leigh, (edited )
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

Currently sleeping the sleep of the righteous, @andrew was up way too late building tools to fend off the current wave of fedi spam, playing whack-a-mole with bad accounts, and getting fedi friends up and running with their own blocklists.

I’d like to convene a discussion this week or next to do a mini retro on this attack and some work around fedi spam fighting tools. If you’re interested in the discussion, @ me your email or send one to spamretro at hypatia dot ca and I’ll loop you in on it 🙏

Would love to have a proper UR/UX person on the call, I’m a mere amateur at that part 😅

Edit to add for reach 🚀

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

Still going through and sending out invites for a retro/postmortem call regarding this weekend's spam attack, but in the interim I also made an asynchronous retro form: https://forms.gle/V4h9zBE6pcTvpQAx8

Also useful if you hate video calls, have a conflict on your calendar, or otherwise prefer writing. Thanks for sharing and/or replying!

ian,
@ian@phpc.social avatar

@leigh When's the retro scheduled for? Might be able to show up, depending.

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@ian wednesday (today) at 12PM EST - dm me an email and I'll add you. If you can't make the time, https://forms.gle/KbafzP4EgUtSnD9KA

ian,
@ian@phpc.social avatar

@leigh Cool. Yeah, I have a conflict today but I'll fill in the form when I get a chance.

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@ian awesome, will give folks more notice for the next thing 🙏

wholesomedonut,
@wholesomedonut@fosstodon.org avatar

@leigh I put in some thoughts that may or may not be useful.

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@wholesomedonut thank you!

lulu_powerful,
@lulu_powerful@fosstodon.org avatar

@leigh Thank you for taking up this issue. I've responded to the survey, but I forgot to note that I don't represent the instance I'm moderating - I'm just saying stuff as me. :D

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@lulu_powerful all good! still counts :)

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@lulu_powerful lmk if you got the calendar invite I just sent - check your spam folder if not

liaizon,
@liaizon@wake.st avatar

@leigh why are you referring to it as a retrospective? The attack is very much still active. I have gotten like 5 new servers attacking mine today alone

astrovore,
@astrovore@mstdn.games avatar

@leigh @andrew I don't think I have anything to add to the conversation but I'd love to listen in. Will DM email shortly but wanted to ask if you're planning on releasing a recording after the fact?

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@astrovore @andrew hey there! Not gonna do a recording, but will summarize and share the timeline and notes!

dairpo,
@dairpo@ottawa.place avatar

@leigh @andrew I don't have any of the necessary skills to help, but want to re-up my willingness to (financially) contribute to the cause (of ottawa.place)!

chessert,
@chessert@mastodon.online avatar

@leigh
Also someone with accessibility experience? (Not me.)

gunchleoc,
@gunchleoc@mastodon.scot avatar

Tagging in @aardrian and @weirdwriter @superblindman from my accessibility contacts. Are you interested in helping with designing anti-spam tools?

@chessert @leigh

aardrian,
@aardrian@toot.cafe avatar

@gunchleoc
Interested but too time-constrained to help.

@weirdwriter @superblindman @chessert @leigh

kissane,
@kissane@mas.to avatar

@leigh @andrew I love this

evan,
@evan@cosocial.ca avatar

@leigh @andrew I think the would be a great place to host such a meeting. @dmitri ?

julian,
@julian@fietkau.social avatar

@leigh My impression is it might be worthwhile to check in with @thisismissem if you don't want to reinvent existing work (see https://hachyderm.io/@thisismissem/111949447074925218), unless of course you're deliberately taking a blank slate approach. 🙂

For UX, the first person to come to my mind who might be interested in providing support is @scottjenson. I'd offer my own help, but all of my experience is academic and none of it has to do with spam or trust & safety...

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@julian @thisismissem @scottjenson I’ve been working on anti-spam and anti-abuse tools for over a decade, no blank slates here rest assured 🫠

julian,
@julian@fietkau.social avatar

@leigh Ah, sorry if that came across as a challenge to your expertise – I meant it more as a question of, do you want to join up with other people who are in the process of building these tools or do you want to get something completely fresh started. I could see either path leading to worthwhile results. 👍 @thisismissem @scottjenson

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@julian it was more that it assumed for some reason that I wasn’t familiar with the existing work, fwiw. I’m more interested in the current moment in identifying gaps in what’s being built already and collecting tools; hence the retro and design thinking strategy :)

thisismissem,
@thisismissem@hachyderm.io avatar

@leigh @julian definitely interested in hearing the results of your retro, if you'd like to share. A lot of the issues end up being that resources are spread too thinly. The IFTAS matrix can be a good discussion place.

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@thisismissem @julian I'd love to have you join if you're interested and the timezones work!

thisismissem,
@thisismissem@hachyderm.io avatar

@leigh @julian I'm usually about in EST, so there's probably so overlap.

julian,
@julian@fietkau.social avatar

@leigh I see! Alright yeah, that sounds like a solid plan. 🙂 I think I did misinterpret your original post a bit, maybe because I've seen a number of posts along the lines of "why is no one else tackling this problem, it can't be that hard can it" on my feed these past 48h. Best wishes for sure!

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@julian oh lol yeah no, it's genuinely a hard problem :)

npdoty,
@npdoty@techpolicy.social avatar

@leigh @andrew this sounds like such a great and useful community contribution!
@sprblm seems like a group of security ux/ur experts that might be interested
@georgia

georgia,
@georgia@mstdn.social avatar

@npdoty @leigh @andrew @sprblm

hi! Yes, interested. And there might be folks in our community who can contribute!

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@georgia @npdoty @andrew @sprblm ahhh yay Georgia I will bug you on one of the infinite mediums we're connected on lol

deborahh,
@deborahh@mstdn.ca avatar

@leigh @andrew and don't forget to add an experienced voice for accessibility!

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@deborahh @andrew as a fellow ADHD human I can confirm that the current tools are extremely NOT accessible 🤪🫠

deborahh,
@deborahh@mstdn.ca avatar

@leigh @andrew I saw messages today re inaccessibility of some spam-foiler being recommended by mastodon devs that was impossible for people using accessibility apps (screen readers? Dunno).

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@deborahh @andrew interesting! Was it on the admin side or a user facing app? (The discussion I am hoping to have is more on the admin tools side, for clarity)

deborahh,
@deborahh@mstdn.ca avatar

@leigh @andrew it may be that some admins need accessibility features, right? 😉

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@deborahh @andrew yes, including this one :)

deborahh,
@deborahh@mstdn.ca avatar

@leigh @andrew Right!

I was on a website yesterday that had small black text on a violent red background. Incredible. 😵‍💫 😢

One of the things I love about fedi is that posts are brief -- and readable, because we can adapt the interface. \o/
LOL

Thanks for what you do. 🙏

deborahh,
@deborahh@mstdn.ca avatar
leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@deborahh @andrew oh lol yeah hcaptcha specifically sucks

mathcolorstrees,
@mathcolorstrees@mstdn.social avatar

@deborahh @andrew @leigh do you have MLEs helping?

leigh,
@leigh@ottawa.place avatar

@mathcolorstrees @deborahh @andrew what is MLE in this context? 😅

andrew,
@andrew@ottawa.place avatar

Going to add the and tags to this and boost; if you’re seeing this show up on your timeline, @leigh is organizing a mini retro on the spam wave that’s been ongoing here on the fediverse (in the post I’m replying to) and if you’re interested, check it out!

janl,
@janl@narrativ.es avatar

@leigh I wonder if @fraying and/or @danhon would be up for this? (Sorry if noise)

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