for the murder of the inhabitants of said State, it means calling for the end of a political body.
This is true but not quite correct.
I listened to a podcast by @afelia some time ago. The concept of being a #Jew is 3 dimensional and complex and not limited to ethnicity. (I can't reproduce it correctly, though.)
I once took a deep dive going back 1000s of years (even vefore Ramses II) to see who really had a claim to the "Holy Land," before it was thus named.
It was always a contested region and a region of migrants from all directions.So, yes, "a settler state" in this meaning.
After WWII, the UN, representing all countries decided on the creation of the state...
...of #Israel. Hardly ever has a country had a sounder legal basis, I'd say.
The same holds true for the creation of a Palestinian state. This is still lacking more than half a century later. It is this imbalance and injustice that will lead to interminable strife in the region. To overcome it, leaders and men in the field will eventually face their responsibility for their #WarCrimes. ...
@TruthSandwich@HistoPol@afelia@NoFlexZone@Outpatientzero@Lastresponder@palestine A two-state solution requires keeping people like Netanyahu and Hamas away from power. An (apparently unimaginable) alternative to Netanyahu would prop up actors that would accept two states instead of sabotaging them in favour of Hamas. Psychopaths calling for ethnic cleansing are a tiny minority on both sides, but have both been given a disproportionate power by foreign economic and political interests.
Yes, that's true. Both Likud and Hamas have to lose power in order for there to be any hope of a lasting peace. Both want a single-state solution created by getting rid of the other state.
@TruthSandwich No it isnt. Saying JEWS have no right to exist is. There's a difference.
I'm Jewish. 3rd gen in US C Asian E Eu German, and if you say there's no difference between a doomsday cult's collaboration with the west to commit ethnic cleansing in their own cult's interest (and that cult's interest alone) and Judaism, YOU'RE THE ENEMY of Jews. YOU ENDANGER US. @argumento@NoFlexZone@Outpatientzero@HistoPol@Lastresponder@palestine
Truth Sandwich appears to be on his third or fourth mastodon instance since he began promoting genocide. He keeps wondering why he keeps getting banned as he seems to think killing innocent children, mothers, fathers and babies is normal. It’s not it’s evil.
Bluntly, the way that Hamas wants to get rid of the state of Israel is by killing its people. It's not offering to relocate them to sunny Florida at its own expense...
I repeat: you don't have a non-genocidal alternative. One was proposed by another person, but it was easy to shoot down because it depended upon a political impossibility.
that's easy, Israel can dismantle their apartheid state. grant reparations to the people they harmed and displaced, and make a genuine effort to repair the damage their far-right government has done. (which is functionally the same as dismantling the modern state of Israel, but maybe sounds less scary. this is similar to what landback and reparations would mean in the US, and colonizers tend to take it as a threat. as if making actual peace and genocide are the same thing.)
Israel has in the past attempted to broker a two-state solution. The Palestinians rejected each version, just as they rejected the original British plan.
Israel does not have all the power. It has very limited power and there are consequences to using any of it.
look everyone in this thread has already explained all of this stuff to you. please look into the details of these proposals and why they were rejected and why the talks did not resume. if Israel really wanted peace, they would be able to make a deal.
Israeli officials have made public statements calling the Palestinian people "sub-human" and overtly rejecting the idea of a two-state solution, I really don't think they are trying to make peace.
Israel's current government does not want peace. Gaza's doesn't, either. They each see a future where the other is wiped out and the entire area is theirs. There will be no peace until Likud and Hamas lose power.
Once they're gone, we can try again for a two-state solution.
I think at this point we are past a two state solution. There is no viable geography left from which to create it. We need a one state solution with full right of return for all palestinians within a fully democratic and secular government.
There's the entire Negev, which is sparsely populated and connects Gaza with the WB.
A one-state solution is a nonstarter because neither side is willing to coexist in a single state with the other. There is too much bad blood and spilled blood.
If that was true there would be no jewish settlements in the west bank. They may have talked like they wanted a solution, but their actions speak much stronger.
No it wouldn't. The solutions put forth did not give any land back to palestinians. It didn't even give them any more autonomy. They still would have been occupied with only the promise of discussions some time in the future.
If israel were serious they would not have built settlements in the first place. Their mere existence is evidence of Israel's insincerity .
@TruthSandwich to be perfectly honest, the only reason Israelis right to existence is brought up lately is to counter the voices calling for ceasefire and stopping the genocide. That should tell us something about it’s legitimacy.
