@randahl Okay, kids, this is where the adult steps in to point out that each side wants to obliterate the other, and that does amount to having a desire for genocide, and by "each side" I mean the governments thereof. Most Israeli Jews and most Jewish diaspora are against the land-grabby ultra orthodox in charge of Israel's government right now, and most Palestinians feel stuck with Hamas since 2006, which Hamas is aware of which is why it doesn't have elections. Anyone who claims that all Gazans are terrorists because they elected Hamas in 2006 are liars, and all Hamas supporters who claim that no hospitals are military operations are also liars. Both-sides-ism fits to a tee in this case.
BTW, there were many good Germans in nazi Germany as good Russians in today's nazi ruSSia. But hey cannot be reason for appeasement and submission, right?
Famously, the only two options when confronted with a threat are “indiscriminate murder of anyone near anyone who might be an adversary” or “appeasement and abject surrender.”
It absolutely is true, but it’s also absolutely absurd to suggest that the only available alternative to killing 11,000 people—including thousands of children and hundreds of doctors and nurses—is surrender.
As a general rule, it’s inadvisable to respond to a hostage crisis by blowing up every house in which a hostage might be held.
@HeavenlyPossum Do not copy/paste Hamas BS. They declared 11 000 dead civilians including 471 dead in Al Ahli which never happened. You believe in such BS, do not do that.
Besides, every militant magically change to civilian right after his death. Tons of videos are about it. #Pallywood
Why you write "blowing up every house in which a hostage might be held" when you have to know it's stupid nonsense? They want their ppl back, not to kill them. And working on it even with US special forces(IDK which all are involved).
Homework: study how was Mosul liberated from ISIS and compare to Gaza.
@HeavenlyPossum Again wrong. Correct version:
"Everyone who lies is liar."
And Hamas are masters at lying. Proved many times. Only 🐑believe them anymore.
Remember Al Ahli? Absolute disgrace.
@HeavenlyPossum Yes. And source is Hamas. HRW - the pot calling the kettle black. Like Amnesty, like BBC, like NYT,... Remember Al Ahli? Absolute disgrace. But you don't. You're pushing out inconvenient information.
You ignore even dozen thousands missiles fired by poor Gazans onto Israel. Never existed, right?
If you want to believe to liars and to lies, go on. Your problem. I'm too tired to crack your so obvious and easily checked bias more.
Incredible: you picked a different report, this one about Hamas, that is specifically about and critical of Hamas’ human rights violations, to try to make claims that HRW unreliable and that the report I cited was sourced from Hamas.
I realize English is not your first language, so I strongly recommend that you study some more to help with your comprehension.
You have completely, utterly misunderstood everything here. You cited a Human Rights Watch report critical of Hamas in an attempt to make a point about HRW’s bias, and you don’t even seem to realize what you did.
The report was by Human Rights Watch using information they collected in Lebanon. You’re a fucking clown.
I don't think it's about my English, but your brain. Even your link of HRW say:
Heavy bombardment of Gaza by Israeli forces since October 7 has killed, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, more than 11,000 Palestinians...
And who is in the seat of Gaza’s Health Ministry? Martian?
So no, it's identically 11,000 casualties like from my link. Same source: HAMAS. If you still don't get it, you have big brain problem. Try basic school, or so.
You are eating BS so you produce BS. Try to use brain next time.
@HeavenlyPossum Of course I'm still talking about number of dead. You started. But you are incapable to understand simple logic. Loser with bad brain.
You are eating BS so you produce BS. Try to use brain next time.
@RD Yes, you also copy/paste Hamas BS. Another intelligent on scene. And Al Ahli was destroyed by Israeli with 471 casualties. Understood. 😁
And yes, nobody cares about palestinian Arabs. Even in arabic/islamic states. Except when Israel/Jews are involved. Do you want proof?
#^https://twitter.com/TerryMoran/status/1725558105415536913
Try to use your brains this time and find why.
