Mega Thread - Donald Trump Pleads Not Guilty to Conspiring to Defraud the United States in Arraignment - Washington DC

jordanlund, 9 months ago

This seemed to be popular information when I posted it (ahem) “elsewhere”. Thought it might be welcome to have here.

If you’re trying to keep track of where we’re at in the Trump prosecutions:

Updated 8/1/2023

Washington, D.C. - 4 felonies, January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment <- You Are Here
Arrest
Trial
Conviction
Sentencing

Georgia - Election Interference
Investigation <- You Are Here
2 new grand juries impaneled 7/11/2023.
Indictment - July 11th to September 1st.
(Grand Jury work expected July 31 to Aug. 18)
Arrest
Trial
Conviction
Sentencing

New York State - 34 felonies, Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - March 25th, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Florida - 40 felonies, Federal documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - May 20, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a crimimal one.

FuglyDuck, 9 months ago

It’s more than kind of insane when you put it all together like that

mindbleach, 9 months ago

And there are no mysteries here. We know he did it. We saw him do it, in some cases. We have known for years about the fake-elector scheme. We’ve all seen photos of the documents at Mar-a-Lago. We’ve heard him, on tape, begging for state officials to betray our democracy.

If the law is allowed to matter, these people are simply fucked.

If.

FuglyDuck, 9 months ago

Yup. But the law doesn’t matter, and we’re all fucked for it.

I’ll happily be wrong here, but I don’t think I will be

gmtom, 9 months ago

Wow, the trials are roughly a year after the indictment/arrest? Is that normal in America or is it so long due to the special circumstances?

Are they just waiting for an availability in the court or is it to allow enough time for the lawyers to go through processes and do their job?

jordanlund, 9 months ago

Yeah, it can take a while to come to trial.

Look at this psycho who just got sentenced in Idaho for killing her kids and a couple other people:

…wikipedia.org/…/Murders_of_Tylee_Ryan_and_J.

Murders were in 2019, bodies were found in 2020. She was charged with the crimes May 25, 2021.

The trial started April 10, 2023. 2 years after being charged.

spacedancer, 9 months ago

This is a great timeline format! Thanks!

jordanlund, 9 months ago

I try to keep it from most imminent to farther out. Georgia will jump to the top if something happens there, and the D.C. one will get updated when there’s an arrest date.

LeFantome, 9 months ago

Georgia may the most important trial. He cannot be federally pardoned for it and so a conviction in Georgia puts him in jail for real ( though I am not sure if Kemp can pardon him ).

The New York trial is the same but it is too easy to spin that trial as a witch hunt. If that is the only reason he is convicted, America is in for a bad time.

jordanlund, 9 months ago

Georgia is more dangerous. The legislature there passed a law, which Kemp signed, allowing for the removal of a DA under certain circumstances.

The leading theory is that as soon as she brings charges, she’ll be removed.

apnews.com/…/georgia-prosecutor-district-attorney…

mateomaui, 9 months ago

LOL, I was waiting for this update!

Neato, 9 months ago

Those 2 trial dates are so far in the future. He needs to be convicted and barred from holding office before the next Presidential election.

Though I do wonder at the chaos if he's convicted around June-July 2024. Only 3-4 months before the election. Is that enough time for Republicans to pivot to a new deplorable?

jordanlund, 9 months ago

Even if he were convicted on all the charges we have so far, technically, none of them would bar him from office.

He could be blocked from being sworn in by, you know, being in prison, I guess. But the convictions themselves would not be blockers.

What we need is a Constitutional Amendment that bars convicted felons from higher office, and while we’re at it, maybe add an age cap as well. Nobody over 70 for President, Congress, Senate, or Supreme Court.

mateomaui, 9 months ago

It’s insane to think that he could be convicted of all charges, but possibly the only thing that actually sends him to (or keeps him in) prison is losing the election and his shield to hide behind.

GladiusB, 9 months ago

I think the thought is that most middle of the roads won’t ever consider a criminal. There are some hardcores that won’t ever flip. It’s about gripping those on the teeter side of the triangle.

mateomaui, 9 months ago

I don’t think his chances of winning are all that good even if he had zero indictments, but let’s hope they do push him out of the running with reasonable people.

sin_free_for_00_days, 9 months ago

He’s polling pretty even with Biden at the moment. This country’s voters disgust me.

eestileib, 9 months ago

The election isn’t for 16 months, waaaay too early to take polls seriously.

mateomaui, 9 months ago

The last elections had the poll analysts throwing their hands up in the air, so I am hoping those results are heavily skewed in some way and trying not to think about it.

WillyWonksters, 9 months ago

What we need is a Constitutional Amendment that bars convicted felons from higher office

This would be dangerous, allowing inconvenient politicians to be excluded from office through framing or selective enforcement of the law.

What we really need is a population capable of making better decisions.

jordanlund, 9 months ago

Oh, no doubt about that, but which is more likely? :)

DogMuffins, 9 months ago

100% agreed. This is exactly what happened in Burma if I recall correctly. Democratically elected president removed from office as a result of criminal accusations - her crime was attending a gathering in contravention of covid restrictions IIRC.

lolcatnip, 9 months ago

What we really need is a population capable of making better decisions.

Where do you propose to get one of those, and what will you do with the existing population?

