the conversation should never be about reddit losing, it's about the users winning. And I personally feel like I won. I showed my support for Christian and 3rd party apps, I abondoned ship quickly and I've found a new home on the fediverse.
I also stopped using facebook and instagram 18 months ago. They both still exist, but I won. I'm happier now without it. Job done.
This is the mindset people should be having. Reddit is gonna be fine regardless of all this, and time will only tell if the Fediverse becomes big enough to be a competitor as a social media platform.
Truthfully, I was on the fence of leaving Reddit because of how much I didn’t like the hivemind there on the majority of subs. I still go on there for my niche and specific communities that aren’t on the Fediverse, but I pretty much just lurk there once every so often instead of actively participate - I instead actively participate on the Fediverse because the community is genuinely waaaaaay better than Reddit’s community ever was, even with the FOSS app gatekeepers here.
the conversation should never be about reddit losing, it's about the users winning.
if only. Lotta people really thought they could make reddit worried and that if they rebelled enough they could fix reddit. If it wasn't going to work after that 2-3 day blackout, it wasn't going to work. The mod in that article said it best:
“More than a month has passed, and as things on the internet go, the passion for the protest has waned and people’s attention has shifted to other things,” an r/aww moderator wrote in a post about the rule change.
And yeah, attention span on the internet is low. If you can't fix, it's best to start rebuilding what you want elsewhere. The best time for a backup community was 5 years ago; the second best time is now, so we don't have this problem of "where do we go from Reddit?" in another 5 years. If more people had the courage to leave, it may have ended in a better protest than these attempts to ruin the IPO or whatever.
Better to play the long game for now. This won't be the last drama, and it's simply better to make sure any jank is fixed for the next time people get frustrated and seek greener pastures. That slow burn is how we create a proper platform.
Reddit's admins don't recognize that they have very few levers to control the mod teams. They don't pay them, they don't give them any special benefits or consideration, and they (clearly) don't even respect them either. All that's left is the stick of removal, and that's only as threatening as the person is committed to being a mod on a site that clearly views them as a disposable tool.
They've already replaced some mod teams with new people, and i suspect that'll continue, and likely cause enormous disruption as people discover being the mod of a large subreddit sucks and is very tedious, dull work that isn't actually fun at all.
Considering how much money reddit makes off the vast amount of free labor provided to the site you'd think they'd have more sense, but, here we are.
Musk didn't buy Twitter to make money, Musk bought twitter along with his Saudi Arabian investors, to buy the conversation, and kill it, and in that he is reaping all the benefit he was looking for, as well as access to the Saudi market
I seen some people theorize that some power mods got paid (or is it payed? Idk which one the reddit bot used to say lol) by Reddit, specifically i saw some ppl say that about awkwardtheturtle who got banned, but am not sure if its true or just a conspiracy theory, or ppl tryna make sense of someone caping so hard for a company and antagonizing regular ppl for free lol.
The crazy part is Reddit had a profit sharing agreement with RIF... and was actually making revenue off it for a while. Then Spez shut it down with little or no negotiation in 2016.
I found this to be really confusing. On the one hand, they're losing so much revenue from 3rd party app users. On the other hand, 0.0001% of redditors use 3rd party apps. You can't have it both ways, spez.
Yup, I was a mod of GME, a sub with 300k people and was going to stop using Reddit when Apollo turned off. Thankfully Lemmy actually seems like a legit replacement and there are some decent apps available in Test Flight currently.
Spez will destroy his own company long before IPO, can’t wait to buy long dated puts when they IPO.
It would be absolutely horrible if when the site inevitably becomes even more poorly moderated and overrun by neo-nazi adjacent content, if we were to collect some evidence of this and tragically send it directly to a few media outlets. It would be so horrible if those outlets then covered reddit like they cover Voat and 4chan now. A true tragedy it would be if reddit lost 80% of its advertisers overnight due to this.
The way I see it, all of us who migrated here won. Enshitification is eventually going to kill reddit, the only question is when. I’ll grab some popcorn when it happens, but for now won’t worry about it and just enjoy my time here on Lemmy.
It won't die. It will just hollow out. Same as Digg. Same as Facebook, Twitter, and every other shitty part of the internet. The power users are what make the internet the magical place it is. Without those people, the sites will still work... but they won't be as great as they were before their respective turning points. It's a cycle it seems.
