davidho,
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Why is there the expectation that f**king up the planet and saving it should both be profitable?

Lyle,
@Lyle@cville.online avatar

@davidho the annual value of the snow crab catch was $24.5 million USD. Saving the world is wildly profitable https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/species/alaska-snow-crab

Jonathanglick,
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RnDanger,

@Jonathanglick @davidho
What are people going to do if they can't make money? Survive on the bounty provided to us by the planet‽

RogerBW,
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@davidho There are people who genuinely believe that if a thing isn't profitable it shouldn't happen.
Fortunately for them, their parents didn't feel the same way.

jgkoomey,
@jgkoomey@mastodon.energy avatar

@davidho Very good point. Also important to think about cost perspectives. From the societal perspective it will be wildly “profitable” to get to zero emissions, but fossil fuel company profits will go down in that scenario. Sucks to be them.

McPatrick,
@McPatrick@mastodon.social avatar

@davidho

Well…
Profit (and status) are the two social rewards for doing things that “we” (society)approve of/value.

We approved of (and still do, somewhat) plundering the planet. And rewarded doing so.

And now, we want people to save the planet…

davidpmaurer,
@davidpmaurer@mastodon.sdf.org avatar

@davidho guess.

tofugolem,
@tofugolem@mastodon.social avatar

@davidho
I want to know why people think it's reasonable to argue that increasing the rate of natural disasters would be good for the economy.

What do people think happens to a regional economy when the insurance industry stops providing insurance to that region?

5klp471,
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@davidho
Money, dear boy.

Dogzilla,

@davidho @CosmicTraveler Maybe because it’s literally the only measure of “value” humanity’s universally accepted?

preslavrachev,
@preslavrachev@mastodon.social avatar

@davidho it’s the only motivation that speaks to people, apparently — “what’s in it for me.”

krysanify,

@davidho Because there are lives that depends on that profit. It may not the lives and families that we care about, them being the elite of the world, but still..

To be clear, by no mean is this an apologetic reply. I think they should paid off their debts and scale down their lifestyles, to live as frugal as the rest of us, and that profit would no longer be needed.

MsMerope,
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@davidho capitalism?

CindyS,
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@davidho
It's called capitalism. Capitalism will kill humanity if the planet doesn't shake us off like the parasites we are before that.

rood,
@rood@aus.social avatar

@davidho it's a tough job giving human effort a cease and desist order. People that find a place for profit to reappear are just using the carrot and stick relocation method. You don't have to believe in profit to realise it might be easier to manage than anything else at all. Money-talks people only hear in a financial related audio range, so I wouldn't assume the speaker is incapable of changing their tone.

koteisaev,
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@davidho Because this is how money-based economics work - anything expressed in amount of money paid for work, services, and materials. No matter what kind of "work" or "services" it would be - either PR of oil industry, building another pipeline, building of new carbon-capture station or deploying EV-chargers network.
And people who organizing all that - they want to be paid a lot, not for their day to day needs, but luxuries, personal pensions, savings, and money for their children etc.

KatLS,
@KatLS@ohai.social avatar

@davidho because the myth of unlimited growth has contaminated our society.

RealSolo,

@davidho

People make money ruining it

I'm going to make money fixing the ruins

It's capitalism

Thank you

Selena,
@Selena@ivoor.eu avatar

@davidho
Because privatization always saves money, because companies are always efficient, because that is what the propaganda told me.

SleightWryder,

@davidho Wait. So being able to enjoy fresh air and added mobility/ activities is not profit? Money is just a symbol for energy present to the entity with enough to trade for the physical manifestation of one's desires. It could literally be in the form of anything including shells.

jose997,

@davidho I mean, I understand the sentiment, but people still need to make money even in a futuristic green utopia.
People aren't just going to give up their current livelihoods in favour of a long-term goal.

geomant,
@geomant@norden.social avatar

@davidho Because we only ever do things that are extremely profitable.

So we do not need to think about a scenario where saving the planet is not profitable because in that scenario it doesn't happen and everyone is just dead end of story.

janet1,

@davidho Similar to why people expect preventive care to save money when it almost never does?

woolfhound,
@woolfhound@woof.group avatar

@davidho as a society are brains are totally broken in that we think our economic system is a natural law vs a bunch of stuff we made up and decided to do.

RoteBlume,
@RoteBlume@mastodon.social avatar

@davidho because they only think about the next quarter for their Shareholder?

Bl4ckst4r,

@davidho our parents were paid to destroy the planet and we are paid to repair it and to add mockery to injustice, while doing a profit

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