Phlogiston, 9 months ago

If we make them felons they can’t vote. We could also do things like scapegoat them and find ways to disenfranchise them.

(The Rs have a whole history of this sorta shit. I wonder if half the reason they’ve been so bad lately is that they worry those tactics will get used against them. )

MiddleWeigh, 9 months ago

This is such a great comment imo.

Ets a shlippry shlope thar bod.

squiblet, 9 months ago

Sure, their entire lives are endless projection: “what if other people can treat us like complete shit, like we do to them?”

LeadSoldier, 9 months ago

Educate them! As much as possible. That’s being undermined now too.

MiddleWeigh, 9 months ago

The education need right now is almost beyond our reach. Weve been needing it. Itd need to be grass roots fucking re education. Some media does it, music, etc. But the younger kids need critical thinking skills most of all, and learning mindfulness, self acceptance. Like classes in real fundamental life shit that they’re not getting. I don’t know how much school has changed since my days. So I dunno. But tampering w schools with the books, that’s just…the term fascist is spot on. DeSantis is dangerous. Someone will see him and even springboard off him deeper down the right wing rabbit hole as a politician.

_CottonCandyUnicorn_, 9 months ago

Serious question because I don’t fully understand the judicial process and what not. Why are the trials so far in the future?

jordanlund, 9 months ago

Perfectly good question…

There are a lot of different confounding factors when you set a trial date. As much as we’d like, Trump isn’t the only trial happening, so other cases have to come first.

There has also been a really big backlog on trials. Covid slowed EVERYTHING down. Here in Oregon it’s so backed up, there’s a class action lawsuit.

koin.com/…/suit-claims-oregonians-denied-constitu…

I can’t imagine how bad it must be in New York.

The Florida trial has extra issues. The number of top secret documents means having lawyers with top secret clearances, you also have two extra defendants who have to find their own Florida based lawyers.

All the added time is to make sure the defendant gets a fair trial.

corsicanguppy, 9 months ago

Here in Oregon it’s so backed up, there’s a class action lawsuit.

A notorious gun-runner from Eastern Canada won his freedom when his trial was taking too long. He sued on a “put up or shut up” play because we have a right to a speedy trial, and since the Crown didn’t think it could build a good case in time (a fast shredder ate the evidence?) it had to release the guy and void the charges.

lolcatnip, 9 months ago

You’d think they’d rearrange their schedule some to deal with the guy who’s a major national security risk.

Phlogiston, 9 months ago

He has a right to a speedy trail but it’s in his political interests to delay things. So in addition to all the good reasons this will take a while (like all the extra work to deal with how classified material will be used during the trail) Trump and his team will also be doing everything they can to delay things.

jordanlund, 9 months ago

I read in another article that the D.C. courts have another 800 cases just for the 1/6 rioters, that doesn’t even count “normal” D.C. crime… so there are only so many days on the calendar.

DogMuffins, 9 months ago

I feel the same way, but then any special arrangements (like rushing to trial) provide fodder for an appeal.

Really you want the legal proceedings to be extra measured and methodical.

I guess this means that yes we’re headed for a situation where a GOP president can pardon Trump, but that’s really a separate issue that needs to be tested by the law and by democracy.

LeFantome, 9 months ago

Very worried that Trump will pardon Trump. He cannot pardon himself for the stuff in Nee York or Georgia though.

Politically, it is too bad the Stormy Daniels one comes first. He could be defending the federal charges from jail just before the election. The “porn star stuff” may not be strong enough to justify that to some people. It is going to be easy to position him as a victim of a politically motivated witch hunt.

DogMuffins, 9 months ago

I don’t think the populace has much appetite for revolt, but surely if these criminal proceedings are derailed in any way due to the perpetrator being the president that’s a democratic crisis.

I mean some of the charges he’s facing involve election fraud, and the perp is just going to pardon themself? What is the point of democracy if you can have yourself fraudulently appointed president and then become immune to prosecution because you are indeed president.

Even in his first term there was the investigation into interference, which was ultimately discarded because you can’t prosecute or investigate a sitting president.

eran_morad, 9 months ago

this shit is gold. Thanks bruh.

ech, 9 months ago

This is very helpful. Thank you!

jordanlund, 9 months ago

It’s why I do it! :)

Spacebar, 9 months ago (edited 9 months ago)

This makes 79 felony charges so far

Hush Money case for Stormy Daniel’s, a former Playboy model, and a 3rd woman

• 34 felony counts - Falsifying business records in the first degree

Classified Documents Case

• 32 felony counts of willful retention of national defense information in violation of the Espionage Act
• 6 felony counts of obstruction-related crimes
• 2 felony counts of false statements to the FBI
• 1 felony count attempted destruction of evidence

Attempted Coup (January 6th)

• 1 count conspiracy to defraud the United States "by using dishonesty, fraud and deceit to obstruct the nation’s process of collecting, counting, and certifying the results of the presidential election"
• 1 count conspiracy to impede the Jan. 6 congressional proceeding
• 1 count conspiracy against the right to vote and to have that vote counted
• 1 count obstruction of, and attempt to obstruct and impede, the certification of the electoral vote

Georgia Election Interference

• Greater than 0 but TBD

eran_morad, 9 months ago

Jfc.

ohlaph, 9 months ago

Winning on indictments, that’s for true.

