mykhaylo, to privacy
@mykhaylo@fosstodon.org avatar

A few words about the new Microsoft Recall busting feature. People on Mastodon probably know about it already, but still — WTF? Just store everything in a local database that seems to be insecure even before release?

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mykhaylo,
@mykhaylo@fosstodon.org avatar
irfan, to windows

' upcoming feature is enabled by default btw in the OOBE setup and CANNOT be disabled directly - you will need to disable it in the Settings app instead, afterwards.

I don't know if you'd trust to actually respect that setting either, wouldn't be the first and only setting on Windows that doesn't actually do anything you'd want it to (or not to) do.

OH and also - Microsoft stores all the Recall data in an database in plaintext, so you KNOW it's secure and definitely not easy to steal away from you by anyone that gains physical or remote access to your device <3

🔗 https://x.com/tomwarren/status/1796681578984182066

🔗 https://x.com/GossiTheDog/status/1796218726808748367

soheb, to microsoft
@soheb@pkutalk.com avatar

I'm finally caught up on the Microsoft Recall feature coming to Windows 11, and my very first question is who even wants this?

Who has sat there and went "oh yeah, I forgot what I was doing 5 mins ago on my pc and I absolutely cannot spend a few mins thinking about it or pressing the back button to remember" ???

pcublogue,
@pcublogue@pkutalk.com avatar

@soheb Are you at least able to disable it?

soheb,
@soheb@pkutalk.com avatar

@pcublogue apparently it's enabled by default, you have to disable it afterwards

TheLastOfHisName, to linux
@TheLastOfHisName@sharkey.world avatar

I see posts calling for folks to write/email/call/smoke signal/wire/semaphore their representatives about the security fuckery of Windows Recall.

I'm more of an "act locally" guy. Email your place of employment's heads of legal and IT stating your concerns, and send them this article. Hell, throw in your local schoolboards and universities to boot.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/6/3/24170305/microsoft-windows-recall-ai-screenshots-security-privacy-issues

zdl,
@zdl@mastodon.online avatar

@TheLastOfHisName Make it clear to them that Windows Recall opens them to legal risks. That's what most such places fear more than privacy risks.

alternativeto, to microsoft
@alternativeto@mas.to avatar

Microsoft has patched bypasses for setting up Windows 11 without a Microsoft account. Previous methods like terminating a process or using a blocked email now loop back to account linking. Users can still bypass this via a command prompt trick.
https://alternativeto.net/news/2024/6/microsoft-blocks-new-workarounds-for-creating-local-accounts-in-windows-11-setup/

kopio,
Theeo123, to windows
@Theeo123@mastodon.social avatar

https://www.wired.com/story/total-recall-windows-recall-ai/

Well, that didn't take long...

There is now an automated tool for hackers to extract all data collected by windows recall.

reay,
@reay@mastodon.social avatar

@FirewallDragons @Theeo123 To be fair, it was a bit of a layup, no?

My cursory understanding of Recall is that it’ll screenshot passwords and banking info along with everything else. 🤷‍♂️

Theeo123,
@Theeo123@mastodon.social avatar

@reay @FirewallDragons

as mentioned earlier, all stored in plain-text....

So not a super-feat of programming by any stretch but still laughably bad.

itsfoss, to microsoft
@itsfoss@mastodon.social avatar

Window's AI-powered Recall feature is an absolute train wreck.

https://news.itsfoss.com/microsofts-recall-ai-insecure/

Johns_priv,
@Johns_priv@mastodon.social avatar

@itsfoss From the article: "That is where the problem lies, Microsoft is banking on the encryption already present on a user's device, and is of the belief that a malicious actor would need physical access to a user's device to compromise Recall data."

So, if you livewithan abuser you better not try to browse the net for help, you're fucked.
What the actual fuck Microsoft, what the actual fuck.

eugenialoli, to windows
@eugenialoli@mastodon.social avatar

The mass exodus from to (and ) due to and continues. More and more articles, more and more youtube videos about it, or posts on forums. People are switching. If it continues like that, Linux should have 10% desktop marketshare by the end of the decade (and yes, that's a lot).

eugenialoli,
@eugenialoli@mastodon.social avatar

@timonsku There's the actual statcounter source, however what I'm reporting here is an obvious trend that is visible if you search a bit on youtube, reddit, on various forums. The amounts of users switching has increased, and it has kind of taken a world of its own since last week, after MS' AI announcement.

alper,
@alper@rls.social avatar

@eugenialoli Thank the AI boosters and ask them to boost more.

sebsauvage, to microsoft French
@sebsauvage@framapiaf.org avatar


Microsoft ne vous aime pas : Il vient de bloquer la possibilité de créer un compte local dans Windows 11.
https://www.pcworld.com/article/2354686/microsoft-blocks-windows-11-workaround-local-accounts.html

duboisp,

@TritTriton @sebsauvage
après 30 ans de métier, je pense savoir passer un compte en compte administrateur 🙂

TritTriton,
@TritTriton@shelter.moe avatar

@duboisp Alors, on va dire que mon message s’adressait aussi aux autres qui pourraient lire ce fil et qui n’y penseraient pas forcément spontanément…

SparkIT, to linux Italian

Sempre nell'ottica di voler passare a linux, anche se chissà quando, mi domando: come siamo messi con la questione antivirus, firewall?