That aside, I can loathe the Ethnostate of Zion without hating on Jews.
@TruthSandwich But it’s existence in a current form is the leading source of state coercion and apartheid, not even mentioning the bloody upbringing that was Nakbah.
@TruthSandwich I mean, Israel has killed more than 20 thousands of civilians. I find this absolutely unacceptable. If this is okay, so was the attack of Oct. 7. And I don’t think we should go that way.
But yeah, I will totally call that genocide. They have indiscriminately murdered thousands of innocent people without second thought. Perhaps Hamas would commit such atrocities, too. But it lacks the capacity to. On the other hand, Israel is absolutely capable of dealing death on unprecedented scale without any backlash and so it does.
Do not write genocide in quotes, it absolutely is. Because it’s hardly a retaliation against Hamas. It’s just state mandated terror.
@TruthSandwich We have proof Mossad have known and allowed the attack. But that aside, is this really fair to weigh a rabid dog fundamentalists and terrorists the same as institutionalised state officials? I think not.
Retaliating and murdering this amount of civilians (or any) is unacceptable. And so is defending Oct. 7. There isn’t much difference between the two.
A government is not a person; one part can know something without the whole being able to act upon it.
As for "20k civilians", this is false. There is no reason to think that these people are all civilians. In fact, Hamas is the primary target, so we should expect them to be overrepresented.
@TruthSandwich Okay, folks. By this logic we might as well just level Gaza to the ground and murder every single Palestinian. Acceptable casualties, is this right?
As I just said, Israel should minimize collateral damage and it's not clear that it's doing so. But, as I also just said, Hamas has gone out of its way to ensure high collateral damage, starting with the entire war it sparked.
The massacre had the foreseeable consequence, if not actual goal, of getting tens of thousands of Gazans killed. Hamas knew this. Hamas didn't care. Hamas killed these people through its actions, its choice. Israel has limited choice here.
I'll keep in mind you're a straw man, propaganda repeating Furby. What you fail to see is that it was YOU who was saying the current massacre in Gaza was justified by the violence on October 7.
It is very well-written, and it has important lessons for #Israelis, #Palestinians, other Arab states, and rest of the world. The end of the essay is a clincher. Do not skip it regardless of which side you support.
The timing is no coincidence. It took just 6 months after China-brokered deal for #Iran & #AxisOfResistance to gear up for wider war in #MiddleEast (not just #Gaza)
"The footage shows a terrorist presenting himself as a civilian while hiding an RPG-type rocket under a blanket in a civilian area. This strategy, and the use of Gazan citizens as human shields, has been a well-recorded tactic of Hamas."
I have at least two issues with this:
1). The source is hardly objective.
2.) Even if the above were true, and I do not doubt that, the point where ...
Dislocating the inhabitants of a whole region while oblitering all civilian infrastructure cannot be justified by self-defense anymore. The legal commentaries that I've heard agree with this stance that international law does not sanction the #IDF's brutal actions as ordered by the ult-right #Likud government.
In an (international)...
...order governed by "law and order" one party (#Hamas) committing savage atrocities (i.e. #HumanRightsAbuses, #terrorism, and #WarCrimes), does not legitimize the attacked party to commence an all-out war in the sense of committing crimes against civilians. Most of the #Gazans are non-combattant civilians.
Once the #IDF leaves and journalists do not become "collateral damage" on an enormous scale...
This is not one data point, and it is not peripheral. Every bit of evidence points in the same direction: Hamas has removed any distinction between civilian and military.
They committed war crimes by using hospitals, homes, and schools as military command centers and weapons caches. They dug deep tunnels under civilian areas and likewise used them for these purposes.
By design, there is no way to attack Hamas without hitting their human shields.
Given this, and the fact that they intentionally started this war, we can only conclude that Hamas wanted Palestinians to die en masse, to be martyred for their cause.
You don't get to cause something and then complain about it. If Hamas hadn't wanted these deaths, they wouldn't have happened.
Call me coldblooded or whatever, but I refuse to be manipulated by sociopathic Realpolitik.
"Hamas wanted Palestinians to die en masse, to be martyred for their cause."
I can actually agree with this. Seeing things from a strategic 🪖 perspective, your argument, alas, makes a lot of sense. The #Hamas' leadership might even want to force the more powerful #Hezbollah's leader in #Lebanon to join the fight against #Israel: at what point will the outcry in #Lebanese
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Hamas timed its massacre to to interfere with talks to normalization of relations between Israel and the Arabs.
