ross,
@ross@fosstodon.org avatar

The Verge article on the best printer in 2024 is just completely brilliant in so many ways.

And also kinda sad.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/4/2/24117976/best-printer-2024-home-use-office-use-labels-school-homework

Jbasoo,
@Jbasoo@mastodon.social avatar

@ross Not only an indictment of the printer industry but of LLMs too. You can tell the author has just had enough.

ross,
@ross@fosstodon.org avatar

@Jbasoo Nikay is editor in chief. He does seem like a really smart guy who gets nuance and has a real mission. The episode of his own podcast where someone else interviews him is fascinating.

https://www.theverge.com/24087834/hank-green-decoder-podcast-google-youtube-web-media-platforms-distribution-future

3DPrintingDad,
@3DPrintingDad@fosstodon.org avatar

@ross Looks pretty much like the one we got over a decade ago for under $100. It has been rock solid and the generic toner we buy is dirt cheap.

Wish everything was that easy to maintain.

ChemicalTribe,
@ChemicalTribe@fosstodon.org avatar

@ross
Well, if Kyocera still was available, seems they are either gone in the US or something. They were the best for low cost printing.
@notjustbikes

simevidas,
@simevidas@mastodon.social avatar

@ross I have a large HP scanner/printer, but something broke, and now every time I want to print something, I have to re-enter the current date because the machine refuses to print anything if the date is not set. I usually set it to 01-01-2020 via the keypad. If I ever need a new printer, I’ll be sure to get a brother.

cynblogger,
@cynblogger@sfba.social avatar

@ross
I’ve posted this before but what the hell:
I ran my business for 20 years with two Brother laser printers. No service calls. No failures. Very heavy daily printing requirements. Reasonable toner & drum costs. They were still operating the day I retired and retired them.

Andres4NY,
@Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it avatar

@ross "Neither has fallen off the WiFi or insisted I sign up for an ink-related hostage situation or" 😂

dxzdb,
@dxzdb@mastodon.social avatar

@ross That doesn't have a scanner does it?

Totally agreed that people love to bash HP.

I'm using HP instant ink and it's a fine subscription. You set how many prints you want and pay for it. The ink shows up and the printer seems to work. If I didn't need color or a scanner/copier and wanted to spend more I could move to a laser printer.

Some people seem to be really riled by the fact that ink cartridges from the subscription don't work after you stop paying. That's how it works.

Crazypedia,
@Crazypedia@pagan.plus avatar

@ross Sysadmin here that does some printer support. I have a Brother at home and I trust it to work like no other brand or type of printer I've worked on. That is a remarkable achievement and resounding endorsement from this jaded burnt out tech professional.

Do yourself a kindness if you print at home and get a brother laser printer 🖨

enobacon,
@enobacon@urbanists.social avatar

@ross in 2024, I wouldn't give a printer wifi access even if it's not an HP one (unless it has open source code with no phoning home to corporate.) I know the article is actually about a different enshittification department but.

ross,
@ross@fosstodon.org avatar

Holy crap! I need to write me some angst and irony filled articles about printers. This is crazy!!

chris,
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    @chris You should absolutely revel in your proximity to my re-broadcasting greatness!!! 🤴

    skc,
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    @ross @chris I need to update my profile bio around my connection to Ross!

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  • jens,
    @jens@social.finkhaeuser.de avatar

    @chris @skc @ross We can call this connection... "band of brother(s)".

    Yeah, yeah, I know the way out.

    peppe,
    @peppe@fosstodon.org avatar

    @ross That's what I get when you flush down those beans 🤣 I better hold off with my 'snarky' remarks (again) :birthdaymsn:

    JeffCodes,
    @JeffCodes@fosstodon.org avatar

    @ross I have a larger model with the scanner and feeder tray, DPC L2550DW, because it was the only I could find during the 'Rona times. It's a beast. There is a reason that nearly every car mechanic shop has a Brother printer still printing invoices while caked in dust, oil, grease, stacks car parts, and the occasional shop .
    As others have pointed out, great support!

    fazalmajid,
    @fazalmajid@vivaldi.net avatar

    @ross Nilay Patel is a national treasure

    ross,
    @ross@fosstodon.org avatar

    @fazalmajid I think he’s an international one.

    persimoirre,
    @persimoirre@fosstodon.org avatar

    @ross I think our Brother HL-2140 might be turning 18 this year. It's seen our household through four degrees and a couple years' WFH. Raspberry Pi as its print server. If it ever dies I guess I'll find a duplex model.

    msokolov,
    @msokolov@fosstodon.org avatar

    @ross where is your fauxtrage though?!

    ross,
    @ross@fosstodon.org avatar

    @msokolov Sorry. I’m bad at following instructions. 🤷

    msokolov,
    @msokolov@fosstodon.org avatar

    @ross nvm thanks for sparing us the dramarama

    elilla,
    @elilla@transmom.love avatar

    @ross I advise looking up online for how's the Linux support before buying a random old Brother like I did

    Theodrake,
    @Theodrake@ioc.exchange avatar

    @elilla @ross works great with my Mac, Linux box, and Android phones!!!