PoppinKREAM, 9 months ago (edited 9 months ago)

Thank you for listing out all of Trump’s charges from the indictments.

Here is a refresher about the recent indictment and charges related to Special Counsel Jack Smith’s investigation into the January 6th insurrection.

Trump pushed the big lie that the election was stolen. Trump lost in the courts^[1] including the Supreme Court.^[2] Then he tried to pressure state officials.^[3] He tried to pressure Pence.^[4]

So what does Trump do after exhausting all nonviolent methods of overturning the election? Trump turns to his supporters and lights them up making inflammatory statements such as;

• We are going to fight for the survival of the nation.
• Now is not the time to retreat, its to fight harder.
• We will never give in, never back down, never surrender.
• We will fight like hell.
• You have to get your people to fight.

Trump primed them for weeks.

State officials had started getting death threats weeks before the attempted insurrection following the general election.^[5] Trump saw first hand what violence was being created as his supporters rioted and vandalized black churches in Washington back in December.^[6]

Trump didn’t stop his incitement after the initial violence, he got more specific. He told his supporters how, when, and where. He gave them 18 days notice inviting them to the rally telling them to be there, that it will be wild.^[7] And on the day of the insurrection Trump told his supporters to march on the Capitol and fight like hell.

Following the riot Trump continued to promote the big lie that had incited the insurrection. After the mob was dispersed, Trump praised and sympathized with the mob in a video he released, claiming once again that the election had been stolen.^[8] Then he praised the insurrection in a tweet after the mob had been dispersed. He told his mob to remember Jan. 6 forever. He said that he loved the insurrectionists and that the violent mob were special people.

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1. New York Times - Over 30 Trump Campaign Lawsuits Have Failed. Some Rulings Are Scathing.
2. BBC - US Supreme Court rejects Trump-backed bid to overturn election
3. USA Today - Trump is heard on audiotape pressuring Georgia secretary of state to ‘find’ votes to overturn Biden’s win
4. Politico - Trump pressures Pence to throw out election results — even though he can’t
5. NPR - ‘Someone’s Going To Get Killed’: Georgia Republican Official Blasts GOP Silence On Election Threats
6. Toronto Star - Black churches vandalized, four stabbed, dozens arrested at pro-Trump rallies in Washington
7. New York Times - 'Be There. Will Be Wild!’: Trump All but Circled the Date: Inside Trump supporters’ online echo chambers, the chaos of Jan. 6 could be seen coming. People posted their plans to come to Washington — and showed the weapons they would carry.
8. Wall Street Journal - Trump Tells Rioters, ‘I Know How You Feel,’ Draws Bipartisan Condemnation

Treczoks, 9 months ago

Trump primed them for weeks.

I am afraid that Jan. 6 will be seen as a mere skirmish before their real battle against democracy. I hope that wherever Trump will be taken for court and prison will be sufficiently safeguarded from the mind-washed lunatics.

GBU_28, 9 months ago

What up poppin glad you are here

jballs, 9 months ago

Holy crap it is so awesome to see you on Lemmy! This plus the indictment has totally made my day. Keep up the great work!

oaklandnative, 9 months ago

PoppinKREAM! So glad to see you here. As usual, thanks for your very informative post.

GFHC406, 9 months ago

Nice to see a familiar account here! If it wasn’t for PoppinKREAM I’d have been far less informed during the Trump years!

Branch_Ranch, 9 months ago

PoppinKREAM in the mothafuckin house! I’m home.

MiddleWeigh, 9 months ago

Those bullet point quotes are…jfc

Thanks for participating, we all appreciate it

nachobel, 9 months ago

Oh shit! My man KREAM!

Ryumast3r, 9 months ago

Thank God Poppin made it over to Lemmy! Glad to have you here!

Jackolantern, 9 months ago

Thank you for commenting this! Very informative!

RagnarokOnline, 9 months ago

Damn good to see you a friendly face in these parts!

flipthetube, 9 months ago

Plenty of friendly faces round these parts. Perhaps not quite as prolific though.

Today is a good day.

flipthetube, 9 months ago

Yes! You made it over here!

This makes me happy.

eran_morad, 9 months ago

Damn bruh, I remember you from that shithole reddit! Thanks for keeping us informed.

jerome, 9 months ago

Well done. Very appreciated.

MajorTom, 9 months ago

Poppinkream. Now it feels like home

Fandangalo, 9 months ago

The legend returns!!

MadMadBunny, 9 months ago

So happy to see you here, PoppinKREAM!! Thank you for everything!!

Kandorr, 9 months ago

I had hoped you’d migrate to lemmy. I am happy you are here, and appreciate the work that you do.

corsicanguppy, 9 months ago

Thanks for mentioning. I didn’t even check who wrote it … but it all makes sense. So happy PoppinKREAM made it out alive.

SulaymanF, 9 months ago

Others have beaten me to say it, I’m glad you’re here.

btaf45, 9 months ago

Reminder that Steve Bannon frankly confessed Trump’s Start the Steal conspiracy plans to a group of Trump insiders before the election.

www.npr.org/…/jan-6-committee-hearing-transcript

…audio from Trump advisor, Steve Bannon, surfaced from October 31st, 2020, just a few days before the Presidential election.