The proximate goal was to trigger a war with massive civilian casualties in Gaza and play this forced tragedy for cheap PR wins against Israel.
From the POV of their Iranian masters, this aided Russia by distracting from its ongoing invasion, and it could be leveraged by their useful idiots on the American far left as an attack on quote-unquote #GenocideJoe to get Trump back into power.
Palestinians are dying so that Trump can take over America.
Likud had previously played Hamas against the PLA, and it was mindbogglingly incompetent in its choice to move soldiers away from the safely-contained Gaza to help "settlers" take over the WB.
Having said that, I have no reason to believe that Bibi is responsible for the massacre, as opposed to opportunistically using it to further his goal of expelling the Palestinians from Israel.
I don't expect you to agree with my wording, but I stand by those words.
Populism does not benefit from a sane world. It needs people to be frantic, panicked, and irrational. That's why it engages in the spreading of chaos, through what is often called sadopopulism.
Starting a war that lets the socialist populist blame Biden for "genocide" is a cynical, sociopathic act.
Quite the conspiracy theory you got there buddy. So, according to you, Putin is pulling the strings of Hamas behind the scenes so Trump can get elected and there's no other reason why the Palestinian resistance fights back against 75 years of occupation?
Surely the the British Mandate and the 1947-48 partition of Palestine were also a devious ploy to get Orange Man into the White Office. ROFL
@argumento HE SAID WHAT? This is bananas. Quite impressive, the lengths these people will go, bending themselves backwards so much they turn into human pretzels just out of fear of being wrong.
That's right, according to Turd Sandwich 20 thousand plus Palestinians died in "a cheap PR stunt" to get Trump elected. I guess you already blocked him.
@dung_eater@palestine@NoFlexZone@argumento@HistoPol@Lastresponder@Outpatientzero@TruthSandwich I have seen so many like it and many from that weirdo in particular but this is a whole nother level. "...Hamas (who is DEFINITELY responsible for Israel's genocide /s) invaded Israel so that attention would be drawn off Russia and Trump would win the election"
I've never seen so much stupid willingly put out on the internet
@argumento No string pulling is needed. Biden has been directly funding these actions and drawing the expected criticism as a result. It is reflected in his low polling data. He recently used emergency powers to bypass Congress to send weapons. He must own his actions and he’ll be held accountable. @TruthSandwich@HistoPol@dung_eater@palestine@NoFlexZone@Lastresponder@Outpatientzero
For those who fund Hamas - and Putin is one of their primary funders - one of the anticipated benefits of this war is, yes, Trump back in the Oval Office.
Other benefits include the western media turning its attention away from the Russian invasion of Ukraine and Netanyahu's protection from legal troubles (did you know Bibi and Vlad talk on the phone often enough?).
So convenient to ignore paragraph 9 (below). So, two thoughts:
(1) Do you really imagine Putin was unaware of a transfer of millions of dollars to Hamas just before 7 October? Via a Moscow-based cryptocurrency exchange?
(2) Russia likely NEED not 'increase' its support for Hamas. Any terrorist group that receives several million dollars has enough for now.
A crypto transfer from Russia isn't proof that the Russian gov. sent that money, the whole point of crypto is anonymity.
Russia, and before it, the USSR, has a history of supporting BOTH Israel and different bodies of the Palestinian resistance, even though back in the day they prioritized ties with Marxist-Leninist.
Russia has interest in keeping strong ties with BOTH Israel and Palestine.
Which is something the think tank piece says, "Russia tries to sell itself to the third world as an agent of stability". That is, btw, it's openly stated policy. Not that I buy it.
In that sense, Russia has A LOT to win by presenting itself as a mediator, and by supporting the "Two State Solution", not by escalating, nor by getting Iran into a war.
Yes, Russia funds Hamas. No, it's not and by no means "its main sponsor". You know who else funds Hamas, Israel, the United Nations, The European Union, the USA. Why do I say this? Because directly or indirectly any money that gets to Gaza potentially benefits Hamas, who collects taxes and gets donations from the people there.
"For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from"
Do you think that Netanyahu's 50-minute phone conversation with Putin on 10 Dec did not include more strategizing about how to make these atrocities serve the interests of both men?
I am very cynical about all three (Bib, Hamas, and VP).
America has done bad things, no doubt. But to point the finger of blame solely at the USA and ignore Putin's role in events makes your input rather irrelevant.
You won't see me defending Bibi, either in his goals or competence, but I'm not sure what the alternative would have looked like.