The result is still basically the same IMHO. It’s like saying “it won’t die, it will just turn into a zombie” … sure it’ll still move, but it’s dead inside and rotting on the outside either way, devoid of the life and soul it once had.
Meanwhile here, I find most engagements thoughtful and written because people want to engage. Sure, a few assholes post stupid shit or try to be mean, but most are just trying to participate in good faith.
Lemmy is open-source software. If the project root starts doing something stupid or gets abandoned, it can just be forked by someone else and it will live on.
I agree with you. Actually, Lemmy woke me up to how much reddit had already been enshitified. I didn’t realize that I had stopped commenting altogether because the subs were so big that either no one saw your stuff, or there was always some one pissed off who felt the need to respond. Lemmy reminds me of reddit the way it was when I joined 12 years ago.
And forget about trying to post articles on any subreddit. Always buried with 0 votes, because some bot network is trying to promote the latest Barbie movie or whatever.
Or subs like gaming having posts with 4 comments and 7,000 up votes “I was recently diagnosed with stage 7 cancer and my dog died, but I created this game as my final contribution to humanity, here’s a trailer.”
2D Hollow Knight rip off video
Comments: “Wow amazing graphics!” “Is it on steam?!” “Looks amazing!” “I neeeeeed this!!”
Not sure if you only posted on the mainsubs or what but Reddit really did hit that “hyper specific topic conversation” for me. Like up to the protests I could make a meme about a topic or reply to a post and have good discussions. When I deleted all my posts I deleted some of the top of all time posts off some subs lol.
Lemmy still hasnt hit that for me, I’m another in a swarm of people saying Lemmy doesn’t fulfill my topic based sub needs. Like I’m currently obsessed with Marvel Snap and loved the subreddit. The lemmy version is dead af. And I try to converse and interact but none of the lemmy filters for posts seem to show the posts reliably to me and I have to remember to go check it. The Spider-Man PS4 sub was another favorite of mine to interact with and I ended up having to make it for Lemmy and it’s got like 80 subscribers and I make a point to comment on every post but it’s still not getting much conversation going 😞
do you really need a forum to talk about marvel snap? lol. just saying that card game is pretty fun but easy. what is there to talk about? (tongue in cheek)
It might not even kill it. Facebook is still kicking, after all, for all its enshittification. It's just... idk, some of us were freed to move on to a more satisfying experience. That's all. Life continues here, life continues there
facebook's on the decline, meta's betting on instagram since that's what the kids use. facebook is for boomers to looking at family vacation photos and nazi radicalising and is a legacy service at this point.
do you know what a ‘boomer’ is? it’s slang for ‘baby boomer’ and it’s a specific age range of people born at specific times. plenty of people younger than that are on FB every day. just saying, if you didn’t know what ‘boomer’ was, it doesn’t just mean ‘old person’.
Maybe Facebook got so big and their search is so good that people just stopped using Google search for it, but I have a hard time believing that can be responsible for a drop of this magnitude.
I would say you're probably right. Remember this old gem?
Facebook (the page) is dead in the sense that its parent company changed their name to not be the same as their (once powerhouse) product. Facebook trademark is so unbelievably cursed due to what it became that they’re pretending that it does not exist.
Meta is focusing on Instagram for now. They could’ve launched Threads within Facebook (I think it was at some point) but they choose not to. Instagram is how they reach out to the people.
This means that Facebook was enshittified successfully. It does not serve any purpose now.
I don’t think Reddit has the same choice as they don’t really have means to pivot to something else. It will just cease to be… Or not.
I understand why the didn’t do threads in Facebook incase they need to shut it down. Kinda like how they have Messenger then purchased WhatsApp but never integrated it if they want to shut one down.
Yeah, I agree with this suspiciously named man. Whether it happens sooner or later, Reddit’s death is on the horizon, as it will keep making the wrong choices and so steadily lose those communities and content that built it in the first place.
I agree. I don’t think we’re there yet, but next time the they give people another reason to leave the Lemmy/kbin ecosystem will be even more appealing. Simply the app and dev community here is really exploding.
Have you been to digg recently? It’s a buzzfeed clone. Just because the brand is still around doesn’t mean it’s the same product at all
It’s like if I bought Nike and then killed off all their product lines and only sold high viscosity lithium grease. Yeah Nike would be around, but it would be meaningless beyond that
There’s a big difference between “die” like Facebook where less people are joining and using it, but it still functions as a “keep in touch with your family” site, and “die” like Digg whose community doesn’t exist at all, almost as if it got bought out by another company for the brand name only.