Let’s listen. [Begin Videotape]

STEVE BANNON: And what Trump’s going to do is declare victory, right? He’s going to declare victory, but that doesn’t mean he’s a winner. He’s just gonna say he’s a winner. The Democrats — more of our people vote early that count. Theirs vote in mail. And so they’re going to have a natural disadvantage and Trump’s going to take advantage — that’s our strategy.

He’s gonna declare himself a winner. So when you wake up Wednesday morning, it’s going to be a firestorm. Also — also if Trump is — if Trump is losing by 10 or 11:00 at night, it’s going to be even crazier. Because he’s gonna sit right there and say they stole it. If Biden’s wining, Trump is going to do some crazy shit.

PoppinKREAM, 9 months ago

Thank you for providing a good source and quoting, I’m definitely saving this.

madcaesar, 9 months ago

I want to print this 1000 times, wrap it in a plastic binder cover letter so I can use it to smack people upside the head with it every time they utter the phrase “bOtH sIdEs”!

madcaesar, 9 months ago

MVP!

PoppinKREAM, 9 months ago (edited 9 months ago)

In a phone call, Trump tried to pressure officials in Georgia into making tens thousands of votes disappear to try and steal the 2020 election. They found no illegal votes, refused to overturn the results and began receiving death threats from Trump’s supporters.^[1]

After Trump had exhausted all legal forms of overturning the election; From having over 60 frivolous lawsuits thrown out from all levels of courts including the conservative leaning Supreme Court (Trump picked 3 justices out of 9), and after his Attorney General Barr resigned (an individual that covered/stalled investigations for Trump), Trump turned to his stalwart supporter in Vice-President Pence. A lie was pushed that Mike Pence could refuse to certify the election results as he presided over the counting of the ballots of the electoral college during the joint session of Congress on Jan. 6. Pence refused this illegal power grab. Having no further recourse Trump incited an insurrection during a rally Trump held at the same time the E.C. ballots were being certified. Trump’s supporters erected a gallows, stormed the capital where several people subsequently lost their lives including police officers. Politicians were incredibly lucky they escaped. For example Capitol Police Officer Goodman’s quick and heroic decision to lead an angry mob away from where congression members were hiding probably saved many lives. This mob was chanting hang Mike Pence, many of whom wore tactical gear, carried zip ties, and used flagpoles, fire extinguishers, and chemical sprays as weapons while attacking police officers that protected Congress.^[2]

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1. BBC - Trump inciting violence, warns Georgia election official
2. The Guardian - The martyrdom of Mike Pence

Apex_Fail, 9 months ago

POPPIN IS ON LEMMY!

Great to see you here and excited for fresh KREAM

Fifteen_Two, 9 months ago

Thank you! Love to see you here!

zettajon, 9 months ago

Back on Reddit, most of my saved comments were from you, PoppinKREAM. Glad to see your detailed (and well sourced!) explanations are here on the lemmyverse now too.

TheLightItBurns, 9 months ago

Seeing you here makes Lemmy feel even more like home… Thank you for all you do!

FordBeeblebrox, 9 months ago

Glad to see you made the leap, keep up the great work you hoopy frood you 👍

tsz, 9 months ago

Holy fuck is it 2016 again

foiledAgain, 9 months ago

Great to see you on here!

kescusay, 9 months ago

Goddamn, this is thorough! It’s like I’m reading PoppinKREAM over on that other site… sees username …O hai!

teraflopsweat, 9 months ago

It’s great to see you here, still poppin these kreamy info dumps.

BuckRowdy, 9 months ago

Dang you’re here too? Did you leave reddit?

elocution, 9 months ago

I’m delighted to wander into a PK comment. This feels like home now! Thank you for your continued commentary and sourcing.

Maslo, 9 months ago

You’re a legend. Glad to see you here

NegativeCool, 9 months ago

You are a welcome sight.

Vaginal_blood_fart, 9 months ago

Legend. So glad you’re here!!!

nuxetcrux, 9 months ago

BACK WITH A VENGENCE

Empricorn, 9 months ago

No reply necessary, but damn it’s great to see you here! Thanks as always for the detailed, sourced info!

Speculater, 9 months ago

Love to see your hard work here!

satanmat, 9 months ago

You’re the GOAT.

GroovinChip, 9 months ago

Fuck yeah, nice to see you here!!

PrincessLeiasCat, 9 months ago

PK spittin’ facts as usual! I’m so happy you’re here! :)

Glaucon, 9 months ago

So good to see you here, PoppinKREAM, after the reddit debacle. It gives me hope for the kind of informed, careful, and comprehensive analysis on Lemmy which is, after all, your calling card.

player1, 9 months ago

Poppin off for real!

glue_snorter, 9 months ago

Be aware that this may not be the same person as /u/poppinKREAM. That’s the beauty of the fediverse™

Empricorn, 9 months ago

They edited a previous Reddit comment with their Lemmy info.