In other words, if there'd been a saner PM, how much more targeted would the retaliation have been?
As much as Bibi is apathetic about killing Palestinians, a lot of the collateral damage can only be blamed on Hamas for committing war crimes by intermingling military assets among civilians, whether in hospitals, homes, or schools... or the tunnels beneath them.
Still, I think there are positive signs lately. Flooding the tunnels is a much more targeted attack, as was assassinating that Hamas leader.
I have (and never had) any sympathy for the Israeli Right or the settlers' movement, and I do think, the current government is standing between war crimes and genocidal action, but Hamas (and Hezbollah and the Iranian government) are simply pure evil.
"there are positive signs lately. Flooding the tunnels is a much more targeted attack, as was assassinating that Hamas leader."
On the one hand, yes.
On the other hand, #Netanyahu needs to prolong this war to stay in power, possibly to not be prosecuted, so opening another front in Lebanon makes great sense to him at this point as Hamas' days are numbered.
"Hamas is just the Iranian puppet in Gaza."
Disagree.
There recently was a pod with The Economist's senior security and military correspondent.
He explicitly stated that Hamas is not a puppet and also pursues its own goals while it was even financially quite independent due to forced "taxes." Iran being the largest foreign donor does wield considerable influence, though.
Of course it has various donors and various goals, but the point remains that it is beholden and obedient to Iran.
Everything about the war it launches smells of Iran's goals, not Hamas'. If anything, Hamas is being sacrificed alongside the Gazans it claims to represent.
I do think so.
Its financial infrastructure, apart from Iran, has mostly vanished, I'd say.
To fight a guerrilla war, you need a place to hide inconspicously.
No Gaza. No population. Lebanon overflowing with earlier refugees and no one even wanting the civilian #Gazans? Their tunnels being flooded or destroyed?
The Gazan population is being starved, so potential new recruits.. @TruthSandwich@dung_eater@palestine@NoFlexZone@Lastresponder@Outpatientzero
...will be physically weak. #PhyrricVictory for #Hamas. Unless they draw in #Hezbola and then become martyrs for their cause...assuming their perspective.
Maybe, but Bibi is not actually committing genocide, and even actual genocide rarely entails complete destruction; some people always escape, and that's often intentional.
So, sure, Hamas' base of operations is bombed to pieces, but millions of Palestinians remain alive and they will be enraged at Israel, therefore easy to convert into supporters and even soldiers.
You really can't shoot your way into a lasting peace.
...only buildings where there is opposition should have been possible or flooding the tunnels earlier.
I am sure there would have been a lit of ways if the War Cabinet had given this more thought.
I suspect the answer is somewhere in the middle. The IDF clearly could have done this with less collateral damage because, as far as I can tell, they made little to no effort to minimize it.
Having said that, it's not clear just how much it could be minimized. Pretty much any apparent civilian could be a danger, as Hamas is still broadly popular and does not follow any sort of rules of war.
The question is: Does retaliation actually make sense at all?
Flooding tunnels, targeted personal attacks on leaders, hostage rescue operations is not retaliation. Everything else, the Israeli government has done, is.
Of course, it was understandable. However: We don't elect our leaders democratically so that they behave like children on a schoolyard.
Well, the stated goal of the retaliation is to remove Hamas' ability to execute further massacres.
There are good and bad ways of doing this, but while the headlines are full of casualty numbers, they don't actually break down how many of the dead are soldiers.
So I'd say that Israel's reaction is overkill but largely effective. They would have been wiser to combine the carrot and the stick, ruthlessly rooting out Hamas while showering Gazans with kindness by avoiding a humanitarian disaster.
Anyway. Evidence on social media never changed anyone's opinion. You seem like a mostly decent person so I'd prefer to part on civil terms, but I'm out.
I am neither a top politician nor a military person, but what I know is that, indiscriminate violence against the entire population has never in history worked as a solution to a conflict, or only if you're willing to kill basically everybody (what the Romans did in Carthage after the third Punic War).
Perhaps, the Mossad could have killed the Hamas leadership in Qatar?
@TruthSandwich@dung_eater@palestine@NoFlexZone@HistoPol@Lastresponder@Outpatientzero you say "a government is not a person" when it's about Israel having previous knowledge of the October 7 attacks, but if I say "Israel has no right to exist" then a State is every single person within it. You really are dumb. I bet you think only what's on CNN or Newsweek is real, and everything else is propaganda.