One bright spot about living in the post-apocalyptic hellscape we're trending towards is that there's a pretty good chance that your local warlord will decide that capturing former billionaires and making them fight to the death is a fun way to bring everyone together.
They can stick their api up their ass, i want them to burn.
That's my position too now. Until a week ago or so, I was holding out hope that reddit would change course and work something out with the app developers, now I hope reddit burns and turns into a complete shit heap.
Thanks to /u/Spez for opening his mouth, and to the admins for how they "handled" the protests.
This is exactly my thought process. They chose every wrong way to handle this possible. I was there almost a decade, but now I'm trying to find my new "home." There's no going back anymore.
Yeah the article ends up pretty much making this point too:
We’re at the dawn of a platform shift. As Google tunes its algorithms and incorporates more AI content into its search results, the business model of the entire internet is undergoing an unpredictable change. Over the long term, Reddit’s scrambling efforts at financial security may prove just as futile as the moderators’ attempts to fight back.
I'm really glad to be out from under all that corporate social media bs.
I'd like to introduce the gizmodo.com writers to the term Pyrrhic victory. One look at /r/all and it's become nothing but reposts and memes that are hours, if not days old.
Reddit drove out its most important users - the moderators and content creators. They have enough old content to keep their viewership for awhile, but they'll never regain the community trust they've lost. And this will continue to kill their influx of new material, which will inevitably erode the viewer base.
Do I think reddit will die? No, it will continue on, just as have slashdot and fark and other staple communities from the same era, but the highwater mark of the community as the "front page of the internet" is long past.
Yep was going to say aww, video and pics are just dime a dozen memes that Facebook, twitter, whatever all do. Reddit USP was niche community that I have to admit i have not been able.to 100% escape. But I was hartnened that when watching good omens the sub I posted on for s1 is locked during s2.
In addition, the fallout is not over. Until recently I was using a 3rd party app that was only barred from signing in to reddit, I was still able to read and navigate the website. Now it seems that they have cut that access off so that drove me to create an account here.
I’ll still use reddit whenever I’m at my pc on weekdays, but if content moves elsewhere I will likely follow and wean off reddit further.
To be fair, it's been like that for a while. Just look at /r/videos. #11 sub on reddit. 30 million subscribers.
Right now:
3k online
top post is 18hrs old, 3k upvotes, 200 comments.
second top post is 10hrs old, 65 upvotes, 11 comments. This little thread we're in has more comments and will likely soon have more upvotes. This magazine has 1000 subscribers. /r/videos claims to have 30 million. It doesn't add up.
I strongly suspect reddit is lying about the true numbers. If you factor in repost bots, porn bots, and bots which increasingly repost comments from previous posts or comments from off site, reddit often feels abandoned.
Subreddits like /r/videos? Everyone left for tiktok.
Just look elsewhere on the site. Supposedly they have 500 million regular users, but if that's the case why is no one upvoting or commenting on anything? And it's summer, so the kids have far more free time.
But of course they're not upvoting or commenting, they're all on tiktok or wherever. Reddit has become a legacy social media.
Obviously, the fediverse is even more niche, but we're not pretending to be incredibly popular and don't need to boost our numbers for a looming IPO.
Agreed - I think that the trend was in play already. The protests tapped into it and definitely accelerated it, but the decline in the quality of posting and commentary has been steadily increasing since 2015. I personally mark the sudden popularity of The_Donald as the point at which the community started to die - the influx of Russian trolls, bots, and their 4chan goon squads was the beginning of the end for intelligent discussion on the site in my opinion.
Slashdot is actually a fairly active community that was never aspiring to be the "front page of the internet". As far as I can tell, it's about as popular as it ever was. And Fark isn't much different...slighlty less users than in the past, but they have some active content creators.
The comparison you're looking for is Digg. That was the previous "front page of the internet" before they committed suicide and handed the title to Reddit. Now they are a news aggregate site where almost all content is created by bots. This is the path Reddit is travelling down. Completely curated, AI generated, with bots commenting to create the illusion of engagement. It's almost there now. The amount of reposted content and copied comments has increased substantially over the last few years. And with the availability of LLMs now, it will only get worse.
Wait until the IPO, if it ever happens. The site will transform into a news aggregator ran by bots. No one will care about it anymore once Spez cashes out, or if he can't then the entire thing will implode dramatically. Just like Digg.
