@davidho There are people who genuinely believe that if a thing isn't profitable it shouldn't happen.
Fortunately for them, their parents didn't feel the same way.
@davidho Very good point. Also important to think about cost perspectives. From the societal perspective it will be wildly “profitable” to get to zero emissions, but fossil fuel company profits will go down in that scenario. Sucks to be them.
@davidho Because there are lives that depends on that profit. It may not the lives and families that we care about, them being the elite of the world, but still..
To be clear, by no mean is this an apologetic reply. I think they should paid off their debts and scale down their lifestyles, to live as frugal as the rest of us, and that profit would no longer be needed.
@davidho it's a tough job giving human effort a cease and desist order. People that find a place for profit to reappear are just using the carrot and stick relocation method. You don't have to believe in profit to realise it might be easier to manage than anything else at all. Money-talks people only hear in a financial related audio range, so I wouldn't assume the speaker is incapable of changing their tone.
@davidho Because this is how money-based economics work - anything expressed in amount of money paid for work, services, and materials. No matter what kind of "work" or "services" it would be - either PR of oil industry, building another pipeline, building of new carbon-capture station or deploying EV-chargers network.
And people who organizing all that - they want to be paid a lot, not for their day to day needs, but luxuries, personal pensions, savings, and money for their children etc.
@davidho Wait. So being able to enjoy fresh air and added mobility/ activities is not profit? Money is just a symbol for energy present to the entity with enough to trade for the physical manifestation of one's desires. It could literally be in the form of anything including shells.
@davidho I mean, I understand the sentiment, but people still need to make money even in a futuristic green utopia.
People aren't just going to give up their current livelihoods in favour of a long-term goal.
@davidho Because we only ever do things that are extremely profitable.
So we do not need to think about a scenario where saving the planet is not profitable because in that scenario it doesn't happen and everyone is just dead end of story.
@davidho as a society are brains are totally broken in that we think our economic system is a natural law vs a bunch of stuff we made up and decided to do.
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