@TruthSandwich Please tell me, what does the fact they are an official Palestinian government bring to the table? Because for me, it’s absolutely worthless. They are as legitimate as Putin, Lukashenko or the Taliban. Or perhaps you’re one of these people who think that they are absolutely representative of Palestinian cause?
Hamas couldn't care less about the Palestinians it claims to represent. That's the point.
They are the de facto government, as illegitimate as they are, and they use Gaza freely as their base of operations. So when they commit a massacre, Gaza is targeted.
They also commit various additional war crimes by intermixing military and civilian buildings, using Gazans as human shields.
If it wasn't Bibi, Israel might make a reasonable effort to minimize collateral damage. It does not appear to be doing so. Then again, it's not clear that it would help much, because of that intermixing and human shield strategy.
On top of that, failing to avoid collateral damage is still not the same as Hamas' policy of targeting noncombatants.
But, besides that, a prime motivator for the ever-increasing right-wing politics in Israel is literally that Israel has been allowing Israelis to force Palestinians out of their homes for years. Just taking over the property with either the covert or overt support of the IDF.. At a purely economic level, it is in the average Israeli person's interest to maintain this kind of violence because someone else's blood is the cheapest way to buy land. It's no surprise that it's trivial to find Israeli sources talking about Palestinians like they're not people. If the people stealing their land considered them people, they might have qualms about stealing the land.
Oh and, even outside of confrontations with Hamas, Israel is a world leader in weapons design. How do they test those designs? By using them on Palestinians. See, for example, the AI turrets designed to identify and shoot Palestinians with less-lethal weapons. See also their yeyars of using of fully-AI drones for war, including during the ongoing conflict. You want to talk about how they need to be better about reducing casualties? They could start with stopping firing self-piloting rockets into Gaza indiscriminately; does it SOUND reasonable that these rockets could reliably choose to target a Hamas militant instead of a civilian?
@TruthSandwich@dung_eater@palestine@NoFlexZone@argumento@HistoPol@Lastresponder@Outpatientzero You've really got to relax this assumption that any country would react this way. Not every country would use white phosphorous. Not every country would be using AI weaponry to absolve themselves of culpability for collateral killings. Not every country would be floating the idea of using nuclear weapons.
I don't even like countries (none of them have a right to exist and they should not), but I think a good number of them are a bit above indiscriminate violence against one of the most oppressed people in the world. For any reason. Like half of the Gazan population is literal children, mate. And the number of people killed by the IDF in the West Bank in 2023 TRIPLED the previous record set in checks notes 2022.
After a war has begun, fine. Anything's on the table because the idea that countries discipline their militaries is a myth. But before the war? It's definitely a Choice.
Hamas broke the ceasefire with a massacre. They kill about 1,200 people, explicitly targeting civilians, including infants and elderly. They beat and raped and kidnapped. They're still holding hostages, who are presumably being beaten and raped.
No country in the world would have just let this slide. You can spout anarchist nonsense. You can complain about the exact methods used in the retaliation. You can try to blame everyone but Hamas for the war they intentionally started.
But you can't pretend that this was ever going to end any other way. Hamas got the war they demanded and all the civilian casualties in Gaza that they could have hoped for. Mission accomplished.
@TruthSandwich@dung_eater@palestine@NoFlexZone@argumento@HistoPol@Lastresponder@Outpatientzero Matey, Hamas is bad. I'm not sure anyone in this thread praised them or denied that. They're fundamentalists who impose upon Palestinians. They have centralized and held onto power within their organization for like 20-30 years. It's not common for anarchists to support them, and I certainly don't.
Neither collective punishment or ethnic cleansing are reasonable answers, and they wouldn't be reasonable for any other country either. Those alone are war crimes, if you want to get international.
However, this war isn't about revenge for those people. Those people are a pretext. If the Israelis were really interested in ending this conflict and seeking a mutual peace, there are all kinds of oppressive things that they could just stop doing. Respect the Gazan border. Stop treating Palestinians as second-class (non-)people. Even now, they could just stop the conflict and retreat, saying 20K was enough. If they REALLY want to do more violence, they might force an election for a new government or something.
But Israel chose to carry out an ethnic cleansing campaign (again!) because they're a colonial state founded with the goal of taking the land. If you can't even acknowledge that, then you don't know enough about this political situation to comment on it, to be frank.
This war has nothing to do with Palestinians, except that they're doing the dying. Hamas may be the nominal government of Gaza, but they don't care at all about the Gazans.
Hamas works for Iran, just like their fellow Hezbollah and Houthi terrorists, and they're all coming after Israel all at once.