Lol - shows you how old I am. There was a point, pre-Digg and pre-Reddit, where Slashdot was the premiere news aggregation site (circa 2000 - 2004) followed closely by Fark.com as the premiere shitposting site... mainly because they were the first to use the post/commentary style that made Reddit and Digg so popular. Slashdot didn't aspire to this point of prominence - they simply assumed it because there was nothing else out there at the time that was as good.
You're correct that when Reddit and Digg came on the scene, they pretty much erased the concept of Slashdot or Fark being the "frontpage of the internet". Neither site died, as you note, and Slashdot in particular continued to maintain an active community that persists to this day by keeping their content tech-focused and not fucking with the user experience that made them popular in the first place.
I chose Fark and Slashdot as examples because I think unlike Digg (which just completely collapsed), I do see Reddit communities persisting in a similar reduced form.
Of course Reddit will carry on. But it will never be what it was. It will transform into an admin driven site, as opposed to a user driven site. The big subs will stay popular, filled with posts from admins posing as users, like in the early days. It this time it will be completely curated, and assisted by LLMs that will create the content that gets approved by admins. And posts will drive an algorithm, as opposed to just creating filler.
Really, a better comparison is Facebook, where content is constantly generated but very little is by actual users. You can scroll endlessly and never see the same thing twice. Which is exactly what Reddit is designed for. But Reddit will go one step further with LLM generated comments to goad real people into engaging. It's already happening now with low quality repost bots. Once admins control it, Reddit will be a sea of high quality bots talking to other high quality bots. And no one will know the difference. It'll look great from a numbers point of view when going for the IPO. But in a few years, it will essentially be a Facebook clone.
Good for them, but the damage is already done. They seeded this place with a lot of users. Will it be enough? Who knows. But Lemmy is probably a looooot further along than if they didn’t shoot themselves in the foot.
This place obviously needs to continue with good content and active communities, but at moment I don’t really have the urge to open Reddit they way things are.
I lurked on reddit for years. I was lurking here for a couple weeks now but thought I should make an account to contribute. Reddit has gone down hill and I’ll never go back.
I'm glad to have moved to lemmy. It feels raw and real, vs reddits polished curated feel. As if I'm actually reading posts by people. And I like that is doesn't get me scrolling too much.
The host of a tech podcast I listen to has had a Mastodon instance for years. I knew of the Fediverse because of that, but I always thought of it as decentralized Twitter and not necessarily a way to decentralize all types of social media platforms.
When RiF died I deleted my accounts and found my way here. I still open a couple of niche subreddits from time to time just to check on updates but otherwise my time on Reddit is done. 2010-2023 (damn I hate to admit that).
Yup, I saw the paltry userbase and didn’t bother. Other alternatives like lobste.rs and Tildes were a bit too closed, so I just stuck with Reddit. When Reddit decided to be stupid, I tried out lemmy and haven’t looked back.
Thee developers really crunched over July. It went from a niche beta platform to fully featured third-party apps and a ton of platform optimizations in a month, which is really impressive.
Yeah, even when I’ve had the urge to check Reddit for something I’m trying to figure out, I will do everything I can to avoid it. And if I can’t, I try to determine how much I care about what I’m searching before I even give them a single click. It’s a small, insignificant protest, but it’s a forever protest, for me. I’m happy on lemmy, I don’t browse as much, I interqct with more of the community and want to help build it. On Reddit, I felt dirty because of everything they’ve been doing the last 5 or so years. Tencent, killing third party apps slowly and then in one fell swoop, etc. fuck ‘em
I've had to visit Reddit twice since the protests started, to get information from a specific user. Both times, I used Brave browser in Private mode. They didn't get to count me as a login, they couldn't serve me ads, and their trackers were blocked.
I don't anticipate needing to go back to Reddit ever again, but for anyone who can't avoid it, I recommend that method.
This isn’t related to the article, but I wanted to pick at the ‘benefits of slavery’ question.
I think it’s important to acknowledge the ‘benefits’ of slavery, because it’s important to remember who it benefitted and at who’s expense. To claim that it benefits no one would be to deny the greed and callousness that spawned these human rights abuses.
Slavery in the past has brought massive advantages and benefits to many people today through the accumulation of intergenerational wealth, at the expense of minorities who are still systematically denied access to this wealth. To claim that these benefits don’t exist would be to diminish the scale of issues slavery has brought, and is still bringing, to modern day.