PoppinKREAM, 9 months ago (edited 9 months ago)

While not wrong, it really is me :)

Though there’s no way to really prove it unless you know some personal things about me that I can prove. But I tried to stay somewhat anonymous other than being a Canadian anthropologist who works in athletics lol

As per @doc suggestion, I have edited a comment on reddit I made a few weeks ago to include my Lemmy handle.

www.reddit.com/r/Save3rdPartyApps/…/jry2bb0?utm_s…

AFKBRBChocolate, 9 months ago

other than being a Canadian anthropologist who works in athletics

And who doesn’t know at least a dozen of those?

eestileib, 9 months ago

Hockey players are a mysterious and atavistic civilization.

You think the Yanomamö were violent? Hoo boy.

PoppinKREAM, 9 months ago

Take this gold award, you made me laugh pretty hard 🏅

eestileib, 9 months ago

🤙🏻

Wodge, 9 months ago

I’d say it’s pretty easy to work out it’s you, long ass concise posts that are correctly cited with sources is poppinkream enough for me!

Ryumast3r, 9 months ago

Even if it wasn’t you, someone copying your well-sourced comments would be welcome but I’m also super happy that you could validate using your reddit source content.

doc, 9 months ago

Edit one of your old posts on reddit to add your fediverse account name?

Ohthereyouare, 9 months ago

Brilliant

PoppinKREAM, 9 months ago

Good idea! I’ll add a link to it on my parent comment above.

doc, 9 months ago

Perfect. Welcome!

NotSpez, 9 months ago

You’re an absolute legend. And this is publicly known, so I’m choosing not to provide sources, but they’d be easy to find.

dragonflyteaparty, 9 months ago

Omg, I love your username.

NotSpez, 9 months ago

Thanks! One really doesn’t want to get mixed up with that guy nowadays ;)

player1, 9 months ago

What’s your bank account info? I can confirm your identity that way.

Apex_Fail, 9 months ago

I have a test… how do you feel about the Dakota Access Pipeline?

PoppinKREAM, 9 months ago

I’m still disgusted by the actions of the militarized police force that violently brutalized indigenous protesters.

Apex_Fail, 9 months ago

Yup, that’s the PK I know and love

glue_snorter, 9 months ago

I do believe it is you, hiya! I’m being perverse as a matter of policy.

I try not to get too invested in identities anyway. I look at the user if I need the context to evaluate their frame - but usually, you know when you’re reading insightful commentary.

“on the internet, no one knows I’m a dog”

danc4498, 9 months ago

Every day the content on Lemmy gets better all around. It’s getting very close to giving me everything I used Reddit for.

GuyDudeman, 9 months ago

Same

pennomi, 9 months ago

It’s great to see you here! Thank you for your excellent work!

Ohthereyouare, 9 months ago

Aw yeah, poppinKREAM.

SinningStromgald, 9 months ago

Lemmy is complete if Poppin is here giving out knowledge.

NegativeLookBehind, 9 months ago

Wow, that's ridiculous. Bet the traitor walks anyway.

squiblet, 9 months ago

At this point it seems like nothing will ever happen to him, ever. He seems likely to remain free to commit more crimes, whine endlessly, swindle money from idiots and further harm the country.

mateomaui, 9 months ago

Only the best felony charges! More felony charges than anyone’s ever seen! You wouldn’t believe it!

PersnickityPenguin, 9 months ago

No one’s ever had so many indictments as me! Everyone all just said, “wow look at all the indictments he has!”

#Winning

tryptaminev, 9 months ago

you gotta hand it to him. It is impressive to collect so many charges and still be out of jail.

Is it a quality that recommends him for president, or any position of power as menial as being the guard of a parking lot? God beware no! Get him away from any power, any money and anything where he could harm people, because he will do that for sure!

But it is impressive in itself.

AlexisFR, 9 months ago

Yet still nothing about sedition or treason, which will be the only thing that’ll have a chance to bring him down for good.

TechyDad, 9 months ago

To update a quote from George Takai, “People are worried about Biden’s 80 (age), but we should be more concerned about Trump’s 79 (felony charges).”

DarthBueller, 9 months ago

Oh my.

Chocrates, 9 months ago

George is a fantastic shit poster on Mastodon. I am loving it.

DirkMcCallahan, 9 months ago

It’s wild that there are so many charges, and in such a short timeframe. It feels like just yesterday that we weren’t sure if he’d ever be charged with anything…

When I heard that this was the 3rd indictment, I found myself thinking, “Ok, there’s the Mar-A-Lago case, but what was the first one? Ah…”

In the future there will be entire college courses dedicated solely to the Trump era.

kent_eh, 9 months ago

It’s wild that there are so many charges, and in such a short timeframe. It feels like just yesterday that we weren’t sure if he’d ever be charged with anything…

Investigating, assembling all the evidence, putting together the case is a very involved and time consuming process.

Especially if you want to get every single little detail correct in order to make the case as bulletproof as possible.

KevonLooney, 9 months ago (edited 9 months ago)

We had three, yes. What about fourth indictment?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/037/231/Untitled.jpg

Ohthereyouare, 9 months ago

Next week

mrnotoriousman, 9 months ago

That one is gonna come from Georgia!

jordanlund, 9 months ago

Sometime between now and September 1st. See my timeline comment elsewhere in the thread:

2 new grand juries impaneled 7/11/2023.
Indictment - July 11th to September 1st.
(Grand Jury work expected July 31 to Aug. 18)

LEDZeppelin, 9 months ago

That’s republican front runner, y’all.

