aral, to random
@aral@mastodon.ar.al avatar

Encrypted messaging provider: “We make our money selling this to the police.”

Tech folks: This is cool and normal.

colin_brosseau,

@aral

Could you please give us a source?

gutocarvalho, to random Portuguese
@gutocarvalho@bolha.us avatar

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  • oigreslima,

    @gutocarvalho Eu criei uma conta na (segundo o ótimo texto que vocês publicaram)... mas como já rolou por aqui, acho que não é com esse discurso da superioridade moral que vamos trazer as pessoas para as alternativas!

    Eu até entendo o argumento, mas a questão é mais complicada... porque não se trata só de eu mudar, mas dos meus contatos também!

    Como disseram, vamos pregar para os "não convertidos" :-)

    parsa, to random

    They sell services, not the messages you idiots!

    dgold, to random

    fucking knew since day one that there was something off about the entire matrix-chat thing, from the list of sponsors to weird vibes from the founders and leaders of the project.

    their software is about the only thing that’s worse than their politics. still appalled that people like moved their entire communities into the hands of such awful people.

    Wyndix, to random Spanish

    You guys know the current police drama right? https://mastodon.matrix.org/@element/110340953550548309

    This is the worst thread I've honestly seen in a lot of time. The person behind Element's Mastodon account wasn't even rude, at all.

    Meanwhile people in the thread are telling them to f### off just because they are providing encrypted communications to governments and aren't afraid to make it clear.

    What has the fediverse become.

    liaizon, to random
    @liaizon@wake.st avatar

    welp I guess my mentions are gonna be going off for a while. thanks a lot element

    realcaseyrollins,
    @realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world avatar

    @liaizon @crtbob I’m confused, what did / do exactly? Market their software to the police?

    CKsTechNews, to random

    :

    "Yes, we fund dev by selling encrypted messaging to governments, which includes police: if you don’t like that then please feel free to use a different app."

    https://mastodon.matrix.org/@element/110340953550548309

    Decentralize, to random
    @Decentralize@dt.gl avatar

    "Yes, we fund Matrix dev by selling encrypted messaging to governments, which includes police: if you don’t like that then please feel free to use a different app."

    https://mastodon.matrix.org/@element/110340953550548309

    gabriel,

    @Decentralize I don't understand the problem.
    Would we prefer that governments and law enforcement fund proprietary development that nobody else can benefit from?

    This shouldn't necessarily even be news, because the moment element (or even mastodon!) launched managed hosting, this became a real possibility.

    TaraSkywalker, to opensource

    What’s the best #FOSS alternative to #Discord?

    Featuring as many as possible of:

    • Chat channels
    • Voice channels
    • Mobile apps
    • Decentralisation
    • Custom emoji/stickers
    • Decent UX

    #opensource #chat

    parsa,
    atomicpoet, to internet

    What will be the tangible difference between the BGS that is making for AT protocol and a really well-connected relay operated with ?

    The more I think about it, the more I don’t know.

    darnell,
    @darnell@one.darnell.one avatar

    @atomicpoet Is it me, or does appear unnecessarily complex‽ At least for the foundational aspect of what is trying to do‽ might not be advanced, but it’s simple enough for the average non-tech person to understand (even if they do not understand the “how” of the ).

    Reminds me of a scene from :

    https://youtu.be/MCbXhsXYkPM

    quincy, to random
    @quincy@chaos.social avatar

    FLOSS projects should be accessible in FLOSSy ways.

    #matrix not #discord

    scy, (edited ) to random
    @scy@chaos.social avatar

    So @element took part in the European Police Congress in Berlin, had a booth and presentation there, and is proudly posting on the fedi about it.

    https://mastodon.matrix.org/@element/110304013472307767
    https://mastodon.matrix.org/@element/110310853505977058

    I’m currently paying them $11.90 a month to host my homeserver on their EMS platform.

    My payment in April will have been the last.