It's important to note who benefited from it and how, because it explains why there was such a fight to stop an obviously cruel and barbaric practice. Even the Founding Fathers knew it was wrong, but most of them still did it. They kicked the problem down the road because tobacco wasn't profitable to grow in America anymore, so they thought the "problem" would solve itself in a generation or two. Then the Cotton Gin made slavery profitable, so it boomed.
We need to be able to talk how it was beneficial, and who benefited from it, so we can see why it was so hard to end. Because we have a very similar problem with fossil fuels, and capitalism. They're both destroying the world and causing us to do barbaric things to people. But there's resistance to ending dependence on both, because they have benefits, even though most of those benefits go to an elite few.
Mount Vernon (George Washington’s estate) does a pretty good job of exploring that mind set without ever justifying slavery or down playing the horrific nature of it. American society was built on slavery, so the people born at the top and benefiting from it would have no reason to question, is this right, because if it’s not then all the people who raised me were evil and that can’t be true.
There is a lot of similarities between the slave owner class of the civil war and the “capitalist elite” of today. “Why ban slavery if I’m not enslaved and could maybe one day own a slave” is about like “why tax billionaires if I don’t need the government and I might one day be a billionaire?”.
Yes, I think people don’t like it because they think any time you use a word with a positive connotation (“benefit”), you must be speaking positively.
Another example is “brave”. Let’s talk about the woman who got shot to death while storming the US capitol. If you say she was brave, people will assume you side with Trump and the insurrectionists. But she was absolutely brave. But also deluded.
These mental shortcuts are reinforced all the time, and we really have to force ourselves to think critically (and cynically) to overcome them.
you would think that a “language model” would have “connotation” high on its list of priorities - being that is a huge part of the form and function of language.
I’m convinced it’s only purpose is actually to give tech C-level and VPs some bullshit to say for roughly 18-36 months now that “blockchain” and “pandemic disruption” are dead.
Exactly correct, I agree. LLMs will change the world, but 90% of purported use cases are nothing but hot air.
But when you can tell your phone “go find a picture of an eggplant, put a smiley face on it, and send it to Bill”, that’s going to be pretty neat. And it’s coming in the next decade. Of course that requires a different model than we have now (text to instruction, not text to text). But it’s coming.
Yes, I think people don’t like it because they think any time you use a word with a positive connotation (“benefit”), you must be speaking positively.
Although I agree with your overall point, in this case I think people don't like it because that's how it's most recently been used in this context.
DeSantis, however, is continuing to defend Florida’s new curriculum, which covers a broad range of topics and includes the assertion for middle school instruction that “slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit.”
their personal benefit... personal?? it's not like slaves could quit, and find another job. if they developed skills, it helped them perform their forced labour, and so the benefit is all to their owner and master.
I assume he meant that benefitted them after emancipation. Or something.
Go to the Atlanta History Museum sometime, their civil war exhibit has a whole section of "were the slaves really better after being freed" shit that's pretty disgusting.
“Yeah we freed them, but we were allowed to restructure our laws to keep them subjugated and continued to treat them as subhuman. So was it really worth it?”.
Reconstruction should have, at a minimum, barred any supporter of the Confederacy from holding office again, or, even better, had the leaders hanged as traitors. Instead we let them continue just with “banned” slavery (except for as punishment for a crime).
We then allowed slave owners to write the laws to integrate formerly enslaved people into their society, and, surprise surprise, they structured the laws to benefit themselves and keep the formerly enslaved as second class. So instead of “was ending slavery worth it?”. It should be asking “was keeping slavers alive worth it?” as we are still dealing with the consequences of that today.
I get what you’re saying but I don’t think she perceived she was in any danger, so I don’t think she showed bravery. She was probably too stupid to understand there could be real consequences.
“Brave” would have been facing 4 years with a president who made her uncomfortable instead of throwing a big tantrum.
Legalese like this is really important in terms of being precise. Say Trump tweeted it, and they can prove he didn’t (he got an assistant to do it) and that evidence may get thrown out
Nope, no rephrasing. That’s literally what the double jeopardy rule is about. The government gets a monopoly on violence, and we expect them to use that monopoly only within certain limits. Without those limits you get authoritarian dictatorships and really scary stuff such as found in the Catholic/Protestant wars in England’s history.