/s

phatskat, 8 months ago

Let us never forget the words of Lindsey Graham, of all people

“If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed … and we will deserve it.”

SulaymanF, 9 months ago

They’ve been trying ever since the Bush years to deny reality. Ever since WMDs they’ve been sore that reality has a liberal bias, and have been stubbornly hanging on, in the hopes that once they get past this one scandal then Republican values will win out, just you wait.

squiblet, 9 months ago

It depends which segment you mean. At the core, the party is run by idealogues, and pirates. The idealogues really believe in looney religious shit (as in, "jesus is coming!" or "demons"), or insane economic theories. The pirates don't give a fuck about ideas or religion at all - they just want to steal money from the government and through rigging the economy.

SulaymanF, 9 months ago

My comment applies to Republicans broadly as a whole. Regardless of their motivations, they all find reality inconvenient and when their policies failed (WMDs in Iraq War, 2008 financial meltdown), they tried to blame others rather than admit their policy was the major cause.

Trainguyrom, 9 months ago

I mean if I wanted my guy to win no matter what and didn’t care about democracy I’d probably go for the dude who has a friggin cult following and sells boatloads of merch who has already attempted to change the results of multiple elections by any means possible, because if they win there’s a chance they’ll never have to worry about winning again

ArugulaZ, 9 months ago

More criminal than Nixon... more crazy than Andrew Jackson... more detached from the common man than Hoover... fatter than Taft. That's our Trump!

kluevo, 9 months ago

Hoover doesn’t quite deserve to be on that list. At the very least he did a lot of good in civil service and as a cabnet member before his presidency.

DirkMcCallahan, 9 months ago

And dumber than W’s public persona.

PoppinKREAM, 9 months ago

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Arotrios, 9 months ago

Salute for reposting this from the previously deleted thread.

mateomaui, 9 months ago

I’ll add here again that the judge randomly assigned is Judge Tanya S Chutkan, a 2014 Obama appointee, who ruled against Trump trying to keep his documents secret from investigations, saying “Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President.”

lawandcrime.com/…/presidents-are-not-kings-and-pl…

mateomaui, 9 months ago

She’s playing it straight in public but you know right before she walks out her front door at home it’s gonna be like this

i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/…/625.jpg

surewhynotlem, 9 months ago

Hopefully with an armed escort. His followers are nuts, and not exactly a fan of black people or women.

mateomaui, 9 months ago

Oh yeah, got the same concerns for DA Willis in GA.

moistclump, 9 months ago

I like her. The full quote was:

“Plaintiff does not acknowledge the deference owed to the incumbent President’s judgment. His position that he may override the express will of the executive branch appears to be premised on the notion that his executive power ‘exists in perpetuity,'” U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan wrote in the ruling. “But Presidents are not kings, and Plaintiff is not President. He retains the right to assert that his records are privileged, but the incumbent President ‘is not constitutionally obliged to honor’ that assertion.”

mateomaui, 9 months ago

Indeed, I’m looking forward to her judgement quotes from this case as well.

jordanlund, 9 months ago

This seemed to be popular information when I posted it (ahem) “elsewhere”. Thought it might be welcome to have here.

If you’re trying to keep track of where we’re at in the Trump prosecutions:

Updated 8/3/2023

Washington, D.C. - 4 felonies, January 6th Election Interference
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
(Lawyers have until 8/10 to submit requested trial dates, which will be announced 8/28)
Trial
Conviction
Sentencing

Georgia - Election Interference
Investigation <- You Are Here
2 new grand juries impaneled 7/11/2023.
Indictment - July 11th to September 1st.
(Grand Jury work expected July 31 to Aug. 18)
Arrest
Trial
Conviction
Sentencing

New York State - 34 felonies, Stormy Daniels Payoff
Investigation
Indictment
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - March 25th, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Florida - 40 felonies, Federal documents charges
Investigation
Indictment
Original indictment was for 37 felonies.
3 new felonies were added on July 27, 2023.
Arrest <- You Are Here
Trial - May 20, 2024
Conviction
Sentencing

Other grand juries, such as for the documents at Bedminster, have not been announced.

The E. Jean Carroll trial for sexual assault and defamation where Trump was found liable and ordered to pay $5 million before immediately defaming her again resulting in a demand for $10 million is not listed as it’s a civil case and not a crimimal one.

YoBuckStopsHere, 9 months ago

https://lemmy.world/pictrs/image/f3476f9e-cfd5-4c54-a614-1600fad49046.png

YoBuckStopsHere, 9 months ago

I added your content in the main body and credited you.

jordanlund, 9 months ago

Thank you so much!

YoBuckStopsHere, 9 months ago

Trump will speak / rant at Reagan International Airport at 5pm EST NBC News Live Link

HCE, 9 months ago

Interesting to see what an active post looks like on Lemmy. At time of this comment, there are 672 comments and the pot itself has 2721 score total.

YoBuckStopsHere, 9 months ago

Lemmy, in general, is growing at massive rates. The population is doubling everyone 20 days or so.

starrox, 9 months ago

I’m not an American and I read the whole 45 pages indictment. One one hand, because it was highly entertaining to read Agent Oranges tweet in such a serious context, on the other hand because, in a way, this affects the whole world. The defendant was such a horrible (and effective) role model to authoritarian politicians around the globe and I honestly believe the US won’t recover from a not-guilty verdict or even worse, a second term of that ape.