    TheLancashireman,
    @TheLancashireman@hostux.social avatar

    @Theodrake @elilla @ross
    From experience with my old DCP150C (inkjet), Linux drivers are binary-only and never got updated. So as long as your linux runs on x86 and has 32-bit support, you're fine. Raspberry pi? forget it.
    Perhaps the "airprint" feature is better - I don't know.
    I'm now a happy user of an Epson 2815 - also inkjet, but with tanks, not cartridges.

    jaseg,
    @jaseg@chaos.social avatar

    @TheLancashireman The epson ink tank ones have a really weird DRM racket on its waste ink sponges though. Like, you can refill the ink tanks just fine, but Epson charges you something like $50 for replacing the $1 waste ink sponge after a couple years and put some bullshit in their firmware to enforce that limit.

    bjb,
    @bjb@fosstodon.org avatar

    @ross I have a brother laser printer, it is everything the article says.

    wsrphoto,
    @wsrphoto@sfba.social avatar

    @ross Two requirements for me, color prints and duplex printing. This printer does neither. Single side printing requires more paper or printing alternate pages on two runs. That's not efficient, especially if you don't get page alignment right to keep page order. My HP 450 DN has been a workhorse for 10+ years no. My previous HP color, duplex printer still work but HP dropped driver to use it.

    ross,
    @ross@fosstodon.org avatar

    @wsrphoto Yeah. I get that if you have use cases for those things.

    The additional cost is not worth it for me or many people.

    bluGill,
    bluGill avatar

    @wsrphoto

    @ross That printer does duplex printing - I know as I have it. (brother makes several models, the article is about whatever is on sale, I waited until the week the model with duplex as on sale and thus the cheapest option).

    You can get brother lasers with color as well, but they are never the cheapest thing on sale. For most people though they are better off sending their color printing needs to the nearest store and picking it up on the next errant.

    wsrphoto,
    @wsrphoto@sfba.social avatar

    @bluGill @ross for the information. I have an Epson R2400 printer for prints up to 11"x14". The HP 450 is good color printer for everyday use, but cartridges aren't cheap, around $450 for all four.

    jaseg,
    @jaseg@chaos.social avatar

    @ross They're on point. I bought one of those brother cheapies for less than 100€ recently, and it's working great. Apparently they have been churning out my exact model for at least ten years now. It doesn't have wifi, has no cloud integration, doesn't even have a display, but just works without a fuss, and does an adequate job.

    Zitruskeks,
    @Zitruskeks@chaos.social avatar

    @jaseg @ross I still have my 15 years old Kyocera FS-1300D. It has 6LED that clearly communicate its status, a chunky real power switch, it has no wifi (to be fair not even LAN, so it dangles on a lan to usb print server), I have forgotten when I last changed toner (that i all bought 15 years ago) and it is just there and prints when i need a print and nothing else.

    andrico,
    @andrico@front-end.social avatar

    @ross wow, I can't believe they used AI to write this. So much outrage

    ross,
    @ross@fosstodon.org avatar

    @andrico I think it was only the second half.

    andrico,
    @andrico@front-end.social avatar

    @ross

    "Don’t feel compelled to do it; my only ask is that you make this article go viral by sharing it in faux-outrage that the EIC of The Verge has published an article partially generated by AI"

    I was just doing what I was told to 😛

    ross,
    @ross@fosstodon.org avatar

    @andrico You played the game well👏👏👏

    jens,
    @jens@social.finkhaeuser.de avatar

    @andrico @ross Thank you! I was missing the outrage in the OP. Particularly after the article author requested it.

    sarajw,
    @sarajw@front-end.social avatar

    @ross I can feel the dejection oozing out of just the title, never mind the rest

    ross,
    @ross@fosstodon.org avatar

    @sarajw Isn’t it just.

    richlv,
    @richlv@mastodon.social avatar

    @ross @sarajw
    And this paragraph is gold.
    With links to back it all up.
    With "people mad" poking Google at https://www.theverge.com/2023/11/1/23942564/googles-danny-sullivan-responds-to-our-piece-about-the-culture-of-seo-hustlers .

    richlv,
    @richlv@mastodon.social avatar

    @ross @sarajw
    And they seem to be annoyed at Google in more ways than one :)

    (skimming over that section I can confirm it's not worth reading)

    DanHakimi,
    @DanHakimi@mastodon.social avatar

    @richlv @ross @sarajw rightly so, Google is quite ridiculous.

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    @mijndert I have an HP Laserjet mono printer. Has lasted years. Utterly reliable. Maintenance free (other than occasional toner replacements). Definitely the way.

    scruss,
    @scruss@xoxo.zone avatar

    @ross @mijndert old HP printers were good. New ones are trash

    (We're on our third "just buy this" Brother laser. We gave the other two to people who needed them, not that they failed. The fact they work with AirPrint so every device automatically sees them and can use them is magic.)

    mijndert,
    @mijndert@fosstodon.org avatar

    @scruss @ross airprint is an absolute necessity for me, can't go back to fiddling with drivers.

    dxzdb,
    @dxzdb@mastodon.social avatar

    @mijndert @scruss @ross does Brother not have that?

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