An example of how rephrasing is not allowed:
A number of years back, there was some outrage over a case where a rapist got off “on a technicality” that was headlined in various places as “the judge ruled it wasn’t rape because the severely mentally disabled victim could have objected”. The real issue was that the prosecutor decided, as a strategy to get more jail time for the guy, that they would charge him under a law against raping an unconscious person, but the truth was that the victim was not unconscious. The government is only allowed one shot at trying you for a crime though. If the prosecutor applies the wrong law, they don’t get a do over. The guy absolutely was a disgusting rapist, but he didn’t rape an unconscious person in this instance, and so he gets off scot free.
It’s vitally important that a prosecutor applies exactly the right words, because they are only allowed one shot. If a not-guilty verdict comes back for any reason, including for technicalities, that’s it. Not guilty (for that crime) forever.
I hope the verb “tweeted” dies soon. It sounds so childlike. “Posted” is a perfectly good word to describe publishing a message online.
And the service isn’t even called Twitter anymore. I don’t want to live in a future where news anchors start saying a celebrity “X’ed” in response to this or that.
I kinda just hope we all decide one day that the past tense of “tweet” is “twat”. Doubly so now that it would mean that legal documents about the most important political issue of my lifetime would now have to include the phrase “…DONALD JOHN TRUMP caused to be twat…”
I mean it’s pretty damned true though. Reddit won their stupid fight. They were always going to. Yeah they lost a lot of users, but there still a ton of users left.
They probably paid for the title but the article isn’t actually that peachy, I’d say its assessment is accurate. The Reddit sub protest is over, and technically spez got his way, but the platform has been damaged and may recover or may begin to die out and be replaced.
I doubt it given the way the article ends- it suggests that while reddit’s leadership got it’s way, that the incident might still have damaged the platform’s reputation and that in the long term reddit might not be successful in it’s attempts to be profitable either. I’d imagine a paid article would have a more positive or confidence-inducing message than that.
The comments on the post the mods made yesterday about discord are awful. “Get over yourselves,” “Spez owned you guys,” “Why would we go to Didcord, we chose Reddit.” They’re all from accounts that are 8+ years old that have never interacted on MFA or didn’t start commenting until Rexxit started.
I agree it’s a great name, but I am still annoyed by it’s real world counterpart. I guess brexit was all about racism and corporate greed, while rexxit is the same but opposite.
It's not a great replacement for a forum experience, a "I need to search for an answer to a specific question" experience, or anything like that.
But for the sense of community that people tended to identify with their favorite subs? I think it's a pretty solid platform. Still has all the same issues regarding any centralized service run by a company, but that's going to be the case for the vast majority of replacements until there's a major paradigm shift across the world.
But one of the worst for everything else it tries to be or people try to use it for, like help forums. It’s a black hole for information. They’ve taken steps to mitigate that, but it remains a half-baked solution.
Sure, but probably the worst for community-forum style content. Links expire, information moves all over the place, no search indexing for engines, can’t view content if you aren’t in the server already, basically impossible to have discussions about anything older than the current day. It doesn’t work for a lot of use cases that reddit/lemmy do.
Agreed, and I never said it is a good reddit replacement. I think discord is lightyears ahead of previous platforms that it replaced like Ventrillo, Teamspeak, AIM, Whatsapp, ICQ, etc etc etc
Sure; it's just so good at being a chat app that it makes a terrible forum.
My understanding is that it can be done and with a whole host of third party tools and bots and a little legion of mods - but that's a ton of work both setup and ongoing, just to reshape Discord into the sort of format that Reddit or Kbin/Lemmy offer pretty much right out the box.
Oh yeah no, I don’t disagree that going to discord of all places is a horrible idea. I hate discord and I hate that people are trying to use it as community alternatives, but the real issue is the Reddit apologism.
Discord is good for live chat, but horrible for aggregation and public discussion. I mean that’s why most of us are here, because the platform works well for our needs. Supposedly Discord has a forum, but I’ve never seen a link to it on the regular site and from what I understand it doesn’t get much traffic. It’s simply not in a position to be an alternative to Reddit.
To clarify: the decision they just reversed was the one that took all of those good inclusive books OUT of the regular stock for Book Fairs and only sent them if you specifically opted IN to receive them.
They’ll no longer segregate them but they will continue to carry them.
Thank you to the thousands of school librarians who tore into them for having cowed to the overly-vocal bigoted minority that is pushing book bans.
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