But even IF he somehow, miraculously, gets a prison sentence - there is still so much to be done. The whole apparatus that enabled him should face justice. Not only his direct co-conspirators but also republican congressmen & -women that violated their oath to protect your republic from exatly the tyranny that the defendant tried to establish.

But who am I kidding; In reality I am already waiting for the announcement of his second term, the pardoning of each and everyone of his co-conspirators plus a self-pardon (how crazy is that?!) from '47. Thats how much trust I have in your system at this point.

zombuey, 9 months ago

Well…said

The apparatus should face justice as well as be evaluated. I could argue the electoral college system had one useful trait and that was to be a hedge against populist politicians. In this event that system has been shown the be ineffective. A political party has been able to weaponize stupidity against our nation.

c7plumbcrazy, 9 months ago

And the sad part is there are no laws preventing him from running and winning office if a guilty verdict was the outcome for any federal indictments. Who’d thunk it, the Forefathers didn’t foresee this happening. Apologies for grammar.

Nukken, 9 months ago

So what would happen there. Would he be let out of prison while he’s president? Be president from prison? He can’t pardon himself right?

c7plumbcrazy, 9 months ago

I think that’s the core of the problem. I don’t believe there are any laws or rulings addressing any of these issues. Of course congress won’t touch on that subject without a complete overhaul of the way things operate in that dumpster fire (all of them). The only current method to remove a sitting president is through impeachment. Here’s to hoping the current republicans have the berries to not nominate the cancer for 2024.

Furbag, 9 months ago

That’s the sad part. Trump couldn’t have possibly done this alone. It was the result of countless failures of both the moral fortitude of our political ruling class and the system of checks and balances itself. Even if Trump the Traitor takes the fall for this, the framework for his authoritarian ascension still remains firmly in place, and the next demagogue to come around will have all of Trump’s dumb mistakes as a roadmap to avoid.

starrox, 9 months ago

Very well put.

Arsenal4ever, 9 months ago

It turns out, a lot of US politics is built on norms. You’re not supposed to hire your daughter and son-in-law, then let your son-in-law be in charge of freakin’ middle east peace, and then walk out with billions in investments.

You’re not supposed to lie all the time, and then be supported.

You’re not supposed to grab women by the you know what and get elected.

You’re not supposed to lie and cheat and do whatever. The Bulwark has an awesome piece on the corruption of Lindsay Graham. It is very informative about how it takes more people to make a Trump.

starrox, 9 months ago

Thank you for the linked piece. Very interesting read!

jaschen, 9 months ago

As someone who has the Secret Service on his tail 24/7, how will he escape to Russia?

Ninjajosh, 9 months ago

Because the calls were coming from inside the house

ToAllPointsWest, 9 months ago

If you think this is great, wait until you see who’s going to be judging him!

Prethoryn, 9 months ago

Who is going to be the judge? I am actually a little behind on this.

TwinTusks, 9 months ago

I also don’t know, but maybe the supreme court judges that he appointed?

thereisalamp, 9 months ago

Tanya Chutkan.

An Obama appointed judge voted in unanimously with McConnell leading the senate.

She’s an absolute baddass and she’s got no patience for bullshit. She was picked at random, and holds the standard for giving out the harshest sentences to Jan 6ers

NABDad, 9 months ago

From the Washington Post:

U.S. District Judge Tanya S. Chutkan, the trial judge overseeing former president Donald Trump’s case in Washington, has been the toughest sentencing judge on the D.C. federal court for Jan. 6 defendants, according to a Washington Post database.

Dramachad, 9 months ago

Isn’t it someone the Obamanopticon appointed?

NABDad, 9 months ago

She was appointed by President Obama, if that’s what you’re trying to say.

zombuey, 9 months ago

lol listening to NPR news talk about this was fascinating. They only provided the facts, but they definitely were emphasizing words. The reaction to this tid bit from the interviewer had so much in it “Really, Fascinating” but she somehow said that in a tone that really said “oh! he’s fucked”. The announcement of the indictment was “Trump has been indicted, AGAIN” in a tone that basically said, “really dude how many laws did you fucking break?”

bquintb, 9 months ago

🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿 I love this part…watch!

joel_feila, 9 months ago

Ill get the champagne ready

SneedsFeednSeed, 9 months ago

Two things can be true at once:

Persecuting your political opponent is banana republic tier behavior.

Your political opponent broke the law.

The only case that appears to have merit is regarding the withholding of classified documents. Other cases seem weak. Trump will argue that “well Hillary Clinton did it why can’t I?” and to be fair he would have a point there. It comes across as political persecution and it wouldn’t surprise me if jury nullification was the outcome. Either way it won’t stop him from running for president.

tacosplease, 9 months ago

Where does one get the opinion that some of the charges don’t have merit?

SneedsFeednSeed, 9 months ago

Where does one get the opinion that they do?

tacosplease, 9 months ago

By reading the indictments?

bilbofraggins, 9 months ago

Did you read the indictment? I recommend it. “Weak” hardly describes it.