Recentemente ho letto diversi messaggi che sollevavano la questione dicendo che più persone passeranno a linux e più questo diverrà suscettibile di attacchi e che al momento non ci sono ancora strumenti di protezione adeguati.

Al netto delle questioni su Recall/Copilot, che ne pensate di queste critiche?

GustavinoBevilacqua,
@GustavinoBevilacqua@mastodon.cisti.org avatar

@SparkIT

Anni fa configurai una macchina per un albergo in modo tipo kiosk, con FVWM e DUE bottoni sul desktop, "INTERNET" e "ESCI".

La macchina era aperta sul web perché serviva la cam dell'hotel.

Il proprietario dell'hotel, a fronte delle lamentele dei clienti che le pw erano troppo difficili, cercò istruzioni in rete per creare l'utente "ospite" con pw "ospite".

Poi si lamentò che gli avevano bucato la macchina.

twisterrm,
@twisterrm@puntarella.party avatar

@SparkIT A livello firewall credo che iptables esista da quando è nato GNU/Linux :D
Comunque iptables, firewalld, ufw (questi ultimi una sorta di frontend semplificati di iptables), come antivirus da secoli c'è ClamAV, chkrootkit, rkhunter, maldet. Di tool ce ne sono, virus nel senso canonico del termine per GNU/Linux al momento son pochi e i tool che ci sono bastano e avanzano per essere abbastanza tranquilli, intrinsecamente Gnu/Linux è più difficilmente attaccabile, il problema di per se è sempre l'utente che lo utilizza. Poi c'è sempre l'assunto che l'unico computer sicuro è quello spento, staccato dalla corrente, messo in una cassaforte e sepolto sotto 30 mt di terra in un fondale sottomarino.

kev, to microsoft
@kev@fosstodon.org avatar

Why does STILL not have tabs in the file explorer???

asier,
@asier@fosstodon.org avatar

@kev just in case there was any doubt and knowing you are on W10, in W11 there are tabs

benjaminradio,
@benjaminradio@fosstodon.org avatar

@kev They did for Win11, and it’s still trash. The tabs in Microsoft Edge function better than in the file browser.

It’s mind blowing.

dekazeta, to ai Spanish
@dekazeta@masto.es avatar
irfan, to macos

Bonkers how you can't 3 finger tap an item/link to open it in a new tab on like you could on (and , probably). forums I was looking into this on all starts with a simple, civilised question and quickly drags into a messy garbage of Apple extremists saying you're stupid for wanting that simple way of opening stuffs in a new tab when you can just either 1) Cmd + Click, 2) 2 finger tap + Open new tab, or 3) Get a mouse - as if those are the same things, when the answer should've been really, "you couldn't".

irfan,

@adamsdesk I'm on Ventura still and holding off on updating to Sonoma since I've seen quite frequent reports on here of things I need being broken on Sonoma, but seems like a good option when I do upgrade. Thank you!

adamsdesk,
@adamsdesk@fosstodon.org avatar

@irfan oh okay. You're welcome.

SomeGadgetGuy, to windows
@SomeGadgetGuy@techhub.social avatar

It just clicked in my brain. What I haven't been able to articulate about why I'm so anxious about Recall. I'm sure others have already gotten to where I am.

It's worse than "a system that tracks everything you do" and stores that info in a basic database that could be easily compromised.
It's worse than a nanny surveillance tool for companies to spy on their employees.

It's inescapable.

It doesn't matter if I make a dozen "how to disable recall" tutorials. The second YOUR data shows up on someone ELSE'S screen, it's in THEIR recall database.

It won't matter if you're a master expert specialist. You can't account for EVERY other computer you've ever interacted with. If a family member looks up an old email with your personal data in it, your data is now at risk.

If THEIR system is compromised YOUR data is at risk.

I just went from "vague feeling of unease" to "actively writing templates to canvas elected officials, regulators, and attorneys general."

CliftonR,
@CliftonR@wandering.shop avatar

@droidboy @SomeGadgetGuy

It's already been demonstrated that it's vulnerable. Read Kevin Beaumont's articles on it.

Microsoft is relying on people not having the knowledge or background to verify what it's telling the public.

wizzwizz4,
@wizzwizz4@fosstodon.org avatar
JetlagJen, to windows
@JetlagJen@geekdom.social avatar

First time using freshly installed , installing a few bits like an OK browser and some games. Password typed at least 20 times. Three reboots. Settings accessed four times. Seven meaningless notifications dismissed (plus more in launchers like Epic and Steam). The only thing installed via the Microsoft Store throws a system error instead of loading, and there's no "uninstall" button in the store.

But do please tell me more about how difficult is.

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