This is conveniently distracting the West from the situation in Ukraine and providing fuel for the lunatic left in the USA to go after Biden. And once Trump is in place, Ukraine will quickly fall and Israel will be next.
If you can't zoom out and see the big picture, you can't understand why people are dying in Gaza. And if you let ridiculous ideologies, like anarchism, cloud your vision, all the worse.
In this world
Hate never yet dispelled hate
Only love dispels hate
This is the law
Ancient and inexhaustible
You too shall pass away
Knowing this,how can you quarrel
Buddha
@lethargilistic Yeah, he made an argument earlier, that there’s no proof that the Ethnostate of Zion killed over 20 thousand people, that the numbers are probably inflated and since we don’t know how many of them are Hamas we should conclude they most likely were. And as we know, this logic has several problems. One of them, of course, is basically calling for indiscriminate violence against Gazans until there’s no one standing.
Fucking despicable and disgusting. And this person literally reported me saying “my name is derogatory”.
That's simply false. You need to address what I actually say, not what you imagine I say. What I've said all along is that we need to know how many civilians died, not just how many people.
And, frankly, why would I bother talking to someone who spouts trash like "Ethnostate of Zion"? This is indistinguishable from the slurs of antisemites.
You are not a serious person and your name is indeed vulgar.
@argumento@TruthSandwich@dung_eater@palestine@NoFlexZone@HistoPol@Lastresponder@Outpatientzero
It's like trying to talk to a member of a cult. Don't bother! How they can ignore the disparity between Hamas and state action from an occupying power, let alone the slaughter of women n children, the destruction of vast numbers of their homes, deliberate withholding of vital services inc food n health provision. Just BLOCK the inhumane heartless racist idiots. And that's ignoring the 75+ years of colonialism and ongoing human rights abuses since. BLOCK!!
@TruthSandwich why does a rogue nuclear power deserve to exist fully, unsanctioned and welcomed into the "international community of nations(-states)"?
You always seem to overlook that bit about the violations of nuclear nonproliferation law.
I know plenty of Jewish folks who have thrown down as hard as anyone in the U$ against this horrific genocide. They know Fascism when they see it and are doing something about it. In the first three weeks after this started, I was in DC. I was there as Jewish Voice for Peace and IfNotNow blockaded the White House and beseiged a Capitol office building while holding a CD inside. It was also those two groups that went after the DNC a few weeks after I returned to FL, and faced so much police aggression for doing so.
To further his crusade against alternatives to capitalism, he calls anyone to the left of Obama a "populist" and further claims that all populism is fascism.
The point for accounts like "Truth" are other than Hasbara, is to generate screen caps. Good, fine, lets talk about it - colonizers get what they get. My hope is they get tf out, barring that, that colonizers get lead.
I thought you had muted me once upon a time so I didn't reply to this, but I see you liking and even boosting something I posted today so here I am to tell you that this is pure bullshit. No state has any "right to exist", fuck them all.
Maybe you should take a closer look at what you liked and boosted from me, because any seeming agreement between us is purely superficial.
Calling for the End of Israel is not the same as calling for a genocide, you dumb dumb. I have explained that already half a dozen times. You really don't know anything but repeating propaganda.
@HistoPol
I am saying--and so are many of the Israeli survivors, btw--that the casualties caused by the IOF must not be overlooked. I am also saying that every accusation, every lie by the zionazis, is an admission.
I'm saying that Hamas massacred these people with the goal of starting a war it could not win. With the goal of ensuring that tens of thousands of Palestinians would be "martyred" for their political cause.
The Mossad, and Egyptian intelligence, had prior knowledge of the attacks, but that point was raised earlier and Turd Sandwich just repeated that "Israel is not a person" and that the Intelligence agencies knew didn't mean Bibi did as well.
@HistoPol
I am saying--and so are many of the Israeli survivors, btw--that the casualties caused by the IOF must not be overlooked. I am also saying that every accusation, every lie by the zionists (or would the admins prefer "Israeli occupation"?), is an admission of guilt.
@TruthSandwich
is that on par with, or worse, than committing an actual genocide? How about the claim that "there's no Palestine", or the proclamation that "Gaza will be erased from history" or the pogroms (Israeli description), or the murdering of babies? Or the attacks on hospitals, schools, churches, mosques? How about the lies? The #Hasbara you've so obviously bought into?
Someday, hopefully, you'll ween off the taste of boot. Until then; fuck off. Fuck off already!
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