SneedsFeednSeed, 9 months ago

Guess we’ll see how it all plays out. It’ll be entertaining whatever the outcome.

zombuey, 9 months ago

He absolutely would not have a point here. She would not face these sorts of consequences regardless for the same reason Pence, Biden, Bush, and numerous others have not. When it was discovered they may have had confidential information they and were asked and they immediately began cooperating with officials. Not so for Trump. In addition the type and scale of that classified information is in a class all its own in this case. You cannot use an past events for comparison in this case because it is completely unprecedented the disregard for law and the norms is on a whole different level from anything that has come before it.

SneedsFeednSeed, 9 months ago

Clinton used BleachBit on her private server which isn’t exactly cooperating with the investigation, what with the destruction of evidence and such.

circlejerkingdiva, 9 months ago

The documents thing doesn’t come close to the Georgia election fraud case. There is a literal recording of Trump telling a member of his party to “find 11,780 votes.”

SneedsFeednSeed, 9 months ago

Correct, but that can be read as either hey all I need is this many votes and I know I have those votes (erroneous thought or not) or you can read it as I need you to conjure up that many votes wink wink nod nod. It isn’t an explicit statement despite many people reading it that way.

PaintedSnail, 9 months ago

Intent is always hard to prove. Not a lawyer, but I believe this is where the standard of “reasonableness” comes in. Since we can’t read Trump’s mind, we can’t just guess that he thought they were there and wave it away. We have to ask if a reasonable person, under the same circumstances, would have known whether or not those 11k votes existed. Given that he was told by basically everyone with knowledge of the matter that they didn’t, we can conclude that he knew the votes were not there, and asking for the votes to be “found” was asking for them to be conjured up.

SneedsFeednSeed, 9 months ago

We can’t conclude anything based on what a reasonable person would know because Trump isn’t generally reasonable now is he?

PaintedSnail, 9 months ago

We absolutely can unless he wants go go for an insanity plea, because that’s the only way it could be claimed that he is unreasonable enough to not be held accountable. If he can’t plead insanity, then he must be a reasonable enough person to be held accountable.

diablexical, 9 months ago

I encourage you to learn facts and circumstances around these cases. Legal eagle on youtube can provide an informative, entertaining overview from a lawyer’s perspective. The details surrounding the documents and the subjects response to inquiry is very different.

YoBuckStopsHere, 9 months ago

Persecuting your political opponent is banana republic tier behavior.

Not when that opponent attempted to overthrow the government because he lost an election. The banana republic would have been if they didn’t hold Trump responsible.

SneedsFeednSeed, 9 months ago

1. I don’t believe Trump’s behavior on Jan 6th meets the level of an attempted coup on the government and 2) holding politicians accountable is all fine and good if applied equally and not selectively enforced.

YoBuckStopsHere, 9 months ago

Did you think Osama Bin Laden was innocent too? He was in a cave in Afghanistan and not in the United States leading the attack. Personally I strongly believe both are guilty of organizing attacks on the United States.

SneedsFeednSeed, 9 months ago

Come on man that’s just hyperbole

havocpants, 9 months ago

I don’t believe Trump’s behavior on Jan 6th meets the level of an attempted coup on the government

Then you are a fool.

SneedsFeednSeed, 9 months ago

Ad hominem

drewisawesome14, 9 months ago

There’s a massive difference between Trump and Clinton.

Trumps win was investigated for suspicions of Trumps campaign and Russia colluding to win the 2016 election and to undermine Clinton. This was investigate and it was found that yes, Russia interfered with the 2016 election, but there was not enough evidence to prove there was any collusion between the two.

Trumps investigation is different in that there’s mountains of evidence of him being told over and over again that he lost the 2020 election fair and square. There is also massive amounts of evidence of him knowingly lying about the election being stolen from him, along with evidence of him actively trying to overturn the results.

Also a massive difference; Clinton conceded in 2016. Trump refused to concede in 2020.

I’m having a hard time seeing Trump wiggle his way out of this one, honestly. But he’s done it before so it’ll be interesting to see what happens.

SneedsFeednSeed, 9 months ago

I was referring to the handling of classified documents not the election.

drewisawesome14, 9 months ago

Ahh I see.

Well in that case I think there’s still major differences. Clinton was guilty of being an idiot, Trump is accused of purposefully lying to the government about withholding classified documents, and had conspired to hide them with many of his staff members

SneedsFeednSeed, 9 months ago

Clinton met the statute requirements as it was a strict liability crime but for some reason Comey read an intent clause into it that doesn’t exist in the statute. He let her skate by on this intent aspect which he made up.

YoBuckStopsHere, 9 months ago

So the rumor mill in Washington D.C. circles on co-conspirator #6 appears to be targeting Boris Epshteyn.

zombuey, 9 months ago

Boris Epshteyn

Would make sense as he is a Russian asset I would have to wonder who was really doing the recruiting here lol.

Lord_McAlister, 9 months ago

… Is it just coincidence his last name is Epstine?

NamesArrHard, 9 months ago

The simulation is just clearly not giving a fuck at this point, rehashing names like ChatGPT on drugs.

TheDGeneration, 9 months ago

Judging by what he was involved in (forged elector doc verbiage, gathering a list of lawyers to assist in each state they planned to forge said certs) Boris was my slightly educated guess.

There were a lot of high hopes that it would be Stone or Bannon but they just don’t fit the bill.