@HeavenlyPossum You are demasked liar, not very clever anti-Israel troll. Feel free to keep looking for titles and subjects. Nobody cares. What matters is that you eat Hamas BS about casualties.
Martin believes HRW is biased and unreliable, which would seem to imply that he disagrees with HRW’s conclusions—in the report that Martin linked to!—that Hamas has committed numerous war crimes.
Why would Martin defend Hamas from charges of committing war crimes? Possibly a troll for Hamas.
How about landing paratroopers in foreign countries, kidnapping people from music festivals, taking people hostage, using your neighbors and families as human shields, and killing children in their commune beds?
Were those things also wrong when you were growing up?
@randahl was it also wrong to unleash tunnels underneath one and stockpile weapons and fuel and let terrorists live and work there? Wa s or wrong for terrorist to hold patients hostage at gunpoint, so that no one would try to root the terrorists out or the hospital and out of the tunnels? Or do you let terrorists live and work from your home, pretending you too are a civilian?
There’s this really simple saying that I can’t quite remember but I feel is relevant here. Something about two wrongs not making something. Can’t put my finger on it tho.
@grumpybabybear@randahl exactly, they’ve tried apartheid, occupation and genocide. They have to bomb maternity wards, it’s the only logical conclusion.
It's Hamas that has ignored the international humanitarian laws developed in the 19th and 20th century to civilise war (if that is possible) by building bases beneath hospitals with the intention of creating human shields using civilians.
@snack@randahl war? How can oppressed people living in worlds largest concentration camp be at war?
This.is apartheid and the oprressed had enough of their chains. once again. How can they be at war with a nuclear power with a weapons budget of billions of $ ?
And people like you support mass killings, sadist tortures, collective punishment, because?
Btw, idf has been using human shields (children too), for decades. you probably never really question your sources.
@uhuru@snack@randahl they butn d civilians alive you ghoul. They cut the fingers of a boy in front of a father, then cut the feet of the father, before they killed them. They sat down and finished the breakfast of the families as their bodies lay around. They took smoking breaks as they dragged foreign workers into killing rooms. They took many hours killing civilians. They proudly called their mothers to brag. They streamed the killings. There is no give and take.
The horrific violence of 7 October can no more justify killing Palestinian children than the ongoing mass murder of Palestinian children could justify another 7 October.
Suffering an undeserved harm cannot justify causing unjustified harm. If it did, it would apply as equally to innocent Palestinians as it does to innocent Israelis.
Oh, I see, so you’re siding with Hamas over Biden? Good to know.
White House spokesman John Kirby told reporters on the presidential plane, Air Force One, that intelligence confirmed the militant Hamas group, which rules Gaza, used tunnels underneath Al-Shifa and other hospitals to conceal military operations and to hold hostages.
@TruthSandwich@sibrosan@randahl
And we have the interrogations of Hamas militants explaining how they use hospitals and ambulances for military purposes
Israel isn't aiming to kill civilians, it's fighting an enemy in an urban environment, who is intentionally locating their militants, their hq, their weapons manufacturing and storage, right in schools, hospitals, in civilian apartments
The only way to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza is to surrender to Hamas, which btw would yield many Israeli civilian casualties
@EyalL You know very well, civilian casualty counts depends on the type of mission chosen.
Whenever there is a group of terrorists in a shopping mall in an EU country, we send in the SWAT team to kill the terrorists. We do not bomb the entire mall with civilians inside.
Israel has chosen to drop 1,000 bombs per day on an area with a population density of London. That was not the only option, but Israel chose this solution, and that choice has led to civilian casualties.
Israel withdrew unilaterally exited Gaza in 2005, Gazans elected Hamas. In what regards internal matters , it’s not on anybody else except Gazans to kick Hamas out of power. Self determination, remember?
A grand total of 11% of all Palestinians cast ballots for Hamas in 2006, giving Hamas a slim plurality of votes. Hamas did not even with a plurality in all of the electoral districts of Gaza; it won only two of five in the strip.