    It’s one thing to provide FLOSS comms to the government. It’s another to proudly support our fucked up police system.

    kkarhan,

    @scy @element I KNEW THEY WERE !

    for me to Stick with - instead of , which doesn't bring anything new to the table at all...

    scy,
    @scy@chaos.social avatar

    While there’s absolute radio silence from @element about the topic now (not surprising, they’re simply being very corporate, as usual), there’s been a reaction by the @matrix account, and instead of being like “don’t worry, we won’t let corporate or governmental interests influence Matrix in a negative way”, they’re just being sassy about it.

    Thanks @liaizon for tagging me on this one.

    https://mastodon.matrix.org/@matrix/110334695988903649

    matrix, to random
    @matrix@mastodon.matrix.org avatar

    A new admin API for Synapse, progress on Element X Android, and calls in Quadrix… that, and more happened this week in Matrix!

    https://matrix.org/blog/2023/05/05/this-week-in-matrix-2023-05-05

    vintprox,
    @vintprox@techhub.social avatar

    Excited for Public Archive entering production stage!

    downey, to opensource
    @downey@floss.social avatar

    🚨 🇮🇳 #India banning #OpenSource #Matrix clients like #Element is equivalent to banning your favorite web browser or email client.

    🤯 Can you imagine if Firefox, Chrome, or Thunderbird were banned nationally?

    🔑 Privacy is a human right.

    ➡️ And governments will never stop human rights abuses by denying its citizens' human rights.

    :boost_love: Pass it on.

    https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/centre-blocks-14-apps-in-jammu-and-kashmir-for-spreading-terror/articleshow/99900661.cms

    hywan, to random
    @hywan@fosstodon.org avatar
    zhenboli,

    @hywan I don't know why they're banning this client. is not a vendor-lock-in service, banning would not stop users accessing it. This is different from WhatsApp or others.

    TheVoyageur, to random

    The fact that you see very little presence of the larger cryptocurrency community on the Fediverse shows the actual interest in distributed systems compared to their interest in making money. A large part of the cryptocurrency community are just VCs or wannabe VCs.

    #cryptocurrency #ethereum #bitcoin

    ceresbzns,

    @TheVoyageur
    True

    I think there's a few factors that explain this:

    1. a lot of crypto people don't really carea bout the values, they just want money, like you said
    2. there's like a half dozen blockchains based social media networks fighting for a very small pie at any given time (bluesky, farcaster, lens) and because network effects are what they are, none are winning against big bird
    3. the really hardcore decentralists (like the #monero crowd) vault right past Mastodon to maximally decentralized and encryptable services like #irc and #Matrix
    4. an existing culture in the broader fediverse that's deeply hostile to crypto

    Taken altogether, it makes it seem improbable that we'll see crypto communities congregate in the Fediverse

    boilingsteam, to linux
    @boilingsteam@mastodon.cloud avatar

    India bans Element – the flagship client for the Matrix network: https://element.io/blog/india-bans-flagship-client-for-the-matrix-network/

    kde, to fediverse
    @kde@floss.social avatar
    ceresbzns, to random

    Who's got suggestions for a good home server?

    ainmosni, to random
    @ainmosni@berlin.social avatar

    People say that having a easier, but when I first tried , I joined their default instance, and the cesspool that was the default instance made me not want to use matrix for months after.

    Seems the same thing is happening with .social... Maybe just have a simple wizard to assign people their first instance instead.

    asahi95, to random

    I wish #Cinny #Matrix was available on #Android natively

    stefan, to fediverse
    @stefan@stefanbohacek.online avatar

    I know this will lead to a heated debate, but I have to agree with @Gargron.

    Having to pick an instance/server is cited as the biggest hurdle to joining Mastodon, and dismissing people who feel this way is just plain rude.

    Yes, the registration flow for Mastodon should be user-friendly. And yes, we need to live up to the promises of decentralized social media. We just need to get creative about our approach.

    https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/05/a-new-onboarding-experience-on-mastodon/

    eighthave,

    @stefan @Gargron I've worked on #decentralized systems for many years now, including #XMPP clients, #Matrix, #Tor, and @fdroidorg and I think the new #Mastodon client onboarding experience is a good idea. But it also means there is a new slippery slope towards centralization, and it needs to be heeded and monitored to make sure it doesn't do more harm than good. The good news is that there are multiple, good clients, so that helps quite a bit.

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