IDF says that the staff had gotten a delay of 3 days of the raid to allow Hamas time to conceal the tunnel entrances. But even with those 3 days they had weapons stashed in the mri room.
It was so stuffed with Hamas weaponry that with 3 days they failed to conceal it all
A hospital with military equipment in it is a valid military target. Not for carpet bombing, but for a raid, which is what Israel did. The raid killed zero patients or hospital staff btw
The World Health Organization (WHO) has reported that at least 521 people, including 16 medical workers, have been killed in 137 “attacks on health care” in Gaza as of November 12.
That's the goal, because it's the only way to prevent a brutal massacre of Israelis again.
Shooting at a hospital without a good reason very strongly defeats the purpose, and IDF really really wants to achieve that purpose. Each and every soldier there is motivated by the need to prevent another massacre
"That's the goal, because it's the only way to prevent a brutal massacre of Israelis again."
So you assume the IDF command and all its sections and members work in concert towards this goal, and this goal only, and nobody lets ill feelings towards Palestinians in general get the better of them.
I'd applaud it if this were true, but I fear it's much too optimistic to expect it to work like that in practice.
Another video showing more weapons found in Shifa (in a car loaded with weapons for the Oct7 attack they apparently forgot to clean up in the garage), making that less and less likely.
@TruthSandwich@sibrosan@randahl Right! we all know how good their intel as an weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.....or how they used it as an excuse to start an illegal war.
@TruthSandwich@sibrosan@randahl how many civilians is it ok to kill per Hamas member? One? Ten? A thousand? Would it be ok to nuke Gaza? It'd be Hamas fault after all, right?
@sibrosan@TruthSandwich@randahl The HQ that several Doctors Without Borders people have said they have never seen on that hospital (or what is left of it anyways). They worked in that hospital before it was bombed.
When you grew up did you ignore the war crime of using civilian structures like hospitals for military purposes (as well as storing hostages taken which is also a war crime)?
@TruthSandwich@gavinisdie@randahl there are still civilians inside, they should be protected even when in military bases. This is exactly the reason both_sides use them as human shields
To be fair, it appears that a majority of Gaza civilians support Hamas. It is the duly-elected government. So while they’re noncombatants, they’re not necessarily innocents.
In any case, Hamas has made the choice for the civilians it represents. And these civilians chose Hamas to represent them. No wonder they’re dying like flies: when you endorse terrorism, this is what you get.
@anubis2814@randahl Neither the #USA, nor #Israel are perfect & both have made mistakes & have had poor leaders… At least American soldiers didn’t call their families from murdered Vietnamese phones to brag about how many they killed with their own hands. #IDF takes great pains to minimize civilian casualties… #JihadistDeathCults like #Hamas relish death & martydom of “infidels” & Muslims alike. There is no reasoning or negotiation possible w/savage & suicidal religious zealots.
@Properganda@anubis2814@randahl both sides show genocidal intent. Yes, Hamas does it more violently. Israel knows to be more careful in its appearance, but even before October this year has been the most violent one, with Palestinian victims being much more, and with West Bank being under continuous pressure by armed settlers with documented government and military support
There is a state that illegally occupies land, oppresses millions of people denying them basic rights and enforces apartheid, and then there is the fucking obvious violent response to that horror. I don't support or defend HAMAS. or the 1970's IRA, or the violence of the ANC in South Africa but what exactly are millions of people meant to do? Stay quiet so as not to offend western folks sensibilities?
Thanks for displaying your ignorance & brainwashing on the topic. 🤡
I suggest you go live under Sharia Law, Putin’s Russia, China or North Korea, since that’s obviously the culture & systems you prefer to democracy. #FascistFan
I am normally extraordinarily reluctant to accuse someone of being a paid troll. There are so very, very many people willing to be assholes online for free and it seems like a terrible waste of someone’s money.
But if anyone is, it’s this person, who created a bunch of these accounts to spam the fediverse with